FM24 Early Access Official Feedback Thread

[MrPompey]

54 minutes ago, rdbayly said:

You have to combine it with my previous post about the conversation in which he said he wanted to leave, and he was upset that I'd not respected his initial decision. The very next post (minutes later in-game) is him now saying he's not made up his mind. Anyway I've made my point so not going round in circles. I post in here for the developers to read. 

You'd be better raising a bug report if you want it looked at to be honest

 

[Novem9]

2 часа назад, dunk105 сказал:

Realise why you wouldnt, but tbh I just tell them to f**k off as always seems to be my fringe or young players nagging.

Also worth save scumming here, as sometimes you will find if you're established and successful that they will back down.

I was afraid of disgruntled players in the dressing room. In recent years, I have not caved in to ALL their wishes. In many ways, this came with journeyman, because there have always been and will be dissatisfied in new clubs. Flight is normal

[greenz81]

6 hours ago, fc.cadoni said:

Choosing Negative answers or Storm Out can damage a lot of things and be careful when choose it (especially when your Motivating, Media Handling Style are low).

From manual:

Media Handling

This attribute is representative of your dealings with the media: how you interact with journalists, how often you attend press conferences, and whether you keep your players happy with your responses to public questions. Attending press conferences will certainly boost the attribute while delegating them to a member of your backroom staff or storming out of them altogether will see it quickly plateau or even drop.

====

Media answers and narrative is very simple and rule of thumb is not to be negative.

Simulating real-life situations shouldn't need a manual to read from.... it should be simulating real life. This is when context should come into play. Why did they switch off? SI please give context to reponses.. (switched off due to frustration)

[fc.cadoni]

7 minutes ago, greenz81 said:

Simulating real-life situations shouldn't need a manual to read from.... it should be simulating real life. This is when context should come into play. Why did they switch off? SI please give context to reponses.. (switched off due to frustration)

From the other hand is game and not real life. 

I can understand the point-of-view of some improvements, for sure, this part of the game has a lot of potential.

Who's want to work with negative approach from the other hand? Like nobody, which being reflected inside the game.

[greenz81]

52 minutes ago, fc.cadoni said:

From the other hand is game and not real life. 

I can understand the point-of-view of some improvements, for sure, this part of the game has a lot of potential.

Who's want to work with negative approach from the other hand? Like nobody, which being reflected inside the game.

Thus the word 'simulating'. I play games like Mount and Blade 2, Civilization series, XCom series, crusader kings, Stelleris... Very complex games AI wise. They seem to get the basics right, whereas FM never seems to get 'common sense' right. It's not a dig, just a comparison 

Edited October 31, 2023 by greenz81

[Domoboy23]

I'm about 20 games into a championship season, and from looking at 6 random sides, only two of them have had a single game with one goal or less in them... just one 1-0 and one 0-0. No others...

[rdbayly]

Some geezer just bought out Karen Brady and Co.

I requested that they increase my transfer budget and they accepted. Really pleased with the new total...

[KeegBCFC]

8 minutes ago, rdbayly said:

Some geezer just bought out Karen Brady and Co.

I requested that they increase my transfer budget and they accepted. Really pleased with the new total...

Don't spend it all at once

[janrzm]

7 hours ago, rdbayly said:

Another beauty:

I'm informed that Soucek is considering his options at the end of his contract. The conversation goes like this:

Me: I thought you were happy here?

Him: No I want to leave

Me: Oh, I apologise

Him:

 

A 'catastrophic drop in morale' and the conversation has 'driven a wedge' between you and Soucek 

Mate, I've only been here a fortnight.

 

Its very clear to me that his final response to you should have been - "You've made a mistake here. You should have saved your game before we had this interaction.........."

Edited October 31, 2023 by janrzm

[brawla123]

Anyone notice a huge amount of shots hitting the post?

[craiigman]

Running into the issue of everyone wanting a new contract and upsetting everyone if don't give them one, and they all want "important player" status and then I say no, they exit talks.

