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(Wanted to create 4.Liga so the Liechtenstein reserve teams get game time, plus database for other OFV teams improved this year & just my preference, but I don't like adding players to real teams or teams to be full of grey players)

Cracking file and i will download. But couldn't you create a "B team" league for this? 

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I am still playing my FM20 save where I started with Schaan in tier 7 in Switzerland and became 10 times champions of the Swiss League and won the Champions League. I saw with somebody playing a Liechtenstein club in FM23 that Liechtensteiner clubs cannot win the Swiss league anymore. If a club ends first in the Swiss league they will just cancel the playoff and declare the Swiss number two the champions. I know you cannot qualify via the league and only through the Liechtensteiner cup but it sucks that you cannot even become champions. 

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13 hours ago, JBZ said:

Following popular file last year, here is the FM24 version along similar lines.

  • Swiss Cup has 100% correct qualification
  • Swiss Promotion League (level 3) activated with 100% real rules including player eligibility (including U21 teams), season periods, Swiss Cup qualification & realistic finances
  • Swiss First League Classic (level 4) activated with 100% real rules including play-offs, player eligibility (including U21 teams), season periods, Swiss Cup qualification & realistic finances
  • Swiss Second League Regional (level 5) activated with 90% real rules* including best runners-up, season periods & Swiss Cup qualification

    * only relegation to the OFV region activated for a few reasons
    (takes too long to set up missing teams & leagues in database; takes too long to process game with 100s of extra teams)
     
  • Unlike last year, only half of the OFV structure is fully activated with 90% real set up* and rules.

    * i) instead of 2 groups at the top level (2.Liga) only 1, instead of 4 groups at the second level  (3.Liga) only 2, and this time 3 groups at the third level (4.Liga) activated.
    ii) No any missing teams added  to database this year , so had to shift teams across
    divisions slightly to make it work
    (Wanted to create 4.Liga so the Liechtenstein reserve teams get game time, plus database for other OFV teams improved this year & just my preference, but I don't like adding players to real teams or teams to be full of grey players)
    iii) Still has working league structure, real-life Swiss Cup Qualification plus the extra chance of a trophy to become the OFV 'Regionalmeister' if you win the OFV Group 1 against the inactive Group 2 winners
     
  • Regional U19 Youth leagues plus U18 for the top three tiers
  • Liec U17 players too young for database added
     

The intention of this database is to play as one of the seven  Liechtenstein teams:

  • Vaduz
    The dominant Liechtenstein Club, perennial Cup winners (a record 49 times) and the only to have played in the Swiss top-flight (or indeed the top two tiers) as well as being the only fully professional outfit.
    Currently in the Challenge League (2nd level) after becoming the first Liechtenstein team to qualify for the Group Stage of European competition last season.
    (In 23/24 real-life went out in the first qualifier this year and are midtable)
    Play at the national stadium
     
  • USV Eschen/Mauren
    Semi-professional
    The second-best team in recent years, the last team to wrest the Cup from Vaduz in 2012, though only fourth in the all-time list with 5 titles in total.
    Currently in the First League Classic (4th tier) and have never played higher than this though have made the promotion play-offs a couple of time.
    (In 23/24 real life have made a good start to the season looking like promotion contenders)
    Stadium is used for the U-21 national team
     
  • Balzers
    Semi-professional
    Historically the second most successful with 11 Cups, but last in 1997.
    Never played higher than the First League Classic, but back at that level after immediately bouncing back from relegation the season before.
    (In 23/24 real life have made a terrible start to the season looking odds-on to go back down again, though have improved slightly since the managerial team and Liechtenstein legends, the Polverino brothers were sacked)
     
  • Ruggell
    Amateur.
    Never won the Cup, though reached the final 7 times
    Currently in the OFV 3 League (7th level) which they are leading in real life at the half-way stage having only dropped points in 2 games
    Have the best training facilities as national team facilities are based in Ruggell.
     
  • Schaan
    Amateur.
    Won the Cup 3 teams, last in 1994
    Currently in the OFV 3 League (7th level), and spent a single season in the 2 Liga Regional ten years ago, before plummeting as low as the 8th level.
    On the way back with a new national training centre being built (due to be completed spring 2026 which will see their facilities eclipse Ruggell and Vaduz) and in have won 11 out of 11 in real-life.
     
  • Triesenberg
    Amateur.
    Never won the Cup, reaching the final for the first and only time so far in 2015.
    Currently in the OFV 3 League (7th level), mid-table in real-life but in the Cup semi-final against local rivals Triesen with a chance for a second final
     
  • Triesen
    Amateur.
    If there's such a thing as a sleeping giant in Liechtenstein, it's Triesen who dominated the early years of the Cup in the last century.
    Still third in the all-time list with 8 titles, though none since 1975 (which was the last-time they reached the final)
    Currently in the OFV 3 League (7th level), mid-table in real-life but in the Cup semi-final against local rivals Triesenberg with a chance for a first final in almost 50 years

 

Liech U17 players.fmf 20.37 kB · 7 downloads Swiss OFV FM24 Original Database.fmf 43.55 kB · 11 downloads

Simmed 10 years into the game and can confirm no crashes. All divisions relegations/promotions worked. Great work as usual!

