Popular Post JBZ Posted November 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) Swiss down to level 5 with OFV region extended to level 7. 99% True to Life with high quality detail and rigorous testing.Having made this league extension for years, should be optimized both for realism and gameplay. Intended for a Liechtenstein save/challenge as makes all teams playable, but also can be used for any Swiss lower-league save (with credits below to a couple of excellent files I borrowed some advanced rules from) Activates recently voted for "Scottish system" for Super League from 23 -24 (Not sure if allowed to post links to other sites, but credit to dave on a German-language SI site for sharing his excellent file from which I borrowed the rules) Swiss Cup has 100% correct qualification Swiss Promotion League (level 3) activated with 100% real rules including player eligibility (including U21 teams), season periods, Swiss Cup qualification & realistic finances Swiss First League Classic (level 4) activated with 100% real rules including play-offs, player eligibility (including U21 teams), season periods, Swiss Cup qualification & realistic finances Swiss Second League Regional (level 5) activated with 90% real rules* including best runners-up, season periods & Swiss Cup qualification * This is where it becomes a Liechtenstein database as rather than shrink the 5 divisions to 4 as will happen in real-life (Feno's file built off dave's on the same German language site if you want the accurate structure (though doesn't have Swiss Cup qualification) credit to that other excellent file for helping me understand how to get best runners-up working and dealing with the change in structure), I've kept 5 and only activated relegation to the OFV region below, which is activated to the next 2 levels. This asymmetric database is to make all Liechtenstein teams playable (OFV is the East Swiss region, 1 of 13, to which the LFV teams are affiliated) in a 100% true to life structure (from 23-24) without having to create 100s of teams (and more importantly for gameplay speed, have them using processing time to process results/transfers) OFV Regional 2 & 3 (6th & 7th tiers) with 100% real teams and 99% real rules* including promotion/relegation, regional championship, season periods & Swiss Cup qualification tournaments * Exception is the first season when the top 3 of each league get promoted to allow for league restructuring from 23-24 Regional U18 divisions set up (so all playable teams have U18 matches) Extra file with additional real Liechtenstein Under-17 squad players (too young to set up in the official database until next season- this should provide enough players to make the Liechtenstein Under 19 national team manageable) Background to the Liechtenstein teams: Vaduz The dominant Liechtenstein Club, perennial Cup winners (a record 48 times) and the only to have played in the Swiss top-flight (or indeed the top two tiers) as well as being the only professional outfit. Currently in the Challenge League (2nd level) and this season qualified for the Group Stage of European competition for the first time in the Conference League, where they were competitive despite bowing out with only 2 points. Squad is mostly foreign with 4 or 5 Liechtenstein players in the first-team squad, but with Vaduz representing all of Liechtenstein in the U18s, many of the Liechtenstein youth-players are attached. Vaduz 2 also play in the OFV 2 League (6th level). Play at the national stadium USV Eschen/Mauren Semi-professional The second-best team in recent years, the last team to wrest the Cup from Vaduz in 2012, though only fourth in the all-time list with 5 titles in total. Currently in the First League Classic (4th tier) and have never played higher than this though have made the promotion play-offs a couple of time. USV 2 also play in the OFV 3 League (7th level) Stadium is used for the U-21 national team Balzers Semi-professional Historically the second most successful with 11 Cups, but last in 1997. Currently in the 2 Liga Interregional (5th level) having been relegated last season. Never played higher than the First League Classic. Balzers 2 also play in the OFV 3 League (7th level) Ruggell Amateur. Never won the Cup, though reached the final 7 times Currently in the OFV 3 League (7th level) having been relegated last season (though were top of the 6th level just two years before when the season was curtailed by the pandemic) Have the best training facilities as national team facilities are based in Ruggell. Schaan Amateur. Won the Cup 3 teams, last in 1994 Currently in the OFV 3 League (7th level), and spent a single season in the 2 Liga Regional ten years ago, before plummeting as low as the 8th level Triesenberg Amateur. Never won the Cup, reaching the final for the first and only time so far in 2015. Currently in the OFV 3 League (7th level) Triesen Amateur. If there's such a thing as a sleeping giant in Liechtenstein, it's Triesen who dominated the early years of the Cup in the last century. Still third in the all-time list with 8 titles, though none since 1975 (which was the last-time they reached the final) Currently in the OFV 3 League (7th level) LIEC U17 NAT players.fmf Swiss OFV.fmf Edited November 24, 2022 by JBZ spelling 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Superb work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikeagles Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Thank you. is there a possibility whether FC Vaduz can participate in the CL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oskumustatuli Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Is it possible to pump up the reputation of Liechtenstein and by so Liechtenstein Cup until the winner of cup qualifies for CL..