gpassosbh Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Cleon said: So I have a little update. I've been busy writing the past few days and have a great amount of content finished so far. The downside is, I still need to do lots more and I don't really have an order for the content yet. I'm still not sure when it'll be posted but I am slogging away. To give you an idea here is some of the stuff I've done so far. Some of the names will be familiar but it's all new/updated stuff for FM22 and beyond with new images and so forth. I still have lots more to add. But to give you an idea of the sheer scale of this project, it's probably the most ambitious thing I've done. I actually still don't know how to distribute/showcase the content either. Maybe it would be best served as a free ebook/PDF perhaps. Looking forward for "The Art of...." series... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyrefc Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 good too see ya buddy , ive not been so active past couple years , still been getting my fix of FM though , im getting nostalgic visual flashbacks of sheffield united examples and santos ones also lol , look forward to it ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpassosbh Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Cleon said: So I have a little update. I've been busy writing the past few days and have a great amount of content finished so far. The downside is, I still need to do lots more and I don't really have an order for the content yet. I'm still not sure when it'll be posted but I am slogging away. To give you an idea here is some of the stuff I've done so far. Some of the names will be familiar but it's all new/updated stuff for FM22 and beyond with new images and so forth. I still have lots more to add. But to give you an idea of the sheer scale of this project, it's probably the most ambitious thing I've done. I actually still don't know how to distribute/showcase the content either. Maybe it would be best served as a free ebook/PDF perhaps. Cleon, do you still have the old "The art of... " series to share?? My idea in FM22 will be setup 3 tactics based on it.. One for counter, one for attacking and one for possession... Thanks for returning to forums... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cleon Posted October 25, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2021 30 minutes ago, gpassosbh said: Cleon, do you still have the old "The art of... " series to share?? My idea in FM22 will be setup 3 tactics based on it.. One for counter, one for attacking and one for possession... Thanks for returning to forums... I do yeah. The Art of Counter Attacking - https://docs.google.com/document/d/12MLuV4T-0ljqhFSVvgq0wLiMIEjGxgskJqQfLTYEkSw/edit?usp=sharing The Art of Attacking Football PT 1 - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BwgwGy9G3FxPuXDioxj0A79hevoxN5lmAtdIkAdUx2Y/edit?usp=sharing The Art of Attacking Football PT 2 - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tEHuWFko6OOwBK3S19Cc9CTqOFVM30tNfTkLNvYjh9c/edit?usp=sharing The Art of Attacking Football PT 3 - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VLMrhcqKim3zmywXZMY4nn3KUV_l5S6GQlWIgaZPRM0/edit?usp=sharing The Art of Attacking Football PT 4 - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ndblRIuKKZ506xfrGuXMzvv-8rvZC_SpDvrZ35bSUMw/edit?usp=sharing The Art of Defensive Football - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D_IiCkAgdZbUADAreSqd_mW7oKLyV6CToyy5q2NpKgQ/edit?usp=sharing Those are the ones I have on hand 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpassosbh Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Cleon said: I do yeah. The Art of Counter Attacking - https://docs.google.com/document/d/12MLuV4T-0ljqhFSVvgq0wLiMIEjGxgskJqQfLTYEkSw/edit?usp=sharing The Art of Attacking Football PT 1 - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BwgwGy9G3FxPuXDioxj0A79hevoxN5lmAtdIkAdUx2Y/edit?usp=sharing The Art of Attacking Football PT 2 - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tEHuWFko6OOwBK3S19Cc9CTqOFVM30tNfTkLNvYjh9c/edit?usp=sharing The Art of Attacking Football PT 3 - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VLMrhcqKim3zmywXZMY4nn3KUV_l5S6GQlWIgaZPRM0/edit?usp=sharing The Art of Attacking Football PT 4 - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ndblRIuKKZ506xfrGuXMzvv-8rvZC_SpDvrZ35bSUMw/edit?usp=sharing The Art of Defensive Football - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D_IiCkAgdZbUADAreSqd_mW7oKLyV6CToyy5q2NpKgQ/edit?usp=sharing Those are the ones I have on hand Thanks a lot.. That's really great to have this back. I'll try to revert for FM22. As you are bringing back your stuff, do you still have yours Arsenal Invincibles interpretation to share? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, gpassosbh said: Thanks a lot.. That's really great to have this back. I'll try to revert for FM22. As you are bringing back your stuff, do you still have yours Arsenal Invincibles interpretation to share? All 10 chapters can be found here; https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2EXFGu1SfcqbzV4RXdZMVlCeFE?resourcekey=0-VbAA20Mr9AjQ6cr-IcazHw&usp=sharing 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Excellent stuff as always @Cleon I'm looking forward to this. I particularly want to have a crack at a 3ATB system this year, hopefully I can pull it off with my limited ability. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewire147 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 This looks absolutely brilliant! Really looking forward to seeing where this goes. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 I'll be keeping an eye out for this @Cleon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cleon Posted November 4, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2021 Okay so, I've thought about this long and hard in what is the best way to present this project and I've come to the conclusion it has to be some kind of book(s). Obviously they will be free. But I can't think of any other way that will show the full body of work and present it in the way intended that will do it justice. So this move makes sense. Another thing is, I will be talking about many formations throughout, if you are old enough to remember the old Tactical Theorems and Frameworks that used to exist, there will be sections like that on popular modern/old/classic formations. But for everything else there will be two main formations that I talk about and both of them are created differently. By that I mean with one I'll be doing a recreation of a manager (Chris Wilder) and trying to replicate his style of play. The