I want to improve on my tactic... what would you do ?

[neptune'sblue]

Hello everyone

I'm trying to create a tactic instead of plug and play in football manager. What would you change if you were me? How would you suggest I improve/modify my setup and team instructions?

Tactic

opposing team instructions

What I'm trying to do is press high and win the ball. then pass and score a goal as soon as possible. This is the reason for my aggressive team instructions. The biggest tactical issue I've observed so far is having too much xGa.

I don't have a particular style of play. I just want to learn something and discover what I'm doing wrong. I hope you can help me thank you

[prched55]

15 minutes ago, neptune'sblue said:

I don't have a particular style of play.

 

15 minutes ago, neptune'sblue said:

What I'm trying to do is press high and win the ball. then pass and score a goal as soon as possible.

I think you do have a style of play you're trying to achieve. When you watch the games, do you see this happening? Is the tactic working? Are you winning games? Losing games? I don't think it's smart to fix something that may or may not be working for you. 

[nully29]

Try attacking wide

[neptune'sblue]

9 dakika önce, prched55 said:

 

I think you do have a style of play you're trying to achieve. When you watch the games, do you see this happening? Is the tactic working? Are you winning games? Losing games? I don't think it's smart to fix something that may or may not be working for you. 

What I want to talk about here is that I don't have a specific tactic that we can call possession, gegenpress. Of course I have a purpose. But I can't understand some things. For example, why do I always score goals with crosses in offense? Is it because I have the cwb and iw roles?

And in defense, why at this point I don't have a player in the cm-d role and my penalty area is empty? BTW None player instructions and blue teams my team.

I'm just wondering why am I conceding this goal? tactical reason? players' qualifications or just match engine ?

Thanks for answers.

 

[neptune'sblue]

16 dakika önce, nully29 said:

Try attacking wide

Why should I try this? can you explain in more detail?

[nully29]

9 minutes ago, neptune'sblue said:

Why should I try this? can you explain in more detail?

Penetration is way better with width in this match engine. You will get into the final third easier

[Brian]

13 minutes ago, neptune'sblue said:

What I want to talk about here is that I don't have a specific tactic that we can call possession, gegenpress. Of course I have a purpose. But I can't understand some things. For example, why do I always score goals with crosses in offense? Is it because I have the cwb and iw roles?

It's important to have a style of play, because you can check if your team is doing what you want them to do. 

Example: I play in a 1-4-2-3-1 shape.

My back 4 from left to right is:

• WB-At
• CB - (stay wider)
• BPD
• FB-DE - (sit narrow)

My 2 midfielders are, from left to right:

• DLP-De
• CM-De

I want to have a 3-2 when in possession and building up. The reason for this is that I'm trying to create the Nagelsmann approach at Bayern. Protecting the center of the pitch for counter attacks. 

It looks like this in possession:

In the highlights I can clearly see that my team is doing what I'm telling them to do. But I also notice that the defending roles is hurting my chances and goals, so it needs tweaking. But the bottom line is that my team is doing what I want them to do, so mission accomplished. 

 

In your case, it's not very clear what style of football you want to play and what your team needs to do. Make it clear for yourself - or others - what style of football you want to play and work from there. 

[neptune'sblue]

10 dakika önce, Brian said:

It's important to have a style of play, because you can check if your team is doing what you want them to do. 

Example: I play in a 1-4-2-3-1 shape.

My back 4 from left to right is:

• WB-At
• CB - (stay wider)
• BPD
• FB-DE - (sit narrow)

My 2 midfielders are, from left to right:

• DLP-De
• CM-De

I want to have a 3-2 when in possession and building up. The reason for this is that I'm trying to create the Nagelsmann approach at Bayern. Protecting the center of the pitch for counter attacks. 

It looks like this in possession:

In the highlights I can clearly see that my team is doing what I'm telling them to do. But I also notice that the defending roles is hurting my chances and goals, so it needs tweaking. But the bottom line is that my team is doing what I want them to do, so mission accomplished. 

 

In your case, it's not very clear what style of football you want to play and what your team needs to do. Make it clear for yourself - or others - what style of football you want to play and work from there. 

I like to act according to the club vision. I'm trying to create a suitable team for this. But it seems that I have weaknesses defensively.

The shape I'm trying to create is like this

And this is how I play right now

[prched55]

38 minutes ago, neptune'sblue said:

why do I always score goals with crosses in offense?

Could be a variety of reasons. If you're a top team then teams are going to sit back against you more often. It could also be your tempo setting. So on higher tempo your offensive players and just running forward and not considering the movement of their teammates. From the pass map you posted it looks like your teams just passes around the back a bunch. I would try changing passing length and tempo to standard and see what happens. You can also set crossing to low crosses which will encourage players to do cut backs. 

