FuSS Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) FuSSimile v1.0 (a copy) News Version 1.0 released (enter sarcastic/cutting comment here) Changes None, it's the first version (obviously) Synopsis As always with my tactics I'm aiming for football, which is successful, easy on the eye, and uses a common formation (no, I don't want 3 sodding strikers thanks!) This year it's all about through balls. There's lots of vertical play and loads of risky but beautiful passes down the channels (I've really enjoyed watching this one!) Important This tactic isn't plug and play, it'll outperform anything that is if you put some effort in though! (It's almost like this game wants you to "manage" your football club, outrageous!) As the last couple of years - I'm just sharing my personal tactic (and not a single **** will be given if it works for you or not!) Mentality I'm mostly using Standard, but if I'm not winning at 70 minutes, I switch to to attack (yes, even against bigger sides, **** um!) Team Talks Do them yourself, even the best Assistant Managers are poor at them (use the search function, that little box up there....you...yes you...that's the one...good job) Opposition Instructions I'm not using them! (Guess what SI, they're **** and don't work, now hurry up with that new match engine, you've been hawking the same one for years already) Team Selection Do it yourself (ready for the spoon-feeding kids...here we go!) Right footed inside forward on the left side of the pitch. Left footed inside forward on the right of the pitch. Right footed DC in the right DC position. Left footed DC in the left footed DC position. Pre-Season Pre-season is super important (is that important though? Wait he said SUPER important, is he ******** me? No, he means it!) I set everyone on double training and continue it for the full season (yeah, I get more injuries - but my young players advance quickly) I book a match every third day and rotate a completely different 11 each match in order to give them sufficient rest time (seriously, take 5 minutes, cancel every pre-season game, and rebook your own - if you don't and your players aren't 100% at the start of the season, you will fail, that's on you) I usually start the season with an entirely fit team and complete tactical familiarity (if you do pre-season right, you'll smash everyone, regardless of the bloody tactic!) Rotation, Rotation, Rotation Aim to have two experts for every position - ideally a first team squad of 22 players (famously advice from Jose, yes, he's actually a good manger, Pep is better you say...is he...is he really...I think you sir should think about your football know-how very carefully) Personally, I setup and save Team A and Team B and rotate them every single match - this guarantees player condition and keeps everyone happy with their playing time (may not be realistic, but by god does it work in FM....oh and buying more than 3 or 4 players isn't realistic either, so please direct your bitching to SI). If someone doesn't like it, I sell them, nobody is bigger than the club (I'm looking at your Ronaldo!) Shouts Shouts are overpowered, but easy to do, simply use them as often as you can (SI gave you a cheat button in-match, if you aren't using it, who's the idiot? It's not me...so it's you or SI....or you and SI) Drawing - Rotate "Encourage" and "Demand More" Losing - Rotate "Berate" and "Fire Up" Winning - Rotate "Praise" and "I've not quite worked this one out yet, how about you do some of the bloody work yourself?" Players CF – Deep Lying Forward (Attack) Type of player: Any excellent striker will do. Best stats: Finishing, Composure, Physical Good PPMs: "Likes to Beat Offside Trap", "Placed Shots" AML/R - Inside Forwards (Attack) Type of player: A traditional inside forward. Best stats: Dribbling, Acceleration, Finishing. Good PPMs: "Cuts Inside", "Runs with Ball Often". Note 1: SHOULD USE OPPOSITE FOOT. Note 2: I've found strikers can play well here. MCL - Box-to-Box Midfielder (Support) Type of player: Your midfield dynamo. A good box-to-box player is hard to find, but they act like having a 12th man on the pitch. Best stats: Needs decent stats across the board - a **** box-to-box is worse than no player at all! Good PPMs: "plays one-twos" MCR - Central Midfielder (Attack) Type of player: This is where you use your typical AMC superstar. Best stats: Anticipation, Decisions, and mental stats rule the roost here. Good PPMs: "plays one-twos" DMC – Deep Lying Playmaker (Support) Type of player: You're actually after a competent DMC first and foremost, if he can also pass and create then that's a great bonus. Best stats: Tackling, Positioning, Anticipation. Note 1: This position is important, there's lots of good value DLP's out there, buy one if you don't own one. FB – Full Back (Support) Type of player: The most important position in this tactic, you're asking a lot of your full-backs, they need to be great defensively, fast, dribble and cross. Best stats: Marking, Tackling, Crossing, Dribbling, Acceleration. Good PPMs: "Runs with Ball Down The X". Note 1: This is the most important position in your team - get good players here, this is where to splash that cash! CB – Ball Playing Defenders (Defend) Type of player: Heading, Jumping and Positioning are vital as this tactic uses a high defensive line, so you'll need to win the ball in the air. Best stats: Heading, Jumping, Marking, Tackling, Positioning. Good PPMs: "Does Not Dive into Tackles" Note 1: This tactic uses a high-defensive line, that means you want your defenders to win the ball "in the air", there's a common misconception that acceleration is key, it certainly isn't bad, but you can be the faster player in the world, if you're facing the opposite direction from the attacker, you'll still lose the race - I've had better ratings from slow old DC's with amazing jumping and heading stats than I've had from quick younger DCs. SK - Sweeper Keeper (Support) Type of player: Just the best keeper you can get hold of. Best stats: Handling, Reflexes, Arial Reach. Download below! (Download it or don’t, I could care less.). P.S. FuSS bears no responsibility for you being an idiot and sucking at the game. If