[janrzm]

Thoughts on contract negotiations and wage demands. I'm seeing very little negotiation, so far I've had to agree to exactly what was being asked for first time round or I might be able to shave a tiny amount off. Way less movement than previous versions?

[Fritz13]

The signing of only 6 U21 players from overseas rule in the UK - when does the season start/finish exactly?
 

Is a new season simply once the summer window commences at the beginning of June?

[Iakovenko]

93rd min and I'm 1-0 down with time wasting set to never.

"Pickford is in no rush to take this kick"

Then proceeds to pass it to their striker and its 2-0

[craiigman]

37 minutes ago, janrzm said:

Thoughts on contract negotiations and wage demands. I'm seeing very little negotiation, so far I've had to agree to exactly what was being asked for first time round or I might be able to shave a tiny amount off. Way less movement than previous versions?

Also finding that as well - players/their agents seem very very stubborn

[Purple Bane]

Saka finally happy to stay at the club after 4 windows of wanting to join one of the Saudi clubs but still won't even discuss improving his contract because Al Nassr and Al Hilal remain interested...

[Domoboy23]

Shots just go through keepers far too easily

[craiigman]

22 minutes ago, Domoboy23 said:

Shots just go through keepers far too easily

My guess is it's to do with the animations, but yeah definately comes across like that

[dzek]

2 hours ago, brawla123 said:

Anyone notice a huge amount of shots hitting the post?

Upload here some .pkm files or videos. This issue was from FM23 and it still happens on FM24.

[rdbayly]

1 hour ago, Domoboy23 said:

Shots just go through keepers far too easily

Goalkeeper animations have actually taken a significant step backwards from what I've seen. For example, what happened to those 'K' spread saves? Also, shots seem just to 'hit' keepers rather than them save or tip round the post. I'm also seeing the ball ricochet off at weird 90 degree angles. Work needed here before release.

Although the bigger worry for me is what we are being shown during the second phase of set pieces. Defenders aren't pushing out or closing down threats after an initial clearance; almost as if they are locked in to their set piece position instruction. I've seen countless examples (both for and against) of players picking up the second ball and dribbling into the area unopposed to score. Meanwhile your 6 players back are holding hands in the 6 yard box.

Edited October 31, 2023 by rdbayly

[IgnorantLobster]

Probably a stupid question but - I had a bid rejected for a player and now I can't make another bid as my club 'does not intend to bid for [player] after their offer for him, presented via an intermediary, fell through'.

Can anyone explain this?

[rambo55]

On 30/10/2023 at 21:58, Iakovenko said:

Malinkovic Savic was available on a free and chose PSG over me. Signed for them on 14th July and by deadline day of the same window they'd decided he didn't have a long term future and transfer listed him 

i wrote similar thing.... in 2026 PSG signed 6  free transfers where 1 they sold less than month later for 40m (good business i guess) another loaned out (laporte)  and rest (savic, veiga etc)  is just rotting on bench (ok they have played them for 2-5 games but their sharp is 0)  For a player they got free and sold 40m month later i made offer aswel (tho my club stature is lower than PSG so not suprised he chose them) but yeah. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Iakovenko said:

93rd min and I'm 1-0 down with time wasting set to never.

"Pickford is in no rush to take this kick"

Then proceeds to pass it to their striker and its 2-0

You gotta find a keeper who's GoOd WiTh HiS FeEt

[StephenG]

3 hours ago, brawla123 said:

Anyone notice a huge amount of shots hitting the post?

at least 1 or 2 every single game.

[alian62]

4 hours ago, Domoboy23 said:

Shots just go through keepers far too easily

You try saving those rockets 😊

[Arijit]

On 19/10/2023 at 11:53, jlammi said:

installed it and moving my grapics 24 gigs to fm24 folder then im playing new game.

If you are on MacOS, take advantage of symlink.  

In Windows, I think something called Junction tool, unfortunately I don't use Windows since 2015, so I cannot tell if this still exists or not.

[kiwityke1983]

7 hours ago, IgnorantLobster said:

Probably a stupid question but - I had a bid rejected for a player and now I can't make another bid as my club 'does not intend to bid for [player] after their offer for him, presented via an intermediary, fell through'.