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamnobody Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 hours ago, erikeagles said: Thank you. is there a possibility whether FC Vaduz can participate in the CL? I believe the only way Vaduz can get to Europe is through the LIechtenstein Cup. The winner of the Cup goes into the Euro II. If you win the Euro II then you go to the Europa League. Win that and you go to the Champions League. So, yes it is possible, but it is difficult. I'm trying to do it now as Balzers on FM22, but it's a tough road. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikeagles Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 @iamnobody thanks for your reply. Sounds very difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabianca.alex Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Did you create players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobjuh Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 17 hours ago, iamnobody said: I believe the only way Vaduz can get to Europe is through the LIechtenstein Cup. The winner of the Cup goes into the Euro II. If you win the Euro II then you go to the Europa League. Win that and you go to the Champions League. So, yes it is possible, but it is difficult. I'm trying to do it now as Balzers on FM22, but it's a tough road. That is correct, I did that in FM20. I started with Schaan in 7th tier and ended up being in 3 CL finals (only winning 1) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted November 24, 2022 Author Share Posted November 24, 2022 17 hours ago, cabianca.alex said: Did you create players? Only the Liechtenstein U17 players in the additional file. But the Swiss research team have done a good job with the database this year, most 2LR teams have full squads and the OFV teams mostly have at least a few players (apart from the brand new teams I had to create in the database) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSlappy Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Thank you so much for doing this, @JBZI love to load up the European minnows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirk1973 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Thank you very much for your great work Greetting Dirk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokemen Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Great job, man. I was just doing a game with Vaduz on FM22 and not having a playable league for Vaduz II has annoyed me a lot. I won't have this problem on FM23. Can I share your link in the fmsite.net Spanish community forums? https://www.fmsite.net/forums/topic/92100-principes-de-un-microestado-en-los-alpes/#comments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) On 29/11/2022 at 11:52, kokemen said: Great job, man. I was just doing a game with Vaduz on FM22 and not having a playable league for Vaduz II has annoyed me a lot. I won't have this problem on FM23. Can I share your link in the fmsite.net Spanish community forums? https://www.fmsite.net/forums/topic/92100-principes-de-un-microestado-en-los-alpes/#comments Sure thing (yeah one of the reasons I made it was so II teams get proper fixtures- also find they get jaded as play top many games if in II teams in unplayable leagues) Edited November 30, 2022 by JBZ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branst23 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Any known bugs in this database? Just testing before I start my save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 On 07/12/2022 at 08:33, Branst23 said: Any known bugs in this database? Just testing before I start my save. I'm pretty sure not, holidayed for 10 years+ before finalizing to check and no issues with my own save so far a season and a half in. But can't rule it out 100%, anyone finds any, don't be shy... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
11juanetes11 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 can you do it for fm22 please? i tried use it but it does generate some problems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted January 19, 2023 Author Share Posted January 19, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 23:27, 11juanetes11 said: can you do it for fm22 please? i tried use it but it does generate some problems I made a version last year for FM22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crivo Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Hi JBZ, great work! Do you plan to release an updated version compatible with the last FM db (23.3)? thanks! D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
