668 Team, 12 Level Canadian Pyramid [23.0]

[dtown1414]

Didn't work for me for some reason? Tried the latest version from Steam?

[animal31]

2 hours ago, dtown1414 said:

Didn't work for me for some reason? Tried the latest version from Steam?

What is your set up when starting the game? Is this from a fresh launch with no other files? 

[dtown1414]

Fresh launch, but also using a USA mod, Spain, England, and Scotland. Didn't think any of those mods would be an issue. I didn't drill down yet and start flip flopping mods around to see what works with yours. Working on that now. 

 

[animal31]

2 minutes ago, dtown1414 said:

Fresh launch, but also using a USA mod, Spain, England, and Scotland. Didn't think any of those mods would be an issue. I didn't drill down yet and start flip flopping mods around to see what works with yours. Working on that now. 

 

Right off the bat, any US database is probably going to cause a failure because if how the two mods interact with the canadian teams that play in the US auch as the MLS and teams like Thunder Bay chill

[dtown1414]

Just now, animal31 said:

Right off the bat, any US database is probably going to cause a failure because if how the two mods interact with the canadian teams that play in the US auch as the MLS and teams like Thunder Bay chill

Ok, that saves me some time. Will keep that in mind for my next save. I don't really want to manage in the US anyway, especially not in the Mickey Mouse/Old Man Retirements League. And I live in the US, lol. Thanks again for your help!

[animal31]

This project has ruined my brain

 

I was sitting at my computer, not playing football manager, and a window popped up for some program. I instantly had an anxiety attack thinking oh no my database crashed again when it wasnt even open

[Steph54]

With the FM24 announcement and news that the game will be able to adapt to the U21 1000 minutes for the CPL ( or else the team wont be able to qualify for playoff), is this something that you will take in consideration? Personnally I like your actual format, even if its good to have that to help grow our sport. 

Also, I think at some point after 15-20 years the in your database the U21 wont be a good idea on your bench. Let me explain my idea: You already create a whole pyramid with a lot of division. If a U21 not good enough we can let play in lower division or U23 team( or U20). The concept is good at the begining I think because the actual level of player is bad( sorry) and there is not a lot of player available so why not using young player. If you want to talk about it dont hesitate! You create something really addictive, im now in year 2077

[animal31]

I wont be implementing the CPLs u21 rules in any way, itll simply be you get 3 u21 spots on the bench

[Steph54]

I know I said it earlier, but I think it would be more interesting to put the 16 CPL club in a new format of League Cup with MLS and Mexico ( with an eventual MLS expansion it could be okay with 64 teams) with a 64 club format and get rid of the Quebec/Ontario/Western cup for at least the CPL team, or maybe replace that with a Papa John format, so every club with U23 CPL club. 

I propose taht because the reputation in Canada are so bad and hard to level up, maybe it would help if they can have more continental game , I know for the first 10 years we will suck again USA/Mexico but it could be a very good alternative to see the difference between league and could be a cash grabber for CPL team.

I know I am legit the best team in North America but I cant buy some good level player because Canada's league reputation isnt great. 

I know I am so far, legit I think Im gonna play until 2100, where I think I could have a legit chance to win the World Cup. I have now a great youth club and Canada really improve, Canada are 11th in the World. A lot of great young player are there and there is something to do with them.

[animal31]

My only issue with editing the North American leagues is I fear breaking them completely, because I know it acts as a qualifier. I would love to add a Leagues2 cup, with teams from the CPL, Expansion, and USL compete, with the top 8 teams being promoted to Leagues1

[Steph54]

That would be nice, but I understand that it would be probably be tricky.

On a positive note, I made by far the biggest sale ever made in CPL. Very proud of that one. I could probably have more but I really want him this year. I am in 2081 and I think I have a shot of beating best European club in World Club Champions.  That guy is a beast and taht money would serve to buy one or two world class player

[themodelcitizen]

On 26/10/2023 at 14:55, animal31 said:

My only issue with editing the North American leagues is I fear breaking them completely, because I know it acts as a qualifier. I would love to add a Leagues2 cup, with teams from the CPL, Expansion, and USL compete, with the top 8 teams being promoted to Leagues1

I can help if you like, but the main thing is just replicating whatever the default "continental cup rules" are for the Canadian Championship and CanPL. But for the Leagues Cup, you could edit it all you like and I don't think it will affect CCL at all

