[FM23] Rob's History Update 2023 v9.00 - 08/09/2023

[Rob 396]

Intro - 

 

Although Football Manager 2023 is the best management sim around, I've always found it lacking in the History and Research department .. sometimes it feels like the Researchers have a 'that'll do' mentality - and the lack of in-game immersion in the form of Competition biographies is pretty shocking by 2023

So as a History student, and football lover, and all round autistic nerd - I have worked very hard over the last two editions of FM to rectify this as much as possible in my spare time
 

Immersion Manager 2023 ..

 

Files -

01A Rob's History Update 2023 v9.00 - the Editor File, goes into Documents > Sports Interactive > Football Manager 2023 > Editor Data (remember to tick it when starting a new game and selecting which additional Database files you want to use) .. (and remember to delete any old versions you have)

1. Rob's History Update 2023 v.9.00 - Trophies - the trophy pack, goes into Documents > Sports Interactive > Football Manager 2023 > Graphics

 

NOTE - I have not amended any Club, Award, Nation, Competition, or any default-database items within my History Update file - any name changes in the below screenshots are a result of me using my own external Real Name file, so you can use this alongside ANY 'Real Name Fix' file of your choosing

 

Optional/Additional Files - 

 

[FM23] ITCH, ETCH & ATCH - International, European & Americas Team Competition Histories - a great set of files by CFuller which complement my work perfectly - 100% recommended

 

(Please see the reserved post underneath this one for planned future updates)

 

Some screenshots and description examples as of v.6.00 - please see latest posts in thread for any changes - I will update this posts' screenshots at a later date

 

Some examples then ..

The main league I have split up is the English Premier League, because it always irked me that it would show Tottenham Hotspur as winning the Premier League

Through the usage of Stage Names, I have found that many old competition names can be added without the need to split leagues - but given the overhaul in 1992, I feel that it is still appropriate for the Premier League to stand alone on it's own merits

Man United as an example -

I also painstakingly added club by club, line by line, the Domestic History for the leagues I have created - for all English clubs in the league system

Which calculates in the Records accordingly

I have also done this for the Austrian league, given it already separates the Bundesliga, formed in 1974, to the Nationalliga itself in the default database - 

And the usage of Stage Names means I can add former competition names WITHOUT having to split any Competitions, like so - 

I have also used the Stage Name feature to add information into Competitions, and some History, like so - 

The Yugoslavian, Czechoslovakian, and Soviet Union league histories have been filled to full effect - here's a full page example of what it looks like in-game

And as you can see I have also added a lot of friendly competitions

I have added descriptions via Stage Names for as many Extinct competitions as I could thus far - I feel this adds a certain level of immersion which is impossible in the default game

 

Here are some more nuggets - there are many more in-game for you to find

 

Edited September 8, 2023 by Rob 396

[Rob 396]

Post reserved for future update news

 

Planned updates for v.6.00, which will most likely be released after the next main SI Games January Update - 

- General tidying (ongoing)

- More description/history via Stage Names (ongoing)

- description/history line amendments for FIFA World Cup - completed 19/12/2022

- Changing '(neé ..)', to '(formerly..)  - as suggested by user White Flag, completed 19/12/2022

- further Brazilian league description/history re-CBF/FBS/CBD/'Clube dos 13' split - completed 19/12

- further Copa America description/history - completed 19/12

- further Argentine league description/history, re-dissident leagues - completed 19/12/2022

- further Italian Serie A description/history for the early years - completed 19/12/2022

- additional history added for various scandals in France and Italy, like Calciopoli - completed 19/12/2022

- additional description/history lines for UEFA competitions regarding Heysel English ban - completed 19/12/2022

- amendments made to Portuguese Primeira Liga - completed 19/12/2022

- Belgian league - completed 19/12/2022

- additional description/history added for the FIFA World Cup, European Euros, FA Cup, Premier League - completed 20/12/2022

 

The next version v.9.00 will most likely be released after the usual SI Games January/Feb update - just incase it changes any Unique IDs, and sometimes it can do weird things like revert league histories, which happened on FM22

Edited January 7, 2023 by Rob 396

[alian62]

Looks awesome.  Going to try it out 

[Rob 396]

Re-uploaded because I noticed a small issue with the World Cup history, must have been caused by a recent patch and unseen until .. you know, AFTER I uploaded it ..