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12 hours ago, bobjuh said:

I saw with somebody playing a Liechtenstein club in FM23 that Liechtensteiner clubs cannot win the Swiss league anymore. If a club ends first in the Swiss league they will just cancel the playoff and declare the Swiss number two the champions. I know you cannot qualify via the league and only through the Liechtensteiner cup but it sucks that you cannot even become champions. 

I tested this and while the playoff does not get cancelled this year it seems like you cannot win the league as a Liechtensteiner team. They just gave the title to the team that finished 2nd.

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39 minutes ago, Johan99 said:

I tested this and while the playoff does not get cancelled this year it seems like you cannot win the league as a Liechtensteiner team. They just gave the title to the team that finished 2nd.

Do you have a screenshot of this happening please? Was this test run on fm24 or fm23?

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1 hour ago, Johan99 said:

I tested this and while the playoff does not get cancelled this year it seems like you cannot win the league as a Liechtensteiner team. They just gave the title to the team that finished 2nd.

I think this is correct. I remember reading about this - The Lichtenstein teams in the Swiss league. Since they aren't from Switzerland, they cannot be crowned Swiss champions.

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2 minutes ago, Johan99 said:

Here you go. This test was run on fm24.

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Great thank you - that's the same as the league rules. Did you win the lietch cup to get UCL qualifying and your UCL spot goes to 3rd? If so this is correct per irl league rules.

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On 08/11/2023 at 13:43, Liffa said:

I think this is correct. I remember reading about this - The Lichtenstein teams in the Swiss league. Since they aren't from Switzerland, they cannot be crowned Swiss champions.

I think you're right these are the real rules, but I agree with @bobjuh and don't like it either- it's there part of the deal for Liechtenstein teams to play in the Swiss league I believe, but a hypothetical situation that will probably never be tested.
Would be interesting to see what happened if it occurred, 

I have found this setting in the default part of the database, and have turned it off, and uploaded an alternative database attached to this post.
(Can't really test if it works for certain but assume it does)

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Removed file as now updated and new one added to first post
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Just now, Branst23 said:

Great thank you - that's the same as the league rules. Did you win the lietch cup to get UCL qualifying and your UCL spot goes to 3rd? If so this is correct per irl league rules.

In this situation Liechtenstein got one of the two highest coefficients from this season meaning that they get an extra UCL spot. This results in the winner of the cup getting a spot in the UCL League Stage and the runner up getting the usual UECL Q2 spot, as long as its not a reserve team. If, for example, Vaduz plays Vaduz II in the final in a situation like this I believe that the best semi finalist get the UECL Q2 spot.

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1 minute ago, JBZ said:

I think you're right these are the real rules, but I agree with @bobjuh and don't like it either- it's there part of the detail for Liechtenstein teams to play in the Swiss league I believe, but a hypothetical situation that will probably never be tested.
Would be interesting to see what happened if it occurred, 

I have found this setting in the default part of the database, and have turned it off, and uploaded an alternative database attached to this post.
(Can't really test if it works for certain but assume it does)

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Swi OFV FM24 Liec can be champions.fmf 43.54 kB · 0 downloads

Thank you! I can test it rn and let you guys know if it works.

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1 minute ago, Johan99 said:

In this situation Liechtenstein got one of the two highest coefficients from this season meaning that they get an extra UCL spot. This results in the winner of the cup getting a spot in the UCL League Stage and the runner up getting the usual UECL Q2 spot, as long as its not a reserve team. If, for example, Vaduz plays Vaduz II in the final in a situation like this I believe that the best semi finalist get the UECL Q2 spot.

That makes perfect sense, I got Ruggell to have a EL spot rather than a ECL spot due to doing so well in Europe, so that the Lietch Cup increased co-eff.

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24 minutes ago, JBZ said:

Good stuff, thanks for testing

Wait, I don't think it actually works. Vaduz gets a C next to its name when they win the league but they don't actually get the title. If you go to the history screen it does not show any trophies either.

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On 21/11/2023 at 21:13, Zapera said:

Is there a way to edit Liechtenstein Cup ? I can't figure it out.

not that I am aware of, think it's hard coded 

The format in game is not quite right, which has been raised to SI and acknowledged, hopefully they will fix in the  post transfer window update, but I imagine not top of their priority list

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On 08/11/2023 at 09:31, Johan99 said:

Wait, I don't think it actually works. Vaduz gets a C next to its name when they win the league but they don't actually get the title. If you go to the history screen it does not show any trophies either.

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Have you also gone into "history" under the competition rules and removed that entry for "ignore" Liechtensteiner teams? Could probably lose that whole "team order for top 3 teams" box. Failing all that, under "history" turn off "automatically add history" and use a stage action to "add history record" after the league stage. Normally this is a last resort because the top 3 rankings should able to hand themselves out, but in this case they basically are, we just need to brute force through the hard-coding on top of that

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On 23/11/2023 at 09:52, themodelcitizen said:

Have you also gone into "history" under the competition rules and removed that entry for "ignore" Liechtensteiner teams? Could probably lose that whole "team order for top 3 teams" box. Failing all that, under "history" turn off "automatically add history" and use a stage action to "add history record" after the league stage. Normally this is a last resort because the top 3 rankings should able to hand themselves out, but in this case they basically are, we just need to brute force through the hard-coding on top of that

I can confirm that the fix that themodelcitizen suggested does work in giving Vaduz or other Liechtensteiner teams the Suisse Super League title if they win. I ran a test save holidaying with a hilariously overpowered Vaduz team.

I've attached photos as evidence as well as an edited version of the file JBZ uploaded with the changes TMC suggested -  all it required was unticking the 'team order for top 3 teams' box & turning off 'automatically add history'.

 

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Liechtenstein Champ Fix .fmf

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11 hours ago, rcurtis said:

I can confirm that the fix that themodelcitizen suggested does work in giving Vaduz or other Liechtensteiner teams the Suisse Super League title if they win. I ran a test save holidaying with a hilariously overpowered Vaduz team.

I've attached photos as evidence as well as an edited version of the file JBZ uploaded with the changes TMC suggested -  all it required was unticking the 'team order for top 3 teams' box & turning off 'automatically add history'.

 

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Liechtenstein Champ Fix .fmf 43.5 kB · 4 downloads

is this fix to replace the database in the original post or used alongside it?

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On 24/11/2023 at 07:52, rcurtis said:

I can confirm that the fix that themodelcitizen suggested does work in giving Vaduz or other Liechtensteiner teams the Suisse Super League title if they win. I ran a test save holidaying with a hilariously overpowered Vaduz team.

I've attached photos as evidence as well as an edited version of the file JBZ uploaded with the changes TMC suggested -  all it required was unticking the 'team order for top 3 teams' box & turning off 'automatically add history'.

 

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Liechtenstein Champ Fix .fmf 43.5 kB · 7 downloads

Thanks for testing this works, but normal etiquette to ask original creators before you upload files made by others- I don't particularly mind, but others might for future reference- cheers

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On 22/11/2023 at 22:22, cleiria said:

The default in the db : swi_lie_cup.fmf

 

@cleiria Do you know how to extract other competition rules that aren't normally extractable?
I'm thinking in particular of the U19/U21 European qualifiers (as want to add Liechtenstein U19 back in as they are entered in the current cycle in real life & possibly* remove Liechtenstein U21 who aren't. * if I can add them back to the next cycle, as not great for playability if they never enter seasons into the game)

Many thanks

EDIT: Don't worry, searched the internet and found out how to do it from an unofficial FM site

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7 horas atrás, JBZ disse:

Thanks- useful, I'll see if I can incorporate this into an updated file- alongside the champions fix

 

4 horas atrás, JBZ disse:

@cleiria Do you know how to extract other competition rules that aren't normally extractable?
I'm thinking in particular of the U19/U21 European qualifiers (as want to add Liechtenstein U19 back in as they are entered in the current cycle in real life & possibly* remove Liechtenstein U21 who aren't. * if I can add them back to the next cycle, as not great for playability if they never enter seasons into the game)

Many thanks

EDIT: Don't worry, searched the internet and found out how to do it from an unofficial FM site

If you need something, i can try to help

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When I use schaan enter the UEFA Europa Conference League in the second year, the match move to Rheinpark Stadion in the qualifying round.

But it move back to my own stadium in the league phase. The match should be held in Rheinpark Stadion due to the requirement of seating capacity.

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Good database, thank you. Just one query; Currently in the second season in my save with FC Koniz. Promoted to the 3rd division (Promotion league) and in the competitions the swiss cup isn't there. Just the league, do teams from the 3rd tier not compete in the cup? or am I missing something/being impatient.

Edit: All I had to do was progress a year, problem solved

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On 18/01/2024 at 22:29, MisterJack said:

Hi there,

Could someone upload the files somewhere? Nothing is available any more and I'd really like to play in the Swiss league ...

Thanks a lot !

Hello, I am not sure why you (and others who have been direct messaging me- would prefer people asked in this thread btw in future, so the same question does not need to be answered multiple times, thanks) cannot find the files, they are there in the first post in this thread and have been there continuously since Nov 25 as far as I am aware

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En 16/2/2024 a las 19:54, JBZ dijo:

 

Hello, I am not sure why you (and others who have been direct messaging me- would prefer people asked in this thread btw in future, so the same question does not need to be answered multiple times, thanks) cannot find the files, they are there in the first post in this thread and have been there continuously since Nov 25 as far as I am aware

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With the winter update, the patch is no longer playable. I try to update it with the editor but I get this error:

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Could you update it to be playable in version 24.3.0? Thank you for this patch to take Liechtenstein to the top

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I tried, but the Liechtenstein Cup settings have been changed in the 24.3 update causing the validation error somehow-
These are not visible in the standard Switzerland Advanced Rules so cannot see what the problem is.

It is not clear why it does not work because the 24.3 rules are the same as "Liec Cup Update " file in the first post which works fine with the 24.0 database
(i.e. all the Liechtenstein teams for the Cup are in the database so it should work- must be a hidden setting in the 24.3 rules causing the conflict)

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thanks to @cleiria for extracting the 24.3 Liechtenstein Cup rules I have found the problem- the new settings are looking for the participating teams in the Swiss Lower League, and they are not there in my database file because they have been moved to the OFV league.

Fixing it is another thing- I can edit the Liechtenstein Cup rules in a standalone file, but I don't know how to edit them within my overall database
(There is some level of hard-coded with the Liechtenstein Cup that makes it not fully visible in the Swiss rules- possibly because the rules are for a different nation in terms of continental cup qualification etc.- yet they are still in the list of competitions under Switzerland)

I have tried converting to XML and pasting the Cup rules from the standalone file into my database file but I am getting a parsing error when loaded- this might be because I have pasted them in the wrong place or might be because the hard-coding makes it impossible - anyone with advanced knowledge of the editor who can point me in the right direction would be welcome, otherwise might not be able to get this working for the update unfortunately...

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I haven't worked out anything about merging but I got past the first problem around the Liechtenstein cup. But now it states that there's an error in the swiss nation rules. You can manually add the 7 teams to the LC in the database and it has their correct league and all, but I haven't worked out how to merge the two files so unsure if that'll change anything?

This being the first error upon the first test:

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Then this after just adding the teams manually on the Swiss OFV FM24.3 file

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I'll keep working through it, but just thought you would want to know?

 

 

Edit: NVM I think I broke a few things. Disregard this for now.

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En 14/3/2024 a las 3:28, V2023 dijo:

Managed to get the Liechtenstein Cup running by changing the rules to work with your file and also adding them to the main Swiss file, so that when both files are added the cup should work without problems.

swi_lie_cup_fixed.fmf 15.79 kB · 11 downloads

Swiss OFV FM24.3 Liec Fix.fmf 43.92 kB · 15 downloads

Just for being sure... is it possible to run everything as before? Which files should we use?

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On 19/03/2024 at 11:38, Micho21 said:

Just for being sure... is it possible to run everything as before? Which files should we use?

I would need @JBZ to confirm whether the files he posted were fully updated since I only fixed the Liechtenstein Cup, but in my 2 test seasons I couldn't notice any problems. And you need both files to get the cup working.

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Hi @dirk1973,

 

You need to go to the FM 24 editor (if you don't have the editor, you can install it from Steam) and afterwards  Go to file > "Load Editor data" select the database.

After to "Rules" > "Test Rules" > "Verify All". The editor will test all the competitions. Once finished you can use the database in the game.

If you have question, ask the community.

Best Regards

Snohyy

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Here is an updated file that works with the latest database, tested to 2031 with no issues.
(A few minor fixes also applied relating to competition rules)

Recommended to load with the file that puts the Liechtenstein youth teams back in the U19/u18 European competitions, also re-validating against 24.3/24.4

 

Liechtenstein in Euro U19U18.fmf

Swi OFV 24.4.fmf

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hace 12 horas, JBZ dijo:

Here is an updated file that works with the latest database, tested to 2031 with no issues.
(A few minor fixes also applied relating to competition rules)

Recommended to load with the file that puts the Liechtenstein youth teams back in the U19/u18 European competitions, also re-validating against 24.3/24.4

 

Liechtenstein in Euro U19U18.fmf 17.62 kB · 7 downloads

Swi OFV 24.4.fmf 44.11 kB · 5 downloads

Thank you! Question: do you know if there exists a Swiss pyramid database that goes deep up to 5e Ligue (I mean, the one managed by associations régionales)?

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This database partially does but for half of the OFV region only (with a couple of compromises to reality) :
It would be a huge task to set up for all regions to the 5th level as not all teams are active in the original database (even at the 3rd level)

Besides I made the decision only to do the OFV region for gameplay reasons
(1. Processing will be slow as would add 100+ divisions 2. Most teams would have no/few real players)

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