Edited November 1, 2023 by themodelcitizen

[animal31]

I dont think i've ever seen a play that good come through my intakes, let alone a Canadian. Also I tried look at editing the Leagues cup and it appears any changes to it breaks it outright. Hopefully FM24 has better luck

[animal31]

Heres what ive sort of come up with

 

With San Diego joining the MLS there are 18 MX teams, 27 American MLS teams

In real life the 2 winners of MLS and Liga MX get byes, and there are only 15 groups with 47 total, 45 plus those 2. But 48 with San Diego means 16 groups of 3

Leaving 3 Slots for 3 Canadian Teams.

 

Under the real world format, its the 3 MLS teams, but under this format  it could be the 3 winners of the 3 regional cups.

 

I wont be editing the US or Mexico ever as long as I live, so I am at the Mercy of Sports Interactive. But in theory, there are 24 USL1, and 15 LEMX, plus the remaining 16 CPL teams makes 55, which is impossible to divide well into a power of 2. However, I can take the top 4 teams of each of the Mexico Liga 1 groups, for 8, making 63. Then I guess ill take the winner of CPL 2? Or the Matheson Cup? Leaving 16 groups of 4, split 24 USA, 23 MX, and 17 CA

 

Which leaves the absolute mess that is now the Leagues 3 Cup, but I'll think about that for FM 25 lol

[animal31]

So I have no idea how the different start modes like "Your world" interacts with custom databases, but under "Original" the FM24 Database runs until at least 2040

 

We cant seem to upload FM24 workshop items, but ill put it here manually so those of you who want to play it can

DarthAnimal Canadian League Pyramid 23.24.0.fmf

Edited November 7, 2023 by animal31

[Vakama2619]

Thank you!

[animal31]

They released a patch

 

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3076339755

[Chavezz12]

Hey ! Thanks for your work.

My FM 24 crashes when I try to start a new save with your database using the "original" mode.

Is it working for others ?

[animal31]

Theres alot of issues with this version of the game, a lot of people are having problems loading any sort of editor data.

 

It seems entirely random and based on the computer that you have, so we are truely confused. It works on my machine, for example, but there are a small number of other people also reporting crashes
 

All I can really recommend is try launching it without any other data files, and then try launching it without this data file, but with some random data file, and see if its this one causing the issue or if its FM

[Steph54]

I know its not the recent thread. But a little update on my epic journey on FM23. Im now in 2101, and pretty sure it gonna be my last season.After that maybe I will use the editor to make some test, but will see. Ive won the FIFA Club World Cup in 2089, and made finals this year in 2101. Got two wonderkid in 80 years, one of them was a goalkeeper, who became one of the best in the world, and led Canada to win the World Cup in 2082 . The other is now 21 in my current club. Was a starter since he was 17 years old but not developping because he is injury prone ( 2 injuries who took in total 17 month). Kind of sad because I could sell him at 18 years old for 60M and I thought it was low. Now he is worth ( only) 20M. Canada got a golden generation , like 5 players in the top 50 in the world. Normally its never more than 2. I also won the World Cup in 2090

For all this time, I just was able to have my own stadium, with my name. A nice 46000 place stadium, so thats nice, It was really hard to obtain. Also, there is only one club who were able to stay in CPL all that time, and it is Cavalry FC. Forge FC and Pacific FC was two seasons in CPL in total each. 

FInally, there was where we standing on clubs rep in North America. For my observation, Major League Soccer is not able to be better because of the salary cap. Mexican team are good but beatable. My players always want ot leave when they consider themself to good, they want to play in European competition, which is fair, but frustrating because I am not able to have the full price ( for example if I sell someone for 20M he is gonna worth 80M in Europe). One of the saddest thing is I was never be able to keep a player for more than 10 years, i tried but not happens yet, even if right now I have two player from my academy who are turning 27 and are now fully starter. I expect to lost them soon. 

Now a lot of young wonderkid are interested to sign on my club, but with a released clause which is not a way to make a lot of money. 

If you have question or comment dont hesitate. I will make a post soon about what I think could be better. My ultimate goal that I want to achieve would be to become the best club in the world but I dont see that happening anytime. I am really proud about everything I accomplish: Win the World Cup( twice), Fifa Club World Cup, became the best club in North America, developping a great youth system ( more on that later). 

