themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, aggressive minor said: Rooney’s poor tournaments had injury, suspension or poor form leading up to them, or forcing him into CM. Kane has had one of his best seasons. I mean clearly not dropping him was correct …. In hindsight yes. He was dreadful at the time. And to say people are fickle for pointing this out is ridiculous imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, themadsheep2001 said: In hindsight yes. He was dreadful at the time. And to say people are fickle for pointing this out is ridiculous imo Thank god Southgate wasn't fickle! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, aggressive minor said: Thank god Southgate wasn't fickle! Thank god he got a bit of luck with the decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 If we were ever going to win or even do well in this tournament we were going to need Kane to turn up. Dropping him would’ve been justified based on his individual performances, but not if you wanted to actually do well in the tournament. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: Thank god he got a bit of luck with the decision Southgate is very loyal to his players, that isn't luck. An awful lot of people wanted Sterling dropped as well, how did that turn out? Not luck if his loyalty is often rewarded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, aggressive minor said: Southgate is very loyal to his players, that isn't luck. An awful lot of people wanted Sterling dropped as well, how did that turn out? Not luck if his loyalty is often rewarded. Can't even compare Sterling and Kane's performances this tournament. Sterling has been head and shoulders above him, and everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: Can't even compare Sterling and Kane's performances this tournament. Sterling has been head and shoulders above him, and everyone else. That wasn't the point themadsheep2001. The point was staying loyal to Sterling despite many fans demanding he be dropped, paid off. Staying loyal to Kane despite many fans demanding he be dropped, paid off. Kane was immense in the SF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: Thank god he got a bit of luck with the decision It's not lucky to back a world class player 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, ajw10 said: It's not lucky to back a world class player It is when said player isn't showing any of that forum, faith and luck. Thankfully it paid off. If it hadn't I very much doubt people would be saying the same things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: It is when said player isn't showing any of that forum, faith and luck. Thankfully it paid off. If it hadn't I very much doubt people would be saying the same things Of course they wouldn't say the same things. But that's football. We're also talking of a small sample size of games. If Kane has had a poor finish to the season, fair enough. But a world class player coming of a brilliant season, then having a few bad games, isn't enough to drop him. Then who would have replaced him? DLC would have been a huge drop off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, aggressive minor said: Of course they wouldn't say the same things. But that's football. We're also talking of a small sample size of games. If Kane has had a poor finish to the season, fair enough. But a world class player coming of a brilliant season, then having a few bad games, isn't enough to drop him. Then who would have replaced him? DLC would have been a huge drop off. You only have a few games in tournament football. It's completely different to a qualifying campaign or a league campaign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: You only have a few games in tournament football. It's completely different to a qualifying campaign or a league campaign. That's obvious. But you back your top players to deliver when it gets to the big games. Who honestly would have you have picked instead of Kane? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Kane has also shown time and time again that he ends poor runs of form with brilliant goal scoring runs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) Plenty of examples of strikers in poor form in a major tournament, or leading up to it, then producing later. Shearer going into Euro 96, Paulo Rossi was awful in the 1982 group games, didn't Lineker have a poor start to the 1986 world cup? Again you back your big players. Kane's relationship with Southgate must be really strong now with the faith Southgate showed in him, to the extent of not even putting DLC on the bench when fans were wanting Kane dropped. That's smart management and faith in your best players. Edited July 10, 2021 by aggressive minor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, aggressive minor said: Kane has also shown time and time again that he ends poor runs of form with brilliant goal scoring runs. Kane didn't look anything like doing it at the time. Wasn't like he was getting shots at goal and not scoring, or looking even vaguely dangerous. He barely looked like a player. Even his imperious dropping deep didn't exist. We had faith and got lucky with that decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, themadsheep2001 said: Kane didn't look anything doing it at the time. We had faith and got lucky with that faith Trying to avoid the cliche, but you make your luck. The better management decisions lead to more 'luck'. As long as Kane was fit, the chances of him catching form eventually were always pretty good. Again, who