Can anyone explain this?

I had this and it never resolved. I'd report it as a bug.

[Mst82]

Far too many AI goals from throw ins, i.e. short throw, pass it about, score. Seems to be every other game for me.

My coaching staff are still thick as mince and their advice usually proves detrimental.

Why have a player as a ball winning midfielder by default, but with a trait of gets forward whenever possible, for example? Makes zero logical sense.

Mistakes playing out from the back, by players with good composure etc are far too frequent. Yes it happens occasionally but not regularly.

Being offside when the ball is passed back to a throw taker is literally every time.  Again, this can happen occasionally in real life but not every time.

[whatsupdoc]

GK coach rejects 145k p/w + 4m per year in bonus' to re-sign for watford for 1.5k a week.

 

[KeiranShikari]

Maybe he's just really homophobic. 

[phnompenhandy]

19 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said:

Maybe he's just really homophobic. 

or the mafia asked him nicely to stay at the Italian-owned club

[craiigman]

 

1 hour ago, whatsupdoc said:

GK coach rejects 145k p/w + 4m per year in bonus' to re-sign for watford for 1.5k a week.

 

Your numbers might not be quite right. Don’t think any club in the game would allow 145k per week for a coach?

[rp1966]

Finished my first season in FM24 and this year's game seems pretty good.  ME is very good - some better animations and a really good variety of play, Goals scored do seem a little on the high side, but I'd worry that changing it to reduce the number of goals would reduce variety so I'd rather live with it.

The lighting changes in the match visualiser don't seem to be implemented particularly well - I can see the new haze effect on virtually all matches, and the faded shadows for overcast days is an added variation that wasn't there before. However, in my game every game for the whole season was overcast (I know it's a cliché about UK weather that it's always grey and drizzly, but there should have been some clear days in a whole season) - so I didn't see a single game with sun and hard shadows to help judge what else had changed (from teh faded shadows looks like shadow direction is different this year).

I haven't had the team meltdowns in interactions that some people have experienced.  I have noticed that players seem a little more sensitive to harsh team talks which caught me out a couple of times.

Changes to transfers with intermediaries is a positive change - I seem to have been able to move on players a little more easily than in the last couple of versions.

Like most people I am concerned about what player development will be like this year, but I'll have to get much deeper into my save to be able to make a judgement on that.

Overall FM24 seems to be a slight step up from FM23.  The ME is the biggest plus point for me.

Edited November 1, 2023 by rp1966

[Fola]

Is there any chance that the game could come out before Monday? I never play the beta so getting very excited and would love to play it over the weekend! Wishful thinking?

[Dadecane]

6 minutes ago, Fola said:

Is there any chance that the game could come out before Monday? I never play the beta so getting very excited and would love to play it over the weekend! Wishful thinking?

Zero chance. The release date is what it is; Nov 6

[diLLa88]

FYI, don't get your hopes up that the release version contains any changes or bug fixes compared to the current beta version. This has happened before where there were major issues in the match engine, and people found out the match engine version remained the same at full release.

This was last year:

Edited November 1, 2023 by diLLa88

[phnompenhandy]

31 minutes ago, Fola said:

Is there any chance that the game could come out before Monday? I never play the beta so getting very excited and would love to play it over the weekend! Wishful thinking?

Apart from adding the pre-game and in-game editors, I doubt we'll see much difference.

[Bahoi]

8 minutes ago, diLLa88 said:

FYI, don't get your hopes up that the release version contains any changes or bug fixes compared to the current beta version. This has happened before where there were major issues in the match engine, and people found out the match engine version remained the same at full release.

This was last year:

Yes, I agree. We are a very small community here, passionate about such issues. The average player sees the Feature Roadmap and thinks "This has to be it, if they say AI decision making or ME has improved, it has to be, they would not lie."

Yet, here we are, with them admitting AI is not working properly and coming up with easy excuses for ME issues such as immense pass compl% - "We Interpret Passes Differently" yeah right, only last year chaos factor was a thing, now positional-Pep-football is a Must.