I would never expect to have that much fun, what you create was fantastic. 

I was managing Sherbrooke since 2050, before that I was with Celtix Haut-Richelieu. 

Cheers!

 

Edited March 4 by Steph54

[animal31]

That is astounding, you love to see it

 

Also absolutely impressive that the game hasnt just completely broken by that point lol

[Steph54]

What youve create what rock solid!

For long runner like me: There is what you should consider to change( or not, I know its not easy to adapt everything): 

I would change the MLS format, to make like standard format ( no salary cap). No MLS academy became good player. I checked their national team. No one is from MLS academy, and few were from other team from USA.  MLS become kind of bad on long run because they cant develop because of the limited salary cap. They won the Concacaf champions league only 1 time and it was on 2026. USA is a small detail, I dont expect you to change something there. The non MLS team was a really good way to grow the CPL level. We can sign these player for free. It was the most easy way to find free good player at the begining, so its still a nice thing. 

About the USA, I know I already mention it, but a Leagues Cup with MLS/LigaMX and CPL should spice things up, and maybe long term help CPL to better compared themselve. A 64 format in around June/July/August would be perfect i think ( except for LigaMX who played a lot in that time). 

For that, you can get rid of the regional Cup ( Quebec/Ontario/Western). For lower division, maybe play home/away game on division cup to compensate. I dont particuly like regional cup because its less prestigious than Champions Cup and it overcharge the schedule. 

 

Im glad that you adjust U23/U20 squad on FM24. Sometimes when you get 3 games the same day it is a little too much. After Second division there is no reason to have two young club. 

Also, I am not a big fan of 5 foreign player max per game, even if I understand why ( keep playing national player for development and to imitate current CPL. 

A suggestion that I would make is you can have 8 foreign player on CPL, but lower division keep the same ( 5). At some point, CPL is the most competitive division, so it is should be less restraining. For CPL I would go with 1 U21 per game, and dont change for lower division. But it's just my opinion.

I like the actual youth system. In the first season the youth system is just very bad, which is fairly correct. 

Also, a nice thing that I discoverer around 2070 is to got foreign affiliate club. It help to have a good youth system. Got a club in Columbian, Uruguayan and Chile at some point. About two to three years after the affiliation you can have foreign young guys, its a nice touch!

I never touch the youth training review , but realise that Canada start on 67, and 80 years later it was at 100. I thought it was something that cannot change but happy to see the growth in that. 

On international level, there is two things that I dislike. The first is international window on november. It took place at the same time than the final of Champions Cup, and I cant reschedule Champions cup, which sucks because I always have 10/12 players on international duties at that moment, so it kind of ruined my team. Regional Cup can be rescedule so its ok for that. Maybe add that if you can. 

The second thing that sucked is something you cant really do, but, it is the level of competitiveness of Central america club. They sucked hard. Gold Cup is boring because beside semi-final/finals there is no challenge. Costa Rica and Panama should be at least competitive, and I know it is because of the fact that they are not playable. Nothing that you can do for that, but its make the Gold Cup kind of boring. Maybe a merging with Copa America could be nice, 

My biggest achievement: A perfect season ( 90pts) in 2090 but lost in finals of North America Champions League and quarter final of Champions Cup . Of course, winning the FIFA World Club was an achievement I wouldnt expect and really proud of. 

Also, the best ranking for Canada was a 4th place.

So I think thats it, It was a joy for me to do that save. What you create was awesome, and glad to see already that you try to find solution on our feedback on FM24.  I am probably gonna buy FM25, so if you recreate something, for sure Im gonna try it! 

Cheers! 

 

Edited March 6 by Steph54

[animal31]

Next on the docket is definitely trying to figure out my mess of a Leagues Cup inter continental competition, and thus also fixing the schedules for CPL teams and cups playing during the Leagues Cups, or International Windows

 

I obviously cant control the other Concacaf nations, but including them in a Leagues Cup might help somewhat

 

As for the Foreign player ratio, that one isnt being touched, though I am willing to consider changing it from "In Playing 11" to "In Starting 11". The real life rule is 5 international players in the Starting 11, but I liked it in the Playing 11 to make it more of a puzzle

 

Other than that, I really dont want to touch the MLS, it is far too easy to break lol