41 minutes ago, neptune'sblue said:

And in defense, why at this point I don't have a player in the cm-d role and my penalty area is empty?

So again, so many things could be happening. And a lot depends on when the screenshot was taken and how the other team is playing. From your TIs it seems like your team is not vertically compact at all. Try dropping your line of engagement down one. Or it could be the PPMs of your CMd. Does he have gets forward whenever possible? You could also just drop the CMd to the DM strata as a DMs or DMde or whatever. Just a holding midfielder. 

 

[glengarry224]

6 hours ago, neptune'sblue said:

What I want to talk about here is that I don't have a specific tactic that we can call possession, gegenpress. Of course I have a purpose. But I can't understand some things. For example, why do I always score goals with crosses in offense? Is it because I have the cwb and iw roles?

And in defense, why at this point I don't have a player in the cm-d role and my penalty area is empty? BTW None player instructions and blue teams my team.

I'm just wondering why am I conceding this goal? tactical reason? players' qualifications or just match engine ?

Thanks for answers.

 

It's hard to answer a question about one goal without seeing the buildup.  You do have four defenders on the right flank vs two attackers.  That's bizzare.  It might be that you are pressing heavily with a decidedly non-compact block (high DL with much higher LOE), which can create havoc if your opponent breaks the press, but that's just a guess.  Also, #2 or #5 should step up and challenge yellow #11.  Was this late in the match?  Were you players tired from so much pressing?  This looks like that, but again just a guess.

You have no DM which can lead to more unmarked players getting off long shots or running unmarked into your box.  Yes, a CM(d) is often a good defense against that if you have a player who is good at reading the game, closing down and marking:  ant/pos/acc/agg/dec/mark.  I'd keep an eye out and if your opponents are getting off a lot of unmarked shots from there and/or running unmarked into your box, you might need to make a change.  A DM or tighter, or man-marking, certain players, or a defender on 'stopper' duty can help.

Other than your extreme pressing, your tactic looks pretty solid defensively.  FM22 much more heavily punishes tired players.  If you are conceding a lot late in matches, you might need a 'resting tactic' to use for stretches in the first half to save some energy.

I think that crossing is over-powered in FM22

[WhyMe]

I've not really played FM22 much yet so not sure how this match engine works really, but my first thought when looking at your setup and your problem is that you lack penetration into the box from deep and your left flank is quite conservative.  You could try switching your left winger to an attack duty to fix both problems.  

[DarJ]

On 22/12/2021 at 18:31, neptune'sblue said:

why at this point I don't have a player in the cm-d role and my penalty area is empty?

It's hard to tell from one static image somwtimes the action that leads to you conceding a goal happend much more early and everything that comes after that is just a consequence of the initial mistake.

For me the choice of roles and duties is decent apart from the fact that you are too conservative on the left and I'll personally go for a WB or FB on attack on the right then probally a SS instead of a T 

[neptune'sblue]

On 23.12.2021 at 04:24, glengarry224 said:

 Was this late in the match?  Were you players tired from so much pressing?  This looks like that, but again just a guess.

You have no DM which can lead to more unmarked players getting off long shots or running unmarked into your box.  Yes, a CM(d) is often a good defense against that if you have a player who is good at reading the game, closing down and marking:  .

Other than your extreme pressing, your tactic looks pretty solid defensively.  FM22 much more heavily punishes tired players.  If you are conceding a lot late in matches, you might need a 'resting tactic' to use for stretches in the first half to save some energy.

I think that crossing is over-powered in FM22

It was just the 1st minute of the match 

But I think I've figured something out. It's a really unprotected area when I don't have a player in the dM position. BTW 
now i think like you. I think definitely crosses over-powered

If you are interested and I would like to show you the change of my tactic.

I tried to set up my tactic in a simple way. First of all, what do I want in attack? Then where do I go wrong in defense?

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I want at least 3 players to enter the box on offense. In defense, I want to have at least 3 players. While this gives me a 3-4-3 formation on offense; I want to stand in the defensive 4-4-2 formation.

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on defense ;

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for now i get what i want in my lineups and results 

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If anyone is interested, I will continue to create the tactic with my experience and your suggestions. Thanks for all the advice you have given.

[neptune'sblue]

         I used a goal we scored to learn how to make a gif I wanted to share with you 

[DarJ]

4 hours ago, neptune'sblue said:

I used a goal we scored to learn how to make a gif

I don't know what program you used to make the gif but I use one called shareX for GIFs, screenshots etc and it's very easy to use

[DarJ]

4 hours ago, neptune'sblue said:

for now i get what i want in my lineups and results 

Good to see that you're getting what you want now.

I'll be interested in seeing how you do going forward