[phnompenhandy]

1 hour ago, Rob 396 said:

Re-uploaded because I noticed a small issue with the World Cup history, must have been caused by a recent patch and unseen until .. you know, AFTER I uploaded it ..

which one - the small file or the big folder?

[Rob 396]

35 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said:

which one - the small file or the big folder?

just the Editor Data file - Rob's History Update 2023 v5.00

[thebsama]

That's completely nuts, love to see it as a brazilian. Would be completely awesome if they took it to the official game.

[White Flag]

16 hours ago, Rob 396 said:

Apologies for the scatter-gun nature of my screenshots, but it's Sunday and I wanted to get this posted asap

 

Please give it a download - have a browse around - Let me know if you spot any errors, mistakes, have any comments - positive or negative

Enjoy, I really hope this helps build some more immersion

 

And have a lovely evening, y'all

You asked for suggestions: great file, but the use of "née" is annoying me. This word is only used prior to stating a married woman's maiden name. It is never ever used in any other circumstance, never in the way it is used here. Substituting it with "formerly" would be more appropriate.

Thanks.

[Rob 396]

1 hour ago, White Flag said:

You asked for suggestions: great file, but the use of "née" is annoying me. This word is only used prior to stating a married woman's maiden name. It is never ever used in any other circumstance, never in the way it is used here. Substituting it with "formerly" would be more appropriate.

Thanks.

I can do that for v6.00

I just needed a way of making it as short as possible at the time

 

Cheers

Edited December 19, 2022 by Rob 396

[Rob 396]

1 hour ago, thebsama said:

That's completely nuts, love to see it as a brazilian. Would be completely awesome if they took it to the official game.

Obrigado

If you see anything wrong with what I have done for the Brazilian competitions, or South American comps in general, let me know - or if you have any requests or amendments, also let me know  

[Rob 396]

5 hours ago, White Flag said:

You asked for suggestions: great file, but the use of "née" is annoying me. This word is only used prior to stating a married woman's maiden name. It is never ever used in any other circumstance, never in the way it is used here. Substituting it with "formerly" would be more appropriate.

Thanks.

[White Flag]

1 hour ago, Rob 396 said:

 

That looks much better, thanks very much.

[Rob 396]

What do we think of this type of thing, yay or nay?

I would legit only do it for a handful of key competitions

Edited December 20, 2022 by Rob 396

[gmrb]

Wow, that's a wonderful job!

[Rob 396]

[valve]

Reminds me of the football history snippets we had in CM3, but is that really necessary these days, with a wealth of information all around the net?

[Rob 396]

1 hour ago, valve said:

Reminds me of the football history snippets we had in CM3, but is that really necessary these days, with a wealth of information all around the net?

I miss information snippets

I think it's pretty poor that SI Games have the monopoly on the football management simulator, but totally ignore having historical and biographical depth in game

You'd think at least for licenced leagues they'd be able to implement such a feature, then leave it open on the Editor for people to add their own

*anyway, I've only gone into such depth for a few competitions, as many as I can be bothered doing before the Jan update  hah

Edited December 20, 2022 by Rob 396

[valve]

I understand your wishes, but FM is a game about the future. History is only there as a prop.

Maybe one day someone will write a proper "replay simulator" that will allow to manage any team in any historical season, like in baseball.

Edited December 20, 2022 by valve

[Rob 396]

Preview release of v.6.00, for anyone who wants to check it out early

https://www.mediafire.com/file/v4xnf1md1muqwfj/01A+Rob's+History+Update+2023+v6.00+PREVIEW.fmf/file

- Thought I'd share a pre-release of v.6.00 for anyone who wants to have a look around - it's fully usable ofcourse

- Please let me know what you think of my changes, specifically to the History of the FA Cup, English Premier League, UEFA Champions League, Super Cup, Europa League, World Cup, European Championship, and Copa Libertadores

- I'm still working on this, so this is still WIP - but I'd love your feedback - yay or nay, good or bad - cheers

 

[Rob 396]

v.7.00 Released - see post #1 for updated Mediafire links

- General tidying

- More, more, more historical information added to the game via Stage Names

- Mainly .. I decided to re-incorporate the old English divisions back into the pre-existing leagues, as per the below screenshots - a few people said they didn't like the split, and now I had a chance to do some history/descriptions via the Stage Names - so win win