certay Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Hey awesome work. Can u please update this for last version of FM ?? (23.3) Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted March 6, 2023 Author Share Posted March 6, 2023 Maybe if I have time, but problem is one of the teams in the 3rd level has gone bust, so will need to tweak the rules quite a lot to account for one less team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crivo Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 On 06/03/2023 at 22:20, JBZ said: Maybe if I have time, but problem is one of the teams in the 3rd level has gone bust, so will need to tweak the rules quite a lot to account for one less team A possibile solution / workaround could be to re-put Chiasso in the promotion league (not sure if the club still exist in the db) and give them something like a -90 points deduction or similar, so the will be relegated for sure... not sure if that's possible though. I did take a look in the db and I'm not sure if Chiasso is still there; in "real life" their future is still unclear - first league, second, merge with other club(s), start from 0 .. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSlappy Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Chiasso is in the database but it's flagged as extinct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSlappy Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I unflagged Chiasso as extinct and then added them back to the Promotion League and everything verified correctly for 23.3. I'm currently on holiday and the first two seasons have passed without any problems. FYI, Chiasso was relegated in the first season, finishing last in the Promotion Division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted March 30, 2023 Author Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) On 11/03/2023 at 10:36, crivo said: A possibile solution / workaround could be to re-put Chiasso in the promotion league (not sure if the club still exist in the db) and give them something like a -90 points deduction or similar, so the will be relegated for sure... not sure if that's possible though. I did take a look in the db and I'm not sure if Chiasso is still there; in "real life" their future is still unclear - first league, second, merge with other club(s), start from 0 .. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That's a good shout- have done that and uploaded for the latest 23.4 update (There is a points deduction option in the database, but doesn't seem to apply in game- probably I've got a setting slightly wrong. I might see if I can fix this later but Chiasso should get relegated most of the time anyway as they don't start with any players FIXED) Swiss OFV 23.4 v2.fmf Edited March 30, 2023 by JBZ File updated 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burakcakil Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 can you update the file please? most of the teams, stadium even the lower leagues' id's messed up. yesterday i did not have any problem but tonight they all messed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domoboy23 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) Probably me being an idiot. But I notice that the vanilla version of FM already had the new style league format for the following season. I've also noticed some discrepancies between the European qualifying parts. A) This DB - why are only the 3rd and 5th positions dependent on the winner of the cup, but not 4th? B - the original I'm also confused for both as to why multiple spots depend on the winner of the cup rather than just one? Edited May 24, 2023 by Domoboy23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilefton Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 To me it seems like the league did end up on two different league coefficiency places in your simulations. In the first screenshot the champion ends up in the 3rd qualifying stage whereas in the second it's a direct CL qualification. I'm not entirely sure how the cup dependency works, but if that's the case it wouldn't be comparable. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 On 23/05/2023 at 01:41, burakcakil said: can you update the file please? most of the teams, stadium even the lower leagues' id's messed up. yesterday i did not have any problem but tonight they all messed up. It sounds like something at your end and shouldn't suddenly change overnight without a version update. Did you install other editor files? they might be confllcting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 On 25/05/2023 at 07:54, xilefton said: To me it seems like the league did end up on two different league coefficiency places in your simulations. In the first screenshot the champion ends up in the 3rd qualifying stage whereas in the second it's a direct CL qualification. I'm not entirely sure how the cup dependency works, but if that's the case it wouldn't be comparable. Yep that's it, just ended up with Swiss coefficient being different between the two games, which determines how many teams qualify for Europe and how may for each of the three competitions. Assuming the coefficient is high enough to get a Europe League place, the Cup winners will get, unless they have already qualified for the Champions League, in which case the highest league team not qualifying for the Champions League gets Europe League instead of Conference League Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dino88 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Hi, does this have real results and promotions for 23/24 season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 On 27/05/2023 at 21:58, JBZ said: Yep that's it, just ended up with Swiss coefficient being different between the two games, which determines how many teams qualify for Europe and how may for each of the three competitions. Assuming the coefficient is high enough to get a Europe League place, the Cup winners will get, unless they have already qualified for the Champions League, in which case the highest league team not qualifying for the Champions League gets Europe League instead of Conference League Have you set the European qualifiers in your