frewden Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Running a 4231 gegenpress and I need help to finetune it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 hours ago, frewden said: Running a 4231 gegenpress and I need help to finetune it In what way? Not scoring, conceding too many, playing rubbish football? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frewden Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 not scoring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frewden Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Johnny Ace said: In what way? Not scoring, conceding too many, playing rubbish football? not scoring goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, frewden said: not scoring goals Try the wide attackers on Support, I know it might sound counter productive but it might help if they try and create goals a little more than score them The BBM is another player going forward, you have an AM so he doesn't really need to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frewden Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Johnny Ace said: Try the wide attackers on Support, I know it might sound counter productive but it might help if they try and create goals a little more than score them The BBM is another player going forward, you have an AM so he doesn't really need to so what role should bbm be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, frewden said: so what role should bbm be? Just a CM(S) should cover it, or you could drop your CMs down to DMs to give the Wingbacks a bit more cover 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CARRERA Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Help your players to better understand how you want them to play by increasing tactical familiarity. Right now they are not capable of executing all tasks sufficiently. Gegenpress is a very aggressive playstyle both in and out of possession. So naturally a higher mentality (positive or attacking) is more suitable. @Johnny Ace already gave you some ideas on how different roles & duties could positively affect your game. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud9 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 13 hours ago, frewden said: not scoring goals I like putting "roam from position" on the 10 in a 4-2-3-1 when breaking down opposition. W/ a high defensive line and high press you could try removing "pass into space" if you're not scoring enough goals. Prevent short gk distribution is strangely unhelpful in a high press, basically it leads to the opposition gk booting the ball over your press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frewden Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 4 hours ago, Cloud9 said: I like putting "roam from position" on the 10 in a 4-2-3-1 when breaking down opposition. W/ a high defensive line and high press you could try removing "pass into space" if you're not scoring enough goals. Prevent short gk distribution is strangely unhelpful in a high press, basically it leads to the opposition gk booting the ball over your press. ill try these, i lready removed pass into space it wasnt working Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frewden Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 8 hours ago, CARRERA said: Help your players to better understand how you want them to play by increasing tactical familiarity. Right now they are not capable of executing all tasks sufficiently. Gegenpress is a very aggressive playstyle both in and out of possession. So naturally a higher mentality (positive or attacking) is more suitable. @Johnny Ace already gave you some ideas on how different roles & duties could positively affect your game. im trying to get the tactical familiarity up, by running tactical sessions every week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
denen123 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 23 hours ago, frewden said: Running a 4231 gegenpress and I need help to finetune it Too many instructions. Some (in possesion instructions), just make your play slow and thus, isolates you AF who is dependent on runs behind the defense line. The pivot is fine, the issue is that your BBM is essentially supposed to free up the AM from deep duties. You could change the duty of the AM to attack so he does not interfere. The right winger and left winger can assume support duty roles. Both fullbacks are wide and aggressive. That isolates both CBs in transition. A BPDde behind a dlpd or CDM I just space Interference. BPD can switch to lcb and be told to dribble more to take up space in transitions. (In transition) instructions also. Counter and counterpress isn't a problem. It works. But why not just counterpress? Why take short pass to fullbacks? Play out of defence forces your CBs to drop deep and spread wide. The fullbacks stretch the pitch. The easiest pass is to your CBs. You don't want your GK always trying difficult passes I build up, so go for the safest, at all times, especially with the quality of players. (Out of possesion) instructions are a lot. Test what each individual instruction does, then try and make things simpler to adjust to your game/style of play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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