Is Mezzala the best midfield role for ensuring rotations out to maintain width?

[alexfrco]

Hey guys,

I'm using Arsenal to recreate Arteta's tactics, in your standard 4-3-3, except I'm using Martinelli as an IF(A) with sit narrower instruction instead of having him hold the width as Arteta does IRL.

Behind him is Zinchenko who I'm using in the IWB(S) role that was pretty much built for him, so my problem at the moment is how do I ensure there's someone to maintain width on the LHS?

The solution would of course be the LCM, which is currently occupied by Havertz in the MEZ(S) role, on an instruction to run wider with the ball. It's been *okay* so far, but doesn't quite achieve the width-holding rotations I'm going for, is this the best solution in the game or are there other tweaks I can employ? Would keeping Martinelli as an IF with a stay wider instruction be best?

Any and all advice much appreciated!

[Egecann]

Carrilero might be the answer.

[hkofficial]

bump, I also was trying to figure a solution to this and in the end decided on leaving Havertz CM-Attack because of his aerial presence. 

[Egecann]

What about Winger attack for martinelli with cut inside with ball PI. He already has a trait cuts inside from left wing

[alexfrco]

1 hour ago, Egecann said:

Carrilero might be the answer.

@Egecann Appreciate the reply! Yeah nice suggestion, I did consider it as an option but do you think that role would help hold the width, particularly in high areas of the pitch, well enough? That's what I want to get from the MEZ(S) but, unfortunately, FM doesn't seem to have positional play in the final third (i.e. rotations between wide player and near interior) baked in yet.

 

37 minutes ago, Egecann said:

What about Winger attack for martinelli with cut inside with ball PI. He already has a trait cuts inside from left wing

Hadn't considered the above though, this could work though the original intention was to get him hovering more centrally/closer to the goal in preparation to receive, rather than only once when he's on the ball.  

[avenger22]

Mezzala is the best from CM strata alongside with CM/A they attack the box amazingly and provide also good defensive cover and also keep width more all roles from that position very dynamic role.

[Mark_w]

Don't know how it'd work, but could an alternative be to drop your DM back to being a Libero and have an attacking wide center-back on the left hand side? Would have thought Arsenal would have the personnel for that.

[alexfrco]

16 hours ago, Mark_w said:

Don't know how it'd work, but could an alternative be to drop your DM back to being a Libero and have an attacking wide center-back on the left hand side? Would have thought Arsenal would have the personnel for that.

Yeah that would be an option (could use Rice as a libero) but would depart from my intention of recreating Arteta's Arsenal tactics.

 

Think I may have to set Martinelli back to W(A) with instructions to roam and see if the Mezzala (or perhaps AP) going wide with the ball might see him choose to narrow his positioning.

[llama3]

On 17/11/2023 at 17:20, alexfrco said:

Hey guys,

I'm using Arsenal to recreate Arteta's tactics, in your standard 4-3-3, except I'm using Martinelli as an IF(A) with sit narrower instruction instead of having him hold the width as Arteta does IRL.

Behind him is Zinchenko who I'm using in the IWB(S) role that was pretty much built for him, so my problem at the moment is how do I ensure there's someone to maintain width on the LHS?

The solution would of course be the LCM, which is currently occupied by Havertz in the MEZ(S) role, on an instruction to run wider with the ball. It's been *okay* so far, but doesn't quite achieve the width-holding rotations I'm going for, is this the best solution in the game or are there other tweaks I can employ? Would keeping Martinelli as an IF with a stay wider instruction be best?

Any and all advice much appreciated!

In what way has it been "okay"? If the team is playing well, that counts for more than if an individual is getting good ratings, goals and assists.

[寸身辛木]

I have had thousands of hours watching full matches on FM and I can assure you that there is no perfect solution to this until they name a new role that attacks as winger while defends as a central player. I have been wanting things like this for years. Right now the AP, Carrilero, or Mezzala would be your best option if you want a solid defensive shape and an effective high-press. Otherwise you can use all kinds of asymmetrical/weird-looking shapes.

[alexfrco]

On 19/11/2023 at 21:54, llama3 said:

In what way has it been "okay"? If the team is playing well, that counts for more than if an individual is getting good ratings, goals and assists.

Okay in that the Mezzala did end up wide occasionally, with the IF going inside, but even then it's not the width holding that I was intending to achieve and all too often they do end up in each others' way.

I've since given up on this and gone for the AML, Martinelli, being a W(A) who cuts in with the ball while I've toyed with the MCL both as a MEZ(S) and CM(A). It's working better and tbh a more accurate representation of how Arteta uses Martinelli IRL, but is a shame we don't have a midfield role that properly achieves those rotations with the winger out wide yet.

On 19/11/2023 at 23:33, 寸身辛木 said:

I have had thousands of hours watching full matches on FM and I can assure you that there is no perfect solution to this until they name a new role that attacks as winger while defends as a central player. I have been wanting things like this for years. Right now the AP, Carrilero, or Mezzala would be your best option if you want a solid defensive shape and an effective high-press. Otherwise you can use all kinds of asymmetrical/weird-looking shapes.

Introduction of a role like this would be great in future FMs, particularly as they get to grips with the positional play tactical elements and dynamics. Also, including a function where you can choose players to rotate/swap roles with each other at certain points would be a great addition.