 

I'm really happy with how this is progressing, it gives me old Champ Manager vibes with the historical info snippets

 

*Just a reminder that my History file does not include any name changes for the default competitions, any name changes in my screenshots are due to me also using my own Club/Comp/Award Name File whilst running the game

 

Optional - 

 

*I would recommend re-downloading the Trophy pack

*I have also updated the Club/Comp/Award Name File that I made for personal use, should anyone be interested in a more traditional naming format for comps (no sponsor names)

 

 

I will most likely have to re-visit this next after the big SI Games update in Feb - as it usually introduces more Unique ID's which will push my trophy pack etc. out of sync

 

v.7.00 examples - just a few screenshots showing changes for v.7.00
 

Edited January 3, 2023 by Rob 396

[valve]

In 1988, the Football League celebrated its centenary. Why does the text refer to "one hundred and four years" then? Apparently this snippet was meant for 1992?

Selection of clubs for the Bundesliga did not occur by invitation, but by a complicated process that took into account performance in recent seasons and in some cases non-sporting considerations (pushing for members from Saarland and West Berlin, for example).

Edited January 4, 2023 by valve

[Rob 396]

1 hour ago, valve said:

In 1988, the Football League celebrated its centenary. Why does the text refer to "one hundred and four years" then? Apparently this snippet was meant for 1992?

Selection of clubs for the Bundesliga did not occur by invitation, but by a complicated process that took into account performance in recent seasons and in some cases non-sporting considerations (pushing for members from Saarland and West Berlin, for example).

I shall amend or move that first information snippet where necessary - but just be aware that not all snippets are directly related to the exact year where the Stage name is entered, sometimes it may just be a bit of general information relating to the end of a tournament, or several years which preceded the snippet, or a piece of information generalising an era.

Let me know if you spot anything else - cheers 

*I should say, 'these will be amended for v.8.00'

re: Bundesliga, is this better? - 

"The formation of the Bundesliga in 1963 marked a significant change to the German football championship. The historical regional league and national playoff format was abandoned in favour of a single unified national league. Sixteen teams from the five Oberligen in place at the time were selected to be part of the new league, based on things such as performances in recent seasons; or in the case of teams from Saarland and West Berlin, for non-sporting/political reasons. This change formally acknowledged the sport as professional, rather than amateur."

Edited January 4, 2023 by Rob 396

[Jorgen]

@Rob 396 Very nice work! Will look for the FM22 version for when I start a new savegame

[ryza22]

Polish league name, its PBS Bank Ekstraklasa, Fortuna 1 Liga and eWinner 2 Liga. Not Polish 2 liga polska w piłce nożnej, Polish 1 liga w piłce nożnej and Polish ekstraklasa w piłce nożnej, this is not correct name, and fix Belgian league, its Jupiler League and Challanger Pro League..

Edited January 7, 2023 by ryza22

[Rob 396]

49 minutes ago, ryza22 said:

Polish league name, its PBS Bank Ekstraklasa, Fortuna 1 Liga and eWinner 2 Liga. Not Polish 2 liga polska w piłce nożnej, Polish 1 liga w piłce nożnej and Polish ekstraklasa w piłce nożnej, this is not correct name, and fix Belgian league, its Jupiler League and Challanger Pro League..

1. No league names are changed in my history file, as I put on the main post - 

NOTE - I have not amended any Club, Award, Nation, Competition, or any default-database Names within my History Update file - any name changes in the below screenshots are a result of me using my own external Real Name file, so you can use this alongside ANY 'Real Name Fix' file

 

2. The Name file I uploaded (which I am assuming you also downloaded) is purely optional, as stated in the main post - you don't have to use it - I'm old school and prefer traditional long names, and without sponsors, which I find tacky at best - if you prefer sponsor names, then you are best of getting the Sortitoutsi Real Name Fix file or something

Cheers

Edited January 7, 2023 by Rob 396

[Sandro90]

Great job Rob! CFuller files are working with yours without any doubling? 🙂

[Rob 396]

7 hours ago, Utta said:

Great job Rob! CFuller files are working with yours without any doubling? 🙂

That's right, no doubling 

[Rob 396]

.. God I wish there was a way of amending the Hall of Fame

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Rob 396

[Rob 396]

This is disappointing, amendments to the Australian league don't show in game - must be hard coded - same with the Mexican cup, oddly .. I hate the hard coded leagues!