[SimonHoddle]

1 hour ago, rp1966 said:

Finished my first season in FM24 and this year's game seems pretty good.  ME is very good - some better animations and a really good variety of play, Goals scored do seem a little on the high side, but I'd worry that changing it to reduce the number of goals would reduce variety so I'd rather live with it.

The lighting changes in the match visualiser don't seem to be implemented particularly well - I can see the new haze effect on virtually all matches, and the faded shadows for overcast days is an added variation that wasn't there before. However, in my game every game for the whole season was overcast (I know it's a cliché about UK weather that it's always grey and drizzly, but there should have been some clear days in a whole season) - so I didn't see a single game with sun and hard shadows to help judge what else had changed (from teh faded shadows looks like shadow direction is different this year).

I haven't had the team meltdowns in interactions that some people have experienced.  I have noticed that players seem a little more sensitive to harsh team talks which caught me out a couple of times.

Changes to transfers with intermediaries is a positive change - I seem to have been able to move on players a little more easily than in the last couple of versions.

Like most people I am concerned about what player development will be like this year, but I'll have to get much deeper into my save to be able to make a judgement on that.

Overall FM24 seems to be a slight step up from FM23.  The ME is the biggest plus point for me.

Good balanced review. Small evolution was all this would ever be when there is a revolution coming next year. I wonder if Miles regrets saying it’s going to be a love letter to football! What did that mean? It’s another slightly updated version of the game we’ve been playing since the graphics got tortured in 2018. 

[bigmattb28]

1 hour ago, Fola said:

Is there any chance that the game could come out before Monday? I never play the beta so getting very excited and would love to play it over the weekend! Wishful thinking?

Just start your game on the beta, it'll still be playable on Monday and there isn't going to be any changes to it other than making the editors available.

[Double0Seven]

1 hour ago, Bahoi said:

Yes, I agree. We are a very small community here, passionate about such issues. The average player sees the Feature Roadmap and thinks "This has to be it, if they say AI decision making or ME has improved, it has to be, they would not lie."

Yet, here we are, with them admitting AI is not working properly and coming up with easy excuses for ME issues such as immense pass compl% - "We Interpret Passes Differently" yeah right, only last year chaos factor was a thing, now positional-Pep-football is a Must.

Year in year out same issue. There is a problem. No fix at full release. Game still releases at full price with no public acknowledgement and you have to dig deep into forums to find issues. People still buy. SI does not do anything. Same next year.

What no competition does to a franchise.

We are no better than FIFA at this moment. Tell me the difference. Maybe the game is not a casino, that's all. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Double0Seven

[Ignats75]

Dynamics seems to have a need to be reworked.  I got a monthly email from the board room assessing my job performance.  They were disturbed by my lack of support among the players.  When I looked at the overview of the dynamics, under atmosphere it said I had 2 players who are unhappy.  Under Support it said a couple of players are unhappy ut that I have a strong influence over a number of players.  When I went to the happiness tab, there is only ONE player unhappy.

[SPE3D]

On 27/10/2023 at 09:48, DarJ said:

Attributes are relative to the division you're playing. If he's playing that way against Premier League level teams and winning then it's a problem.

I've never understood the notion that a lower division team shouldn't be able to play a certain way when in reality they only play against opposition of similar qualit

Nothing wrong with any team playing gegenpress but then we should see impact on stamina etc which affects players who aren't as well equipped to press entire game. Instead there is not enough impact and anyone can win anything employing these tactics.

[_Rob]

Manager movements are still as stupid as ever. Newcastle sacked Howe after finishing 6th and losing to R Madrid 3-2 in the last 16 of the Champions League. 

Hired Zidane in June and sacked him in January. Can't see league position they were in but they'd only lost 6 matches and had only lost 1 in the Europa League, won all the rest. 

Onto a few transfers I've seen.

The only 2 players Man City have bought in 3 years are Angel Correa for £22.5M (sold him 2 years later for £22M) and Rodrygo for £189M. They sold Tommy Doyle and Oscar Bobb for £6M each. McAtee went for free. They sold Stones at 31 y/o to Saudi for £38M even though he's still one of the best CB on the game.

