Impossible to sell players

[TOMetz]

I'll just keep on raising this topic as I'm not getting any response from SI. I'm having issues with this since FM21.

1. It's impossible to sell or offload my players, even when offering them out for free
   The only response I'm getting is that the player demands more salary than the clubs are able to pay. Strangely enough, I get the same message when I add the clause that I pay the majority of the player's salary in the offer. Also loan offers where I pay the salary and with a mandatory or non mandatory fee at the end (a low one!) aren't accepted.
2. Only useless youth players are wanted by other clubs
   Young players who don't have a future in my team and are still in my youth teams are wanted, by numbers.
3. Players who ask to leave the club and are given permission to do so, don't generate any offers nor are wanted
   I'm regularly getting a player who comes up to me saying he doesn't feel like he's good enough and wants to leave the club. Fine by me. Any offer is welcome. I TL him for half of his transfer value and nobody wants him. Even after being on the TL for that price for a year.

These are all players that have played a number of matches in my team, have avg ratings around 7.0, scored goals, gave assists and have no injury history. 

They don't have high wage contracts. All of them have a sub 40k salary per month. Their contracts run for two years.

Nor me or my director of football is able to sell these guys.

I have loaded these leagues in my game and am playing with a large database.

• All Belgian divisions
• All Dutch divisions
• Bundesliga 1 & 2
• Ligue 1 and 2
• La Liga and Segunda
• Serie A & Serie B
• Premier League and Championship
• Scottisch Premier League
• Danish top league
• Norwegian top league
• Polish top league
• Swiss top league
• Austrian top league
• Portuguese top league
• Russian premier league
• Ukrainian premier league
• Greek premier league
• Turkish top league
• MLS
• Mexican top league
• Australian top league
• Japanese top league
• South African top league

Is anyone else having this issue? And if not: what am I doing wrong?

Thank you.

Edited December 12, 2021 by TOMetz

[AurioDK]

There is an inflation problem with player wages in FM when it comes to the premier league, if you scout out a championship player you wish as a reserve they often demand far more than they would in real life, take a look what Brentford/Leeds are paying some of their players, far below FM wages, Harrison for 15k a week at Leeds in his second year in real life, never in FM.

Clubs are however fairly realistic in terms of wanting to offer reasonable wages, that collides with the immense pay rise FM players receive and ends up in you having to offer part of the wages. As for offloading players, I have to let most reserves go on a free transfer, have only been able to offload first team players. Had to do a forced signing of backup center back and he wanted 70k a week, no way he is going anywhere, he too will stay until he is released.

The latter is a bit dangerous though, the board will hate you if you let your players be snapped up by other clubs on their last year of contract. If you are in danger of getting sacked dont let that happen.

[TOMetz]

1 hour ago, AurioDK said:

There is an inflation problem with player wages in FM when it comes to the premier league, if you scout out a championship player you wish as a reserve they often demand far more than they would in real life, take a look what Brentford/Leeds are paying some of their players, far below FM wages, Harrison for 15k a week at Leeds in his second year in real life, never in FM.

 

But I'm playing in the Belgian league, not the Premier League. I rarely have a team like Spurs interested in one of my top players but the badge quickly disappears again. Very frustrating.

[AurioDK]

3 hours ago, TOMetz said:

But I'm playing in the Belgian league, not the Premier League. I rarely have a team like Spurs interested in one of my top players but the badge quickly disappears again. Very frustrating.

 

Spurs will only be interested in players who automatically qualify for a work permit, if you are sure they do then I don´t know.

[HUNT3R]

13 hours ago, TOMetz said:

I'll just keep on raising this topic as I'm not getting any response from SI.

If you want SI to look into this - post in the bug tracker with a copy of your save uploaded and the steps to reproduce your issue.

[Brother Ben]

There used to be an issue with running a large database in terms of the market being flooded with players.  I always use a small database.  Could that be the problem here maybe?

[Crispypaul]

Can't say I have many problems selling players in my current game.  

[Hovis Dexter]

1 hour ago, Brother Ben said:

There used to be an issue with running a large database in terms of the market being flooded with players.  I always use a small database.  Could that be the problem here maybe?