[oche balboa]

Weirdly it will not let me download the graphics kit.  it goes to around 45mb downloads and starting again....Bizarre 

Edited February 22, 2023 by oche balboa

[TheWizard65]

Fantastic work admiration for the work you put in keep it up!

[Rob 396]

15 hours ago, TheWizard65 said:

Fantastic work admiration for the work you put in keep it up!

Thank you 

I've been adding to this since v.7.00

Once the Winter Update 23.3.0 is released, I'll double check everything is OK with this and release v.8.00

Sometimes the Winter Update can bring in new Competitions which pushes the Unique ID out (messing up the trophy pack), and sometimes the Winter Update can revert competition history (usually with the German competitions) which it did on FM22.

[Rob 396]

v.8.00 released

- Trophy pack updated with new Unique IDs post Winter Update

- History Update tinkered with since v7.00, adding new trophies, and even more competition information

 

(If you spot any issues, please let me know - sometimes the Winter Update can erase changes - fingers crossed)

 

Files -

01A Rob's History Update 2023 v8.00 - the Editor File, goes into Documents > Sports Interactive > Football Manager 2023 > Editor Data (remember to tick it when starting a new game and selecting which additional Database files you want to use) .. (and remember to delete any old versions you have)

1. Rob's History Update 2023 v.8.00 - Trophies - the trophy pack, goes into Documents > Sports Interactive > Football Manager 2023 > Graphics

Edited March 3, 2023 by Rob 396

[evilmonster]

On 03/01/2023 at 20:38, Rob 396 said:

 

Just a small note about the Hillsborough Disaster, its generally now considered that the number is 97 as one of the fans injured later died from their injuries.

[Rob 396]

4 hours ago, evilmonster said:

Just a small note about the Hillsborough Disaster, its generally now considered that the number is 97 as one of the fans injured later died from their injuries.

I'll get that amended for the next version. Cheers.

[evilmonster]

19 hours ago, Rob 396 said:

I'll get that amended for the next version. Cheers.

Great stuff.

Looking forward to the next update as I'll be starting a new save soon with the winter update, so the time should be good.

[Rob 396]

1 hour ago, evilmonster said:

Great stuff.

Looking forward to the next update as I'll be starting a new save soon with the winter update, so the time should be good.

Nice one - the current uploaded version is compatible with the Winter Update btw

Not going to lie, not sure when v.9.00 will be out - I've fallen out of love with FM a bit whilst other good games have been released - need a break for a bit!

[evilmonster]

On 27/03/2023 at 17:03, Rob 396 said:

Nice one - the current uploaded version is compatible with the Winter Update btw

Not going to lie, not sure when v.9.00 will be out - I've fallen out of love with FM a bit whilst other good games have been released - need a break for a bit!

Thanks, thats good to know.

I get what you mean about FM, I sometimes skip years entirely. My playing of FM22 was severely curtailed by health problems as well so never really progressed far with that, and by the time I was in a position to return to gaming on a PC, we were already at 23.2.

[Rob 396]

14 hours ago, evilmonster said:

Thanks, thats good to know.

I get what you mean about FM, I sometimes skip years entirely. My playing of FM22 was severely curtailed by health problems as well so never really progressed far with that, and by the time I was in a position to return to gaming on a PC, we were already at 23.2.

Just to confirm, this pack works with the 23.4 update rolled out today - no Competition Unique ID changes and thus no need to update the Trophy Pack

I will get back into this soon for v.9.00, maybe on my down-time whilst working from home

[_Pacu]

The links went down. Any info when it will be up again?

 

[anas.salama949]

On 03/03/2023 at 20:57, Rob 396 said:

Files -

01A Rob's History Update 2023 v8.00 - the Editor File, goes into Documents > Sports Interactive > Football Manager 2023 > Editor Data (remember to tick it when starting a new game and selecting which additional Database files you want to use) .. (and remember to delete any old versions you have)

1. Rob's History Update 2023 v.8.00 - Trophies - the trophy pack, goes into Documents > Sports Interactive > Football Manager 2023 > Graphics

Hey Rob. Looking forward to using your files, they look great! But the links are down. Any chance you could fix that please? Cheers 

[Rob 396]

6 hours ago, anas.salama949 said:

Hey Rob. Looking forward to using your files, they look great! But the links are down. Any chance you could fix that please? Cheers 

Ah so they are .. 

well in that case, here is version 9 that I started before taking myself away from FM for a bit - 

https://www.mediafire.com/file/86hmkkb6ho3s28r/01A_Robs_History_Update_2023_v9.00.fmf/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/bmnwvt8gmssmbw6/1._Rob%27s_History_Update_2023_v.9.00_-_Trophies.rar/file

[Rob 396]

Version 9.00 'released' because it looks like I may have accidentally put the older files into the Trash on Mediafire (and the bin is empty )

.. anyway, version 9.00 is what I was working on before I took myself away from FM around May - it has a few minor updates, and a few things I amended as of a few days ago (when I brought myself back to FM)

 

With regards to future updates

 

so it sounds like FM24 will use the same engine, and therefore, like FM22, before, will probably also let us load up older files before amendments - so if that's the case, I'll get on sorting this for FM24 as well

FM25 mind might require a whole new file .. but I'll worry about that in 2-years!

 

ciao for now x

[anas.salama949]

On 03/03/2023 at 20:57, Rob 396 said:

Files -

01A Rob's History Update 2023 v8.00 - the Editor File, goes into Documents > Sports Interactive > Football Manager 2023 > Editor Data (remember to tick it when starting a new game and selecting which additional Database files you want to use) .. (and remember to delete any old versions you have)

1. Rob's History Update 2023 v.8.00 - Trophies - the trophy pack, goes into Documents > Sports Interactive > Football Manager 2023 > Graphics

Ahh absolute legend. Thank you very much for your hard work Rob!  (rip to the previous files that got lost lol)

[anas.salama949]

@Rob 396 Hey Rob, just 3 quick questions if that's ok.

 

1. A lot of the old competition trophies aren't showing up. Put Spurs as an example below where it lists the Premier League instead of English First Division.

I think it's got to do with the trophy graphics file cos when I opened up the config file for that lots of trophies weren't in there at all to be connected to an ID. Any clue what the solution might be?

In the competition history tab it specifies First Division though, so that's good.

2. What's the real name file that you use and do I need to undo the changes I made to the inc files as per the Sortitoutsi Name Fix to use it?

3. Just checking, does this look like right?
 

 

Thanks in advance for your help mate

[Rob 396]

On 10/09/2023 at 04:23, anas.salama949 said:

@Rob 396 Hey Rob, just 3 quick questions if that's ok.

 

1. A lot of the old competition trophies aren't showing up. Put Spurs as an example below where it lists the Premier League instead of English First Division.

I think it's got to do with the trophy graphics file cos when I opened up the config file for that lots of trophies weren't in there at all to be connected to an ID. Any clue what the solution might be?

In the competition history tab it specifies First Division though, so that's good.

2. What's the real name file that you use and do I need to undo the changes I made to the inc files as per the Sortitoutsi Name Fix to use it?

3. Just checking, does this look like right?
 

 

Thanks in advance for your help mate

No this is all right,

The screenshots in post #1 are out of date, you'd need to check all the posts throughout the thread to see the evolution of the file

I just never got round to changing the screenshots in post #1 as I released updates

[Rob 396]

On 10/09/2023 at 04:23, anas.salama949 said:

@Rob 396 Hey Rob, just 3 quick questions if that's ok.

 

1. A lot of the old competition trophies aren't showing up. Put Spurs as an example below where it lists the Premier League instead of English First Division.

I think it's got to do with the trophy graphics file cos when I opened up the config file for that lots of trophies weren't in there at all to be connected to an ID. Any clue what the solution might be?

In the competition history tab it specifies First Division though, so that's good.

2. What's the real name file that you use and do I need to undo the changes I made to the inc files as per the Sortitoutsi Name Fix to use it?

3. Just checking, does this look like right?
 

 

Thanks in advance for your help mate

You'll notice the Honours list looks like this now - 



because I found that you could do this with stage names - 

[arturss1]

Brilliant work, I am impressed.
For me a must have, definitely improves realism and immersion.
Will there be an add-on for FM24?

[phnompenhandy]

3 minutes ago, arturss1 said:

Brilliant work, I am impressed.
For me a must have, definitely improves realism and immersion.
Will there be an add-on for FM24?

There already is

[FM24] Rob's History Update 2024 - v .2.00 Released