you want to just buy a team of Galactico’s and click your way through seasons as fast as possible I suggest you try FIFA. Oh, no I don't keep my old tactics, stop sending me 100 messages a day asking for them, use google. Dick. P.P.S - I was full of flu when I wrote this, sorry. Much love you all! FuSSimile_v1.0.fmf FuSSimile_v2.0.fmf Edited July 11 by FuSS 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) Formation: Season 1 results: Edited November 17, 2023 by FuSS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) Season 1 - Premier League Scalps Edited November 17, 2023 by FuSS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vspec1 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 All hail the king! And back with some attitude it seems: P.S. FuSS bears no responsibility for you being an idiot and sucking at the game. If you want to just buy a team of Galactico’s and click your way through seasons as fast as possible I suggest you try FIFA. Oh, no I don't keep my old tactics, stop sending me 100 messages a day asking for them, use google. Dick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Vspec1 said: All hail the king! And back with some attitude it seems: P.S. FuSS bears no responsibility for you being an idiot and sucking at the game. If you want to just buy a team of Galactico’s and click your way through seasons as fast as possible I suggest you try FIFA. Oh, no I don't keep my old tactics, stop sending me 100 messages a day asking for them, use google. Dick. haha, gotta have some fun while we wait for the new match engine in FM25! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) I always consider it an excellent sign when your U21's and U18's do well using your tactic. They achieved this without any interference from me, I didn't even let any of my senior squad play in the U21's this year (I forgot to set it up!) Edited November 17, 2023 by FuSS 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carninho Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) go on i'll give it a go for a season. about to start my 5th with Dynamo Dresden. I've got a full on rebuild to do and I loved using one of your earlier tactics on a previous FM Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Edited November 18, 2023 by Carninho 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joandrle Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Could this tactic work with my Barcelona? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carninho Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 (edited) As I have finished the first page of fixtures thought it woudl be a good time to share my results. Didnt helf that my star player Ouedrago was poached by Dortmond. They also recalled my starting LB Rothe as wasnt playing him in their desired role. Means I have lots of chemistry and familiarity to build with a couple of regen wonderkids. IMO the results have been really good Edited November 19, 2023 by Carninho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loisvale Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Important This tactic isn't plug and play, it'll outperform anything that is if you put some effort in though! Great (and quite amusing read as ever). If it isn’t plug and play what tweaks/ changes do you make? Is it just changing the mentality to attacking if not winning at 70mins and rotating the two 11s or are there any other thoughts you can share? What do you do if a team is all over you for instance? Do you do something different to avoid the press from stronger opposition? Your results are insane. I am almost glad I’m not that successful from the start - don’t know how you stay motivated to play it! brilliant stuff and thanks for sharing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 done well with Sampa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, Carninho said: As I have finished the first page of fixtures thought it woudl be a good time to share my results. Didnt helf that my star player Ouedrago was poached by Dortmond. They also recalled my starting LB Rothe as wasnt playing him in their desired role. Means I have lots of chemistry and familiarity to build with a couple of regen wonderkids. IMO the results have been really good Looks good, thanks for the feedback. Conceding a few too many, which I found early doors with Norwich too. I found bigger/taller/heading/jumping CB really helped. But it's definitely an area I want to tighten up. I'm not sold on the DLP. 8 hours ago, Warszawa said: done well with Sampa Wow, nice results. Particularly the goal difference. Interestingly it looks you've conceded the least in the league by quite some way. Any defensive tweaks? I'd be interested to see what sort of CB you usually use. 16 hours ago, loisvale said: Important This tactic isn't plug and play, it'll outperform anything that is if you put some effort in though! Great (and quite amusing read as ever). If it isn’t plug and play what tweaks/ changes do you make? Is it just changing the mentality to attacking if not winning at 70mins and rotating the two 11s or are there any other thoughts you can share? What do you do if a team is all over you for instance? Do you do something different to avoid the press from stronger opposition? Your results are insane. I am almost glad I’m not that successful from the start - don’t know how you stay motivated to play it! brilliant stuff and thanks for sharing. Lot of questions! By not plug and play, I'm referring more to the fact that you increasingly have to manage your team in FM over the last 10 years. Tactics are a smaller and smaller part of success (which is a good thing!). I absolutely swear by rotation and conditioning in this game. I'm pretty sure you could pick any tactic and if you prepped and used your team properly you'd win. I think putting some real game time into pre season is key. And actually watching matches and seeing what your actual players do is important. For my money the player match rating system for FM is a poor guide to performance. For example: a DC can be playing like crap, but score a corner and he'll be rated 7.5-8.0. if you didn't watch the match and watch him you wouldn't know that