file, or is that the game selecting them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 24/07/2023 at 13:26, dino88 said: Hi, does this have real results and promotions for 23/24 season? Sorry for late reply- no, besides being a lot of work I heard this prevents changes in league structure working from one season to another ( as there was between 22/23 & 23/24) FM24 round the corner, I plan to release an updated file for that 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 06/08/2023 at 13:13, Wolf_pd said: Have you set the European qualifiers in your file, or is that the game selecting them? I didn't - what the OP was referring to was change in coefficients from one season to another (probably misunderstanding how it works IRL) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vakama2619 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 11 hours ago, JBZ said: FM24 round the corner, I plan to release an updated file for that Will download again! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branst23 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 On 18/10/2023 at 12:28, JBZ said: I didn't - what the OP was referring to was change in coefficients from one season to another (probably misunderstanding how it works IRL) Hi @JBZ, thanks for your work on the databases over the years. Looking to start my Lietch save when the database is out, do you have a rough estimate when you expect it to be released? Not chasing but just want to know how invested I should get in a save I'm starting now if it will be soon out haha! Thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 12 hours ago, Branst23 said: Hi @JBZ, thanks for your work on the databases over the years. Looking to start my Lietch save when the database is out, do you have a rough estimate when you expect it to be released? Not chasing but just want to know how invested I should get in a save I'm starting now if it will be soon out haha! Thanks again Very shortly- just been testing on holiday 15 seasons with no crashes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adesmir Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 vor 2 Minuten schrieb JBZ: Very shortly- just been testing on holiday 15 seasons with no crashes Are you creating the file with the reduction of the second league group 1 to 16 teams in season 2024/25 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, adesmir said: Are you creating the file with the reduction of the second league group 1 to 16 teams in season 2024/25 ? No, I thought about it but below the Second League it is set up asymmetrically similar to last year, with only relegation to the OFV activated anyway so not 100% true to life below the 5th tier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adesmir Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 vor 10 Minuten schrieb JBZ: No, I thought about it but below the Second League it is set up asymmetrically similar to last year, with only relegation to the OFV activated anyway so not 100% true to life below the 5th tier. that's sad. the only little thing to make lower leagues perfect, at least down to 2nd league interregional Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, adesmir said: that's sad. the only little thing to make lower leagues perfect, at least down to 2nd league interregional Maybe, but the intention of the database at the lower levels is more to play as one of the Liechtenstein teams (Can of course be used for Swiss teams too, but not below 2nd league interregional- I played with setting up more expanded 2.Liga Regional & 3.Liga Regional in previous FM versions, but just wasn't worth the database effort plus found detrimental to gameplay having so many weak teams setup) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 The new database is ready for FM24! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branst23 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, JBZ said: Very shortly- just been testing on holiday 15 seasons with no crashes Great. Will test in the morning and let you know if any bugs before I dive into my save! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamisei Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Hi @JBZ, I'm having a problem. When I try to play with your db, I don't get the tier 3 to tier 7 leagues, do you know why? My FM23 db is 23.4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 16 hours ago, Kamisei said: Hi @JBZ, I'm having a problem. When I try to play with your db, I don't get the tier 3 to tier 7 leagues, do you know why? My FM23 db is 23.4 Unless you've got a conflicting file, probably you didn't select the divisions to be down to tier 7 when you started the game. It defaults to Challenge League and above, you need to select the level you want to go down to before starting a new game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelm Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Is it possible to play this datafile in fm 24? When yes, how is it to install? Thanks, Mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBZ Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 20 hours ago, michaelm said: Is it possible to play this datafile in fm 24? When yes, how is it to install? Thanks, Mate It's not- but not to worry, it is possible to play this one with FM 24: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelm Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 thanks mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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