other is one that I created to suit the players of a small club I will be managing in the Icelandic second tier (already started on beta) Íþróttafélagið Þór. The shapes can be seen below; The idea behind this Blades one is to recreate Wilder like I mentioned above. These are only the starting roles and settings but the image is just to give you an idea of what I'll be talking about. And this one created for a specific purpose. You probably notice a few stand out things from both formations, mainly the low ling of defence and engagement for both. This will become clear why when the books are released. But the Blades one is because Sheffield United didn't press in the oppositions half. This only happened once a side reached our final third. Rest of the time we were happy for teams to have possession and come onto us, it allowed us to break quickly. I also wanted to write about non aggressive instructions because every single thread I pop into on here or elsewhere, it's always the same thing. High pressing, gegenpressing, high line, high LOE etc. I wanted to show variance and show how you can create tactics without any of that and still dominate and be successful. These formations and settings also allow me to cover attacking football, defensive football, counter attacking football and everything else in-between by one simple change. So I can update the very popular Art Of - Series that I did. I still can't put a date or time on when this will be complete as I'm sure you can appreciate, it's an awful amount of work for one person. Even when a lot of it is already finished. But I just wanted to share where I'm at and the main focuses for now just so you know this is still happening. 34 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcufrog Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Excellent preface @Cleon and really appreciate your work. I was waiting for you to finish this series so I can read before starting my 1860 Munchen save. You had mentioned you hoped to release some of the content around the release of FM22. I know you don’t have a set date, but do you expect to release some content in the next few days/weeks, or do you expect this project to take months? Really appreciate all you do for the community, and look forward to reading your excellent content. Also really like how you’re going against the grain with the opposite gegenpress styles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Tcufrog said: Excellent preface @Cleon and really appreciate your work. I was waiting for you to finish this series so I can read before starting my 1860 Munchen save. You had mentioned you hoped to release some of the content around the release of FM22. I know you don’t have a set date, but do you expect to release some content in the next few days/weeks, or do you expect this project to take months? Really appreciate all you do for the community, and look forward to reading your excellent content. Also really like how you’re going against the grain with the opposite gegenpress styles. Ah sorry if I gave the impression I would be releasing content. I was more saying I would be releasing snippets, so things like the above. Honestly I'd not wait for this as I'd be shocked if it was out for Xmas. It's not only writing I have to do but also play the game and get far in so I can show how to develop and evolve stuff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcufrog Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Cleon said: Ah sorry if I gave the impression I would be releasing content. I was more saying I would be releasing snippets, so things like the above. Honestly I'd not wait for this as I'd be shocked if it was out for Xmas. It's not only writing I have to do but also play the game and get far in so I can show how to develop and evolve stuff All good kind sir, really appreciate everything you do! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpassosbh Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Hello @Cleon, Do you also have the Art of Possession article to share? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braumiller Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I would LOVE to read so much more on a non 'attack attack attack, press, press, press' approach! All that has been on these forums for 3-4 years is basically the same regurgitation of the this singular approach. As someone who always plays smaller clubs, this would be a much needed breath of fresh air. Your post above with the narrow diamond screenshot alone has already helped kick off new thoughts and ideas and I look forward to reading more about this approach! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the SLC Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 @Cleon do you still have the what makes a goalscorer write up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 06/11/2021 at 14:53, gpassosbh said: Hello @Cleon, Do you also have the Art of Possession article to share? Thanks Somewhere but I can't find it atm. I've just looked. 6 minutes ago, the SLC said: @Cleon do you still have the what makes a goalscorer write up? Still the same answer as the last time sadly. I have it but not sure where. The only version I can find is the one without images iirc, which is here; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m6oVP8RcjKGNtzpwYcIySTHEVyFqzRbAYqPzWMt44Eg/edit?usp=sharing 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the SLC Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Cleon said: Somewhere but I can't find it atm. I've just looked. Still the same answer as the last time sadly. I have it but not sure where. The only version I can find is the one without images iirc, which is here; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m6oVP8RcjKGNtzpwYcIySTHEVyFqzRbAYqPzWMt44Eg/edit?usp=sharing sorry i didnt realise it had already been asked. appreciate the document posted. thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, the SLC said: sorry i didnt realise it had already been asked. appreciate the document posted. thank you You DM'd me about it No worries though. It annoys me that I know its on my drive(S) and I can't find it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the SLC Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Omg I did!!! I remember now. I shall blame it on my age. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretcheddie Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Sorry I’m late to the party. I loved the “Arts” series of articles, the art of attacking football being a particular favourite. I’d love to see the arts series updated for FM22. Really glad to have you back, you write beautifully. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyFM87 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Hi @Cleon. I have been using the art of counter attacking tactic with Manchester United. I'm curious about the tactic mentality, because of course 'counter' isn't an option within mentality anymore in Fm22. Do you think i should play on 'balanced' with 'counter' ticked in transition? Or simply play on 'cautious' mentality? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 41 minutes ago, DannyFM87 said: Hi @Cleon. I have been using the art of counter attacking tactic with Manchester United. I'm curious about the tactic mentality, because of course 'counter' isn't an option within mentality anymore in Fm22. Do you think i should play on 'balanced' with 'counter' ticked in transition? Or simply play on 'cautious' mentality? Either method should be fine. It just depends on the type of counters you want and what you see happening in game. Cautious is just the old counter though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonko Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 @Cleon Do you plan on covering possession style for FM22? And how much of the old The Art of Possession is still applicable in your opinion in FM22? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, yonko said: @Cleon Do you plan on covering possession style for FM22? And how much of the old The Art of Possession is still applicable in your opinion in FM22? It's all still applicable now. But it'll all be a full rewrite when I release the book(s) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loisvale Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 @Cleoni have used a 3 at the back vertical tika strikerless tactic for a while and I’m sure have seen you say somewhere that it is one of your favourite set ups (might be wrong). Will you be covering this type of formation in the book. Would be very interested to see your approach with that type of system. Looking forward to seeing the book when it comes out. Thanks for the effort you put in as always. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 6 hours ago, loisvale said: @Cleoni have used a 3 at the back vertical tika strikerless tactic for a while and I’m sure have seen you say somewhere that it is one of your favourite set ups (might be wrong). Will you be covering this type of formation in the book. Would be very interested to see your approach with that type of system. Looking forward to seeing the book when it comes out. Thanks for the effort you put in as always. Strikerless? Nah doubt I'll cover that. It's not something I tend to ever use. I know that some people love strikerless but its not for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilpoarm Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I would be interested about 3421 system which you have writed in the past, but images arent available. Do you @Cleon still have fm16 Santos experience available on drive? I would also like to see More 3 at The back systems. Im struggling either with the wide play when using 3421 or 3412 or protecting The centre when playing 3-2-2-21/343. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Ilpoarm said: I would be interested about 3421 system which you have writed in the past, but images arent available. Do you @Cleon still have fm16 Santos experience available on drive? I would also like to see More 3 at The back systems. Im struggling either with the wide play when using 3421 or 3412 or protecting The centre when playing 3-2-2-21/343. This one? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-9MrB7flAwTv2Zt7RPeD8hY7QgCWxduWjOiow6YFX1M/edit?usp=sharing Also lots of 343 stuff in this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loisvale Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 On 13/11/2021 at 06:48, Cleon said: Strikerless? Nah doubt I'll cover that. It's not something I tend to ever use. I know that some people love strikerless but its not for me. Fair enough. I learnt so much from your forged in steel series. Was a total game changer for me in understanding roles, having different types of players to change games, developing players into roles to fit system etc. Belated thanks for that. Looking forward to seeing your Chris Wilder replication with the new WCB role in your upcoming guide. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1petrsuhin3 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) Hello, do you know will you complete and release this project or not? (Maybe in the title) but my problem is which i would like to be covered is how do i place every player effectively on the pitch so that i have good passing options always and not them being most of the time close to each other. But also keeping in mind defensive stability and attacking penetration. btw who is your favorite boxer from active ones? Edited November 14, 2021 by 1petrsuhin3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aoyao Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Great to see you writing again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 13 hours ago, loisvale said: Fair enough. I learnt so much from your forged in steel series. Was a total game changer for me in understanding roles, having different types of players to change games, developing players into roles to fit system etc. Belated thanks for that. Looking forward to seeing your Chris Wilder replication with the new WCB role in your upcoming guide. Cheers. All the principles will still apply to strikerless tactics so should still be helpful for you 8 hours ago, 1petrsuhin3 said: Hello, do you know will you complete and release this project or not? (Maybe in the title) but my problem is which i would like to be covered is how do i place every player effectively on the pitch so that i have good passing options always and not them being most of the time close to each other. But also keeping in mind defensive stability and attacking penetration. btw who is your favorite boxer from active ones? I have far too many favourite boxers to mention. I see you've done your research on me though In answer to your question though you might find this helpful; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YKw1k6SPC2ue20Ed_x8hQmBjxgGJPxNaHxqMdO0OiIs/edit?usp=sharing 3 hours ago, Aoyao said: Great to see you writing again! Thank you kindly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post themadsheep2001 Posted November 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2021 Cleon AND Rashidid both releasing books? People don't know how lucky they have it. 