would you have dropped Kane for? Edited July 10, 2021 by aggressive minor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, aggressive minor said: Trying to avoid the cliche, but you make your luck. The better management decisions lead to more 'luck'. Again, who would you have dropped Kane for? Rashford, said it at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, aggressive minor said: Trying to avoid the cliche, but you make your luck. The better management decisions lead to more 'luck'. As long as Kane was fit, the chances of him catching form eventually were always pretty good. Again, who would you have dropped Kane for? So we got lucky with that. Which is what I said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: Rashford, said it at the time. Rashford? I like the guy (who doesn't), but he hasn't looked as good since his back injury last year, carrying an injury now too. He's a very good player, but Kane is in a different league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: So we got lucky with that. Which is what I said. You make it sound like a lucky roll of the dice at a casino. There's skill and intelligence involved in Southgate sticking with Kane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, aggressive minor said: Rashford? I like the guy (who doesn't), but he hasn't looked as good since his back injury last year, carrying an injury now too. He's a very good player, but Kane is in a different league. Kane when he's on form yes. The Kane that turned up at the group stages wasn't even close. Again he didn't look like any kind of threat on or off the ball, near goal or dropping deep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: Kane when he's on form yes. The Kane that turned up at the group stages wasn't even close. Again he didn't look like any kind of threat But then a world class player turned up in the knockouts........ ! Rashford at this stage in his career, with his injury issue, could never have produced that level of performance Kane did against Denmark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Would you have dropped Lineker, Rossi and Shearer too? Was that luck too they got going? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, aggressive minor said: But then a world class player turned up in the knockouts........ ! Rashford at this stage in his career, with his injury issue, could never have produced that level of performance Kane did against Denmark. Yeah, like I said we got lucky, because he objectively didn't look like that was coming. I'm delighted he did. But there was absolutely nothing in those 3 performances that suggested he would come good. Not a threat on or off the ball, near goal or dropping deep. That's my view, feel free to disagree because I stand by it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: Yeah, like I said we got lucky, because he objectively didn't look like that was coming. I'm delighted he did. But there was absolutely nothing in those 3 performances that suggested he would come good. Not a threat on or off the ball, near goal or dropping deep. That's my view, feel free to disagree because I stand by it Again, you make it sound like the luck you get in a casino. Southgate's move to keep playing Kane was a calculated move based on many factors mentioned already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 I wonder how many England fans have:# 1) called for Southgate to go? 2) called for Sterling to be dropped? 3) called for Kane to be dropped? Probably quite a few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Can we talk more about how missing a penalty and getting a lucky rebound was the work of a world class striker? He had a decent game, and the pass to Saka that led to the equalizer was very nice, but it's not like he was anywhere near the best man on the pitch. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Was a world class one two IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Amazing Dale Watkins said: Can we talk more about how missing a penalty and getting a lucky rebound was the work of a world class striker? He had a decent game, and the pass to Saka that led to the equalizer was very nice, but it's not like he was anywhere near the best man on the pitch. Oh dear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 6 hours ago, The Amazing Dale Watkins said: Can we talk more about how missing a penalty and getting a lucky rebound was the work of a world class striker? He had a decent game, and the pass to Saka that led to the equalizer was very nice, but it's not like he was anywhere near the best man on the pitch. I thought he made quite a few weird decisions on the ball in that game. And I'm not a Kane hater. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 41 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: I thought he made quite a few weird decisions on the ball in that game. And I'm not a Kane hater. He was solid, would give him 7/10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_e Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 9 hours ago, aggressive minor said: I wonder how many England fans have:# 1) called for Southgate to go? 2) called for Sterling to be dropped? 3) called for Kane to be dropped? Probably quite a few. Wonder how many people would have been clamouring for Hurst (2 international goals and less than 10 caps) to be dropped in favour of Greaves (43 goals and England’s record scorer) in 1966 given there were no subs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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