FM 22- Tottenham- The Painful Rebuild.

[Sophos]

14 hours ago, plcarlos said:

What Tactics are you trying? Who did you Sell\Sign? It's a challenge this season, Despit my results, there is some luck in there + a tried and trusted Tactic that work in FM21 with simple instructions. Uderstanding how it all goes together makes it easier to unpick if\when it goes wrong

I tried a gegenpressing 4-2-3-1, a counter-attacking 3-5-2, and a possession 4-3-3. None of them did well. Have since tried an Atalanta-based 3-4-1-2 and that was okay going forward but couldn't defend at all. The 4-2-3-1 got me top six with Newcastle, the 3-5-2 broke records with Inter, and the 4-3-3 got me top four with Spurs last year. So I know they're not **** tactics. 

No signings, I turn off the first transfer window normally. 

[plcarlos]

19 minutes ago, Sophos said:

I tried a gegenpressing 4-2-3-1, a counter-attacking 3-5-2, and a possession 4-3-3. None of them did well. Have since tried an Atalanta-based 3-4-1-2 and that was okay going forward but couldn't defend at all. The 4-2-3-1 got me top six with Newcastle, the 3-5-2 broke records with Inter, and the 4-3-3 got me top four with Spurs last year. So I know they're not **** tactics. 

No signings, I turn off the first transfer window normally. 

GenGen Pressing has been toned down in this version but to Stamina and Natural Fitness. Squad rotation would not have helped, and the overall Mentals of the squad would be of concern - Dier's Mobility\Pace, Sanchez's Concentration, Davies' Lack of Pace in a High Intensity Tactic would be a potential issue, a Declining Keeper,

Stamina\Natural fitness has a BIG part in this version. In fact I've used it against teams to get an advantage.

Countering with Spurs would be difficult as the IF\IW roles don't cut in as they should. We also have a lack of Pace\Acceleration up top (Bar Moura\Son\Gil).

Why don't you post one of the Tacticts? Hard to help if we can't see the tactic, or were they the defaults? (Overkill instcutions to say the least to list a few issues).

My 4-2-3-1 was very diliberately planned for the players I had\singed, and my entire save started as a "Fixing Nuno's 4-2-3-1" plan. It looks like you might be running the tactic overall, vs tweaking it for the team you have.

[plcarlos]

Well well.....

We did the double!

The tactic was tweaked following  a shocking result vs Basel, followed by a trip for some data hub analysis, and tactical observations:

Counter Press + Farily Narrow - Well, the players can split and run like headless chickens due to being far apart, or can shut down passing lanes, and win the ball back higher.

-1 notch on the Trigger press. This is beacuse we have average Fitness and stamina, so we can't run at full pelt.

In the 2nd Game vs Basel we were much better. It's very rewarding to see the changes applied, even if my tactic has broken roles in it (IW\IF's do not cut inside properly)

I need to manage games a bit better, so that will be in-game: Postive to Balanced, and take counter off.

The passing in the squad needs improving as does the vision\decisions\concentration. I place these high up on the attribute list. Need to work out why so many simple passes are missed... Maybe Mentality could be impacting that.

Dele is 13 for passing. That's poor for his role. I may well lok to move him on.

Zagadou is now demanding "important player" from squad player... Well the team are against him on that.

Tanganga had a locked in preferred role of Wide Centre Back. Well we play a back 4, so no. He actually played well if you see the stats\ratings. Kane had a word and the complaint went away.

I summed up my Season 1 Beta Save here:

 

[Dustman2015]

I wound up getting Mbappe on a free pre-contract in January. Didn’t think he would sign. Team feels wildly loaded now…. Unrealistically too soon
 

Feel like I might restart with a clearer tactical vision as I shifted a lot in my save 

[Dustman2015]

Anyone signed Carboni the Italian CB he looks a real steal. 
 

also I’ve taken some inspiration from your 4231; I plan on doing a loosely similar tactic style with my own flair.

[plcarlos]

Updating now...

So the downside of winning the league, is that horrific Club world Cup comp..... No traning, Tired players. Can't use the new signings.. Came 3rd with just rotation. Even played the 2nd string vs PSG and won 3-0 lol!

Pre-season so far:

Davies out - £24M

Sessengon out - 17.5M

Hojbjerg out - £25M

In:

Ouna - £35M

Winjdal - £7M, Listed

Bissouma -£35M

Levy got me Aarons (£79M but only £53k wages).