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refax Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Hi Cleon, you still got the art of possession doc, just for the pics so I can Analyse how you analyze the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 57 minutes ago, Refax said: Hi Cleon, you still got the art of possession doc, just for the pics so I can Analyse how you analyze the game. I answered this slightly further up this page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 22 hours ago, themadsheep2001 said: Cleon AND Rashidid both releasing books? People don't know how lucky they have it. Can you imagine them going head-to-head in an online game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anteater Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 In a prior post Cleon wrote "I also wanted to write about non aggressive instructions because every single thread I pop into on here or elsewhere, it's always the same thing. High pressing, gegenpressing, high line, high LOE etc. I wanted to show variance and show how you can create tactics without any of that and still dominate and be successful. ". I had been using high intensity tactics for quite a while out of fear that my results would collapse if I did anything different, especially a lower defensive line/line of engagement, so I gave his tips a try. And of course it has been working out great. Glad to have you back Cleon! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostofPaulLambert Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Anteater said: In a prior post Cleon wrote "I also wanted to write about non aggressive instructions because every single thread I pop into on here or elsewhere, it's always the same thing. High pressing, gegenpressing, high line, high LOE etc. I wanted to show variance and show how you can create tactics without any of that and still dominate and be successful. ". I had been using high intensity tactics for quite a while out of fear that my results would collapse if I did anything different, especially a lower defensive line/line of engagement, so I gave his tips a try. And of course it has been working out great. Glad to have you back Cleon! I'm also delighted to see this. I've been having some success with "close down less" this version, though I just tried the lower / much lower line combo away against UTd and they had 41 shots 😃 As always I know it won't just work in isolation, it has to be part of a joined up tactic. Which is why I'm so excited to see the book (s) when Cleon has finished scribbling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1petrsuhin3 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Is it just me or do iw's still act like a normal winger? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
engamohd Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Oooh the legend is back! Nice to see you back @Cleon! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taipan Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Yes indeed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herolover Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 For me, what is really needed is an in depth study of each position-role-duty with examples of movement on pitch in defense-transition-attack. My thought is that with this a person could see how they each work together to make a tactic. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) Awesome to see that you are doing this, but btw, disagree that it should be free, you should charge something (or ask donations/patreon) for this huge task so the community can give you something back for it (at least make it optional). Maybe it can also be a self published e-book that many of us would buy, I think it's quite easy through amazon but I have zero experience on it. Edited January 3, 2022 by Icy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 17 hours ago, Icy said: Awesome to see that you are doing this, but btw, disagree that it should be free, you should charge something (or ask donations/patreon) for this huge task so the community can give you something back for it (at least make it optional). Maybe it can also be a self published e-book that many of us would buy, I think it's quite easy through amazon but I have zero experience on it. I can ask for donations but not allowed to make it a physical copy/e-book and charge if I use FM content inside the book like screenshots etc. SI already put stop to a book I was doing a few years back for the same reason. It was one of the number of reasons why I stopped content creating in the first place. I wasn't doing it to make money, the books would have been sold for cost value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 27 minutes ago, Cleon said: I can ask for donations but not allowed to make it a physical copy/e-book and charge if I use FM content inside the book like screenshots etc. SI already put stop to a book I was doing a few years back for the same reason. It was one of the number of reasons why I stopped content creating in the first place. I wasn't doing it to make money, the books would have been sold for cost value. I can, to an extent, see why SI stopped the book, but at the same time, so many content creators on this site don't get anywhere near the recognition that they deserve and would be fair to have an option for donations. Creators like yourself use your own time to give in depth and detailed guides to other players, experienced or otherwise. You don't have to, but I for one, really appreciate it and I'm sure many others do too. I've learned a lot from your guides and it's great to see you back on here again. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhakshit02 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Everything is fine but how does one actually download this new book? 😅 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, singhakshit02 said: Everything is fine but how does one actually download this new book? 😅 It's not out yet. He is working on it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feddo Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 On 04/01/2022 at 10:04, Cleon said: I can ask for donations but not allowed to make it a physical copy/e-book and charge if I use FM content inside the book like screenshots etc. If you would give me the option for a donation I would definitely do that. And if you would put a number up there that you would like to charge if you where selling it I would pay that happily. And I don't think I'm the only one 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor940 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 @Cleon what are your quick thoughts on hold shape? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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