My thoughts exactly. Ever since I've started using a small database I've not experienced any problems in selling players

[Brother Ben]

Just now, Hovis Dexter said:

My thoughts exactly. Ever since I've started using a small database I've not experienced any problems in selling players

Yeah it's only really anecdotal evidence but I've been using a small database for years and never had problems selling players generally

[woodsy1983]

1 hour ago, Brother Ben said:

There used to be an issue with running a large database in terms of the market being flooded with players.  I always use a small database.  Could that be the problem here maybe?

I think a large database is fine as long as you have a lot of leagues loaded. Definitely a correlation between the two. In this case if all those leagues are playable rather than view only I think a large data base should be fine. 
 

With regards to the opening post I always think you should ask yourself who is actually going to buy my player as if you’re a top team trying to get rid of someone not good enough then chances are anyone that’s better or at your level won’t want him either, any clubs lower down the chain might not be able to affford his salary. Without knowing specifics of players/teams involved then I don’t think anyone would really be able to guess if it’s a bug or not.

[sporadicsmiles]

The question you have to ask yourself is are the players worth the money another club would spend on wages? If they are, who is able to pay those wages? This applies to every league you play in. If you are paying over the average for an average player, you are always going to struggle to move him on. I know you are not managing in the EPL, but take Joelinton at Newcastle. I think he is on 80k a week. Is he worth that? Absolutely not. Can anyone who he would improve afford that? Not a chance. Is it hard to move him on because of this? Absolutely. The same applies at all levels. 

On 12/12/2021 at 17:09, TOMetz said:

. Strangely enough, I get the same message when I add the clause that I pay the majority of the player's salary in the offer.

This is not strange. I do not know if you are aware, so but this deal only counts for the duration of the contract at your club (as far as I know). So if they cannot afford him, they still cant afford him after this sort of deal long term. 

The best way to deal with moving on players is to not have players who you are happy to sell have large wages or long contracts. Long, high value contracts should be reserved for your key players who you do not want to sell. 

[Hovis Dexter]

19 minutes ago, sporadicsmiles said:

.....I do not know if you are aware, so but this deal only counts for the duration of the contract at your club (as far as I know).  .....

This is absolutely correct ... you pay any wage contribution only until the time the contract would have expired had the player stayed out his contract with your club.

[gm23]

I think this is a non issue, I'm having no problems getting rid of players at United.

[Grifty]

I'm able to sell players for what I feel is a good acceptable level of money on a regular basis on FM21. There's a few things that I've noted which has helped.

1. Performance - The better my players perform, the more offers I get and the higher value they are. Seems pretty obvious really, but the AI are going to be more interested in players performing well.

2. Game time - Even if the players perform well in the few games I play them, the more they play, the more interest they get. for this reason, I'd prefer to send out fringe players on loan, have them play more games and then potentially sell them when they return.

3. Offering out players - I usually offer out players for their market value + £5-10m depending on the player value. i.e a £40m player with 3 years left on his contract, I'll offer out for £45-50m. Generally I'll get 2 offers which are around £20m, but I'll always get an offer for his market value and often 1 at the price I offered them out at. I've found this works much better on younger players on the fringes rather than first team regulars.

So as an example, I wanted to shift 3-4 fringe players who were OK and replace them with some real quality. Ferrante, Cleal & Paul were all youth intake players from various years and only played about 25 league games between them the season before. I offered Ferrante & Cleal out for market value and got 3-4 offers for each. Paul I offered for £7m above market value because he's only 20 and got 2 offers.

Campos was worth £72m so only lost £4m on his value. Leitao was only worth £40, but I had spent £78m on him so lost a bit there. If I was more into it, you can always negotiate harder and get an even better deal.

Edited December 13, 2021 by Grifty

[Ben Kenney]

@TOMetz

If you have examples which show the issue you are having then please start a thread in the transfer and contract bugs forum and upload a save game which shows the issue. 

Our QA team will then be able to investigate further. 

https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2022-bugs-forum/transfers-contracts-scouting-recruitment-meetings-and-staff-responsibilities/

Cheers,

Ben