 

We had a £70M budget, Levy paid off some Debt, and Lloris retired. Golini not renewed. Romero I did, but he's having some shockers. No idea what's goin on with him.

 

[Dustman2015]

3 hours ago, plcarlos said:

Updating now...

So the downside of winning the league, is that horrific Club world Cup comp..... No traning, Tired players. Can't use the new signings.. Came 3rd with just rotation. Even played the 2nd string vs PSG and won 3-0 lol!

Pre-season so far:

Davies out - £24M

Sessengon out - 17.5M

Hojbjerg out - £25M

In:

Ouna - £35M

Winjdal - £7M, Listed

Bissouma -£35M

Levy got me Aarons (£79M but only £53k wages).

 

We had a £70M budget, Levy paid off some Debt, and Lloris retired. Golini not renewed. Romero I did, but he's having some shockers. No idea what's goin on with him.

 

Yeah I oddly don’t know why Romero doesn’t perform better. He has good attributes but doesn’t perform great for me either

[plcarlos]

4 minutes ago, Dustman2015 said:

Yeah I oddly don’t know why Romero doesn’t perform better. He has good attributes but doesn’t perform great for me either

Yep, I actually lost a few days with a PC crashing loop I had earlier (Has cost me 2 saves now, lucky I manually save twice each month so I always get to go back). Ended up lucky in that I managed to cancel the offer. He's outdone by Rondon and Tanganga.

Edited November 8, 2021 by plcarlos

[Dustman2015]

With full game release some players will be bought that couldn’t be in beta. 
 

I sold Dier to Chelsea for 26

Hojbjerg to Newc for 33

moura to newc for 35

davies to Newc for 21

 

bought Zagadou for 6.5

Madueke for 32.5m

Adyemi for 16.5m

Luke Thomas for 38.5m

bale for 4m

Kessie for 27m

Weigl for 25m

sule for 16m

[Gazza's Belly]

6 hours ago, Dustman2015 said:

With full game release some players will be bought that couldn’t be in beta. 
 

I sold Dier to Chelsea for 26

Hojbjerg to Newc for 33

moura to newc for 35

davies to Newc for 21

 

bought Zagadou for 6.5

Madueke for 32.5m

Adyemi for 16.5m

Luke Thomas for 38.5m

bale for 4m

Kessie for 27m

Weigl for 25m

sule for 16m

Weigl is great. Use him as dlp on defend and have Tanguy MEZ and dele CM attack in front of him causing havoc.

Son and Kane up front and a back 3 of Romero, Pavard and Mukiele. Reggie and Royal as the attacking wing backs.

[caveman]

Do you sell in first transfer window guys? Cause in my save (full release) noone want to buy my players. The only offer is for Ndombele from Newcastle (£30m), but my player refuse to join Newcastle even i put him on transfer list.

[Dustman2015]

3 hours ago, caveman said:

Do you sell in first transfer window guys? Cause in my save (full release) noone want to buy my players. The only offer is for Ndombele from Newcastle (£30m), but my player refuse to join Newcastle even i put him on transfer list.

Yeah I was able to convince Ndombele to consider the offer. 
 

also I have great luck offering them to clubs with an undisclosed price tag. 

[n33712]

I've tried to replace Lloris several times but have had no luck....was close to Onana signing but he chose another club 

Am now in my 3rd season, Lloris contract expiring at end of season and he is now getting old and noticeably making mistakes. I am struggling to find any good replacement.......any suggestions?

Who have you bought? 

Cheers

[plcarlos]

1 hour ago, n33712 said:

I've tried to replace Lloris several times but have had no luck....was close to Onana signing but he chose another club 

Am now in my 3rd season, Lloris contract expiring at end of season and he is now getting old and noticeably making mistakes. I am struggling to find any good replacement.......any suggestions?

Who have you bought? 

Cheers

I managed to get Onana, but my normal go-to's as alternatives are :

Cakir (Turkish Keeper, but NOT a Sweeper Keeper) - 14-16 for most of his Keeper Attributes and normally around £20M.

Depending on how Everton do, you can sometimes nab Pickford (English + a Decent Sweeper Keeper).

Italian league is good to hunt in as well, Some Decent Keepers out there that are sometimes 2nd Fiddle, or the team has dropped out of Europe

Speaking of Europe, Look at teams that have not made any European competitions, same again - You can sometimes nab a few players from them with the lure of European Football.

[n33712]

18 minutes ago, plcarlos said:

I managed to get Onana, but my normal go-to's as alternatives are :

Cakir (Turkish Keeper, but NOT a Sweeper Keeper) - 14-16 for most of his Keeper Attributes and normally around £20M.

Depending on how Everton do, you can sometimes nab Pickford (English + a Decent Sweeper Keeper).

Italian league is good to hunt in as well, Some Decent Keepers out there that are sometimes 2nd Fiddle, or the team has dropped out of Europe

Speaking of Europe, Look at teams that have not made any European competitions, same again - You can sometimes nab a few players from them with the lure of European Football.

Thank you for the tips

[Dustman2015]

Won my first 2 premier league games against Everton at home and against Chelsea at the Bridge. Played a counter back 5 against Chelsea and it worked! 
 

Weigl and Kessie are an amazing midfield pivot. Kane scored a hat trick in the conference league, and my CB pairing of Zagadou and Milinkovic has been remarkable so far.

[caveman]

20 hours ago, n33712 said:

I've tried to replace Lloris several times but have had no luck....was close to Onana signing but he chose another club 

Am now in my 3rd season, Lloris contract expiring at end of season and he is now getting old and noticeably making mistakes. I am struggling to find any good replacement.......any suggestions?

Who have you bought? 

Cheers

You can also check Illan Meslier from Leeds.

[spartans5]

Starting my save on the full release, always have the first transfer window off because I want to start with rosters as close to what they are now as possible. Will have some updates as I get into the season proper. Currently in preseason.

[Dustman2015]

1 hour ago, spartans5 said:

Starting my save on the full release, always have the first transfer window off because I want to start with rosters as close to what they are now as possible. Will have some updates as I get into the season proper. Currently in preseason.

What formation have you set up in??

[spartans5]

4 hours ago, Dustman2015 said:

What formation have you set up in??

I have a 3-5-2 set up. One with a DM and one with an AM, although I am liking the DM more than the AM, it's more stable defensively and the CM with attacking duty does more of what I want than the AM does. I have 1 friendly left, then the season starts for real. I'll post my tactic when I get in the game next.

[spartans5]

This is the tactic I am starting the season with.

[Dustman2015]

2 hours ago, spartans5 said:

This is the tactic I am starting the season with.

I really like the look of this…. Out of curiosity, why the generic cm-s cm-a roles? Instead of bbm or ap or mezz?? Never chosen the generic roles before 

[plcarlos]

6 hours ago, Dustman2015 said:

I really like the look of this…. Out of curiosity, why the generic cm-s cm-a roles? Instead of bbm or ap or mezz?? Never chosen the generic roles before 

Not my tactic, but the Generic roles can be customised. So you can add roam to a CM-S to make it a partial BBM, although i the above I'd not add that to allow my CM's\CM-A to be more central. You could add "Takes more risks", but NOT have the hard coded "hold position" making a more mobile AP, without them being a ball magnet.

Mez could be used to link up with a WB, But i'd then swap 2/3 more roles around.

I'd guess that the width is caused by the WB's and that the Central Runner (CM-A) in the MCR creates an extra threat from deep, CM-S can offer recyling of possesion\switch of play\killer balls, or just be another destroyer, whatever is required in that positions. Maybe even a Stay wider (Carrilio) to cover for the WB-A if the opposition requires.

So the Generic role are great in that the can be custominsed to what you want without the hardcoded instructions that the specialist roles have. You can then add\remove as needed, and also dependant of opposition.

The Generic roles are Massivly underrated IMHO.

Edited November 12, 2021 by plcarlos

[spartans5]

The generic roles are there for the beginning of the season so I can see how the tactic works in the middle of the park and I will add player instructions as players become familiar with the tactic and I see what needs to be adjusted. I have long been a player who goes straight for the flashy role but this year I'm trying to pare that back a bit and build a little more consciously. The CM-Attack without any other instructions has been doing exactly what I want them to do, which is arriving in the box late and being available for cut-backs.

Edited November 12, 2021 by spartans5
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[Dustman2015]

Thanks guys! Both of those responses make a ton of sense 

[enders357]

Just bought FM22 and installed it tonight. Bit surprised to see Nuno starts as Spurs manager. Anyone have any idea when Conte will be in? I'd have expected data to be up to date to the date of the game's release.

Edited November 14, 2021 by enders357

[plcarlos]

49 minutes ago, enders357 said:

Just bought FM22 and installed it tonight. Bit surprised to see Nuno starts as Spurs manager. Anyone have any idea when Conte will be in? I'd have expected data to be up to date to the date of the game's release.