[Iakovenko]

14 hours ago, nimbleshadow said:

You gotta find a keeper who's GoOd WiTh HiS FeEt

It was more the time wasting when we're losing that annoyed me, felt like it was done only so he could gift them another 

[whatsupdoc]

5 hours ago, craiigman said:

 

Your numbers might not be quite right. Don’t think any club in the game would allow 145k per week for a coach?

[Kyle Brown]

On 31/10/2023 at 12:18, Bahoi said:

I think I've had plenty of hours to say that SI lied to us again. No AI improvement for this version.

 

3 hours ago, diLLa88 said:

FYI, don't get your hopes up that the release version contains any changes or bug fixes compared to the current beta version. This has happened before where there were major issues in the match engine, and people found out the match engine version remained the same at full release.

This was last year:

 

3 hours ago, Bahoi said:

Yes, I agree. We are a very small community here, passionate about such issues. The average player sees the Feature Roadmap and thinks "This has to be it, if they say AI decision making or ME has improved, it has to be, they would not lie."

Yet, here we are, with them admitting AI is not working properly and coming up with easy excuses for ME issues such as immense pass compl% - "We Interpret Passes Differently" yeah right, only last year chaos factor was a thing, now positional-Pep-football is a Must.

 

1 hour ago, Double0Seven said:

Year in year out same issue. There is a problem. No fix at full release. Game still releases at full price with no public acknowledgement and you have to dig deep into forums to find issues. People still buy. SI does not do anything. Same next year.

What no competition does to a franchise.

We are no better than FIFA at this moment. Tell me the difference. Maybe the game is not a casino, that's all. 

Would just like to stress that nobody has lied, nor do we accept that we don't make changes on release. 

The Match Engine isn't something that's ever 'fixed' or 'broken'. It's a never-ending fine-tuning process that we work on constantly. It's not just as simple as making a change and releasing the new engine to the public - every change has the potential to cause knock on effects and needs extensive testing. We have listened to feedback since the early stages of the games release and will continue to do so, but the best place to raise specific incidents is over on our Bug Tracker. 

I can't confirm the dates of any future updates planned after full release next Monday, but if previous years are anything to go by then you can expect at least one prior to the festive period. 

[DP]

1 hour ago, SPE3D said:

Nothing wrong with any team playing gegenpress but then we should see impact on stamina etc which affects players who aren't as well equipped to press entire game. Instead there is not enough impact and anyone can win anything employing these tactics.

I think the reason this hasn’t been changed too much is because a lot of casual players want to play gegenpress and might not always buy the players suitable for it (ie high stamina) thus having too many players jaded leading to complaints. 

Similar to current injury levels being lower than real life - SI don’t go too extreme to try to cater for the masses. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by DP

[MrPompey]

2 hours ago, bigmattb28 said:

Just start your game on the beta, it'll still be playable on Monday and there isn't going to be any changes to it other than making the editors available.

Agreed but its possible that there may be a few data changes that get included reflecting some possible key change that have happened recently in real life. Personally I dont see starting without these to be a big deal since as soon as you start playing FM24 you diverge from real life anyway

[FM'd-BRO]

1 hour ago, _Rob said:

Manager movements are still as stupid as ever. Newcastle sacked Howe after finishing 6th and losing to R Madrid 3-2 in the last 16 of the Champions League. 

Hired Zidane in June and sacked him in January. Can't see league position they were in but they'd only lost 6 matches and had only lost 1 in the Europa League, won all the rest. 

Onto a few transfers I've seen.

The only 2 players Man City have bought in 3 years are Angel Correa for £22.5M (sold him 2 years later for £22M) and Rodrygo for £189M. They sold Tommy Doyle and Oscar Bobb for £6M each. McAtee went for free. They sold Stones at 31 y/o to Saudi for £38M even though he's still one of the best CB on the game.

Manager and players movements are wild this year. On my Brother's save Eddie Howe is managing Crewe 😂🤷🏻‍♂️