he's playing like crap and change him when you should! I could go on for hours but that's a start BIG TIP - because this tactic is all about playing between the lines and defence splitting passes going defensive against bigger sides is just asking for trouble! It might be counter intuitive, but I like to attack bigger sides of I'm struggling against them, go for the goal. Edited November 20, 2023 by FuSS 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 My CD's are nothing special to be honest, new season looking even better with not to strong squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loisvale Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 21 hours ago, FuSS said: Looks good, thanks for the feedback. Conceding a few too many, which I found early doors with Norwich too. I found bigger/taller/heading/jumping CB really helped. But it's definitely an area I want to tighten up. I'm not sold on the DLP. Wow, nice results. Particularly the goal difference. Interestingly it looks you've conceded the least in the league by quite some way. Any defensive tweaks? I'd be interested to see what sort of CB you usually use. Lot of questions! By not plug and play, I'm referring more to the fact that you increasingly have to manage your team in FM over the last 10 years. Tactics are a smaller and smaller part of success (which is a good thing!). I absolutely swear by rotation and conditioning in this game. I'm pretty sure you could pick any tactic and if you prepped and used your team properly you'd win. I think putting some real game time into pre season is key. And actually watching matches and seeing what your actual players do is important. For my money the player match rating system for FM is a poor guide to performance. For example: a DC can be playing like crap, but score a corner and he'll be rated 7.5-8.0. if you didn't watch the match and watch him you wouldn't know that he's playing like crap and change him when you should! I could go on for hours but that's a start BIG TIP - because this tactic is all about playing between the lines and defence splitting passes going defensive against bigger sides is just asking for trouble! It might be counter intuitive, but I like to attack bigger sides of I'm struggling against them, go for the goal Appreciate the reply. It works very well. Well done. Have been getting great results. The only game so far where I’ve had any trouble is when I had a man sent off. Should it happen again I will try something different than I tried the first time and work it out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, loisvale said: Appreciate the reply. It works very well. Well done. Have been getting great results. The only game so far where I’ve had any trouble is when I had a man sent off. Should it happen again I will try something different than I tried the first time and work it out! Lol, I've not tried with 10 men yet as I've been finding very few fouls/yellows with this tactic, not had a red yet. Off the top of my head I'd say lose the box-to-box, move the DLP to the box-to-box physical position (although keep him as a DPL). That should be least disruptive to the style of play if you go down a man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loisvale Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Tried cm defend last time. Will try this next time! Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb1403 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) Glad to try out one of your tactics again (predicted 17th) Edited November 28, 2023 by jmb1403 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdubsnz Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 @FuSSlooks like a great tactic. are there any PIs or is it just the TIs and the formation in the post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 20 hours ago, jmb1403 said: Glad to try out one of your tactics again (predicted 17th) Nice - very pleasing Goal difference too! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 5 hours ago, jdubsnz said: @FuSSlooks like a great tactic. are there any PIs or is it just the TIs and the formation in the post? It's mostly PI's. I believe in keeping the TI's simple and instructing the individual positions within that framework. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillyBroadband Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 @FuSS Hello mate, can't wait to give this a go*, always been a fan *FuSStive Spirit still worked really well for me on FM24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 hours ago, WillyBroadband said: @FuSS Hello mate, can't wait to give this a go*, always been a fan *FuSStive Spirit still worked really well for me on FM24 Well there's not much difference - hence the hint in the name :p 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero80 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Would the tactic work if we substitute counter press or both instead of counter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, calimero80 said: Would the tactic work if we substitute counter press or both instead of counter? It wouldn't be a substitute as one is an action with the ball (counter = we got the ball, let's attack quickly!), the other is an action without the ball (counter press = we've not got the ball, quick chase it!). I'm not a fan of chasing the ball. The default for a successful tactic in this game is to turn on counter press, turn up pressing, and have the highest defensive line. This works by sheer brute force, you're basically telling you players to run after the ball with no regard for anything else (like watching under 10's playing football - they all just go to the ball constantly). It works - but it shouldn't work. It's a flaw in the match engine, one I don't like, and I think is really visually unappealing. I don't think turning all the pressing options up in the game is representative of a gegenpress (ala Rangnick), it's more extreme than that. Gegenpress is more conditional, and even then it doesn't work against top level oppositions. For example Liverpool haven't used a gegenpress style under Klopp for several years now. I think the best example of turning up