They have a cut off date for data, so it's posible that this has missed the deadline. I think the deadline is in October sometime. So that change will likely be in the Jan update.

Option B would be to change it manually in the pre-game editor, which is what I would do if I did a new save, If Conte + His staff are not there.

[Dustman2015]

Yeah I did it in the pre-game editor. It took 5 mins

[enders357]

Cool, I did it too last night (alo adding all his staff, promoting Ryan Mason up to first team coach and making Paratici a DoF, which seems closer to his real role). Conte was sacked by 5th of December. I ran it through five teams and he was gone before Christmas every time!

 

EDIT: I just watched it through match by match, and he went from being 6th in the table and on a 4 game winning streak with job security as 'stable' to sacked just by losing 3-0 away to Newcastle. Mental.

Edited November 14, 2021 by enders357

[sidford]

So who are your go to signings in first season? Want to download the game tonight and fail miserably as I usually do with first attempt but least If.i get some recommendations from here I can kid myself and say it's not just down to me

[Dustman2015]

11 minutes ago, sidford said:

So who are your go to signings in first season? Want to download the game tonight and fail miserably as I usually do with first attempt but least If.i get some recommendations from here I can kid myself and say it's not just down to me

If you wait 1-2 weeks you can usually get Dan-Axel Zagadou for 6.5m pounds. He’s an amazing left footed CB, fills the hole left by Vertonghen. 
 

Also, consider selling players to Newcastle to shore up your finances. You can get hefty fees from them. 

[sidford]

7 minutes ago, Dustman2015 said:

If you wait 1-2 weeks you can usually get Dan-Axel Zagadou for 6.5m pounds. He’s an amazing left footed CB, fills the hole left by Vertonghen. 
 

Also, consider selling players to Newcastle to shore up your finances. You can get hefty fees from them. 

Cheers bud. 

Watched a few spurs FM vids and it's great that different players come up for sale on different games but there's usually a few players in each game who are available and can improve us. A CB, CM and RW badly needed as hoping to give Scarlett a few minutes here and there

[Shuxxyer]

4 hours ago, Dustman2015 said:

If you wait 1-2 weeks you can usually get Dan-Axel Zagadou for 6.5m pounds. He’s an amazing left footed CB, fills the hole left by Vertonghen. 
 

Also, consider selling players to Newcastle to shore up your finances. You can get hefty fees from them. 

Can't stress this enough. Newcastle will pay silly money for players that you can replace with much better, like sending Dier to them and picking up Zagadou as suggested by Dustman.

[Dustman2015]

5 hours ago, Shuxxyer said:

Can't stress this enough. Newcastle will pay silly money for players that you can replace with much better, like sending Dier to them and picking up Zagadou as suggested by Dustman.

That is one of my favorite pieces of business, along with selling them Ndombele and replacing him with Kessie.

[KevMS84]

Just wondering, what do people think of the youngsters at the club?  I'm especially looking forward to seeing that Donley kid develop, from the looks of things he might be the best prospect at the club.  On the other hand, not sure Sarr's PA is good enough.

[plcarlos]

1 hour ago, KevMS84 said:

Just wondering, what do people think of the youngsters at the club?  I'm especially looking forward to seeing that Donley kid develop, from the looks of things he might be the best prospect at the club.  On the other hand, not sure Sarr's PA is good enough.

Donely is developing well in my save (Season 2, Jan). He's on the verge of being Loaned out, and will need a years loan.

Scarlett is in my 1st team, but again, is a year away from really pushing me. Devine has just gone out on loan, as he's ready for that and should return pushing for first team action.

Dorrington is making me think as he's showing good potential, Sarr has a vairable PA, I seem to have hit a better side of that. On loan, but I'm being recommended to bring him back (Too early for me).

Skipp did very well (as Did Scarlett) in FM21 for me, and looks to be very good again. Not sure on his Natural fitness (12 in my save), Hopefully I'll get that to increase with training

Gil is showing as good potential, but some of his attributes let him down. Maybe he's one I'd loan out in Season 1 if i do a new save.

John, Heaps and Bloxam seem to have the coaches telling me a lot about them, but they deffo need 3-4 seasons.

Youth development seems to have changed a bit - Facilities\Coaching seem to count more, and possibly reputation of those coaches which makes sense in some ways.

As you can see - Youth development is one of my primary parts of the game I enjoy......

 

Speaking of which Minor Save update:

2nd in season 2 to the OP Man UTD who brought in Mbappe on a Free! Recruited well by getting Barella in MC to sit with Pogba. Man City brought in Haaland!

England won the world cup!..

+

I got a youth preview of a "Golden Generation"

[Shuxxyer]

Man Utd are just disgusting. Got spanked 5-1 by them in my 2nd game in my current 2nd season. Meanwhile, Mbappe is at Liverpool on a free.

I do need to throw Ndombele away though. Newcastle please, you have one job...

[Dustman2015]

Has anyone else found that Leeds is oddly overpowered?

[Gazza's Belly]

On the new update, Conte is manager and you have 100m transfer budget and 250k in spare wages. 

Sarr's potential looks to have increased too 

[plcarlos]

32 minutes ago, Gazza's Belly said:

On the new update, Conte is manager and you have 100m transfer budget and 250k in spare wages. 

Sarr's potential looks to have increased too 

Sarr's potential is actualy variable. So can vary on each save.

Actually many of the Youngsters I posted above are variable PA. I'm lucky that in my save, I seem to have 4 of them that could really make an impact.

Gutted we now get £100M, + the extra wages, That would have allowed a much quicker well overdue rebuild.

[sidford]

1 hour ago, Gazza's Belly said:

On the new update, Conte is manager and you have 100m transfer budget and 250k in spare wages. 

Sarr's potential looks to have increased too 

Makes sense I suppose as no way conte took on the job without a promise of decent transfer budget. Hopefully Newcastle still love buying our casts offs as that would give a decent chunk to do long overdue refresh

[Gazza's Belly]

2 hours ago, sidford said:

Makes sense I suppose as no way conte took on the job without a promise of decent transfer budget. Hopefully Newcastle still love buying our casts offs as that would give a decent chunk to do long overdue refresh

They do, sold Lucas for 50m, winks 24 and Davies 15m to them. 

Dier went to Chelsea for 30m.

[sidford]

20 minutes ago, Gazza's Belly said:

They do, sold Lucas for 50m, winks 24 and Davies 15m to them. 

Dier went to Chelsea for 30m.

Nice one, 220m and 250k wages is a damn good starting point to fund the rebuild

[Gazza's Belly]

1 hour ago, sidford said:

Nice one, 220m and 250k wages is a damn good starting point to fund the rebuild

I went a little crazy.

Darwin 25m

Weigl 28m

Lacroix 25m

Isak 40m

Musiala 50m

Edwards 9m

Diaz 50m

[sidford]

Didn't realise we start we so many gaps to fill in the staff. That 250k excess wage gets a good chunk taken out of it, think it's 8 scouts, chief scout, technical director, some analyst's & at least 3 coaches all need to be filled. That's before upgrading on assistant manager and hitchen. Think il be keeping assistant and hitchen for the first season and try and upgrade next year. 

[Dustman2015]

2 hours ago, sidford said:

Didn't realise we start we so many gaps to fill in the staff. That 250k excess wage gets a good chunk taken out of it, think it's 8 scouts, chief scout, technical director, some analyst's & at least 3 coaches all need to be filled. That's before upgrading on assistant manager and hitchen. Think il be keeping assistant and hitchen for the first season and try and upgrade next year. 

The Assistant Manager there under Conte is a baller. I’d be hard pressed to find a better one worth paying the termination fee 

[sidford]

Read some comments that on updated version it's alot harder to buy and sell players as they all want champions League footie. Anyone else found that? Im still just setting up staff etc so likely be a few days until I get to transfers etc

[Come_On_You_Spurs]

3 hours ago, sidford said:

Read some comments that on updated version it's alot harder to buy and sell players as they all want champions League footie. Anyone else found that? Im still just setting up staff etc so likely be a few days until I get to transfers etc

I’ve been able to bring in Raphina, Milenkovic, Sule, Brozovic, Vlahovic and Weigl without a problem. Who are you targeting? 

[sidford]

2 hours ago, Come_On_You_Spurs said:

I’ve been able to bring in Raphina, Milenkovic, Sule, Brozovic, Vlahovic and Weigl without a problem. Who are you targeting? 

It's something that was said by a few on another forum. I haven't gotten fair enough yet to buy players as still sorting out staff, tactics etc before I start winking and lifting up my skirt to Newcastle to get more funds

[Dustman2015]

3 hours ago, sidford said:

It's something that was said by a few on another forum. I haven't gotten fair enough yet to buy players as still sorting out staff, tactics etc before I start winking and lifting up my skirt to Newcastle to get more funds

The only thing I’ve noticed is that some players sign new contracts that didn’t in the beta. (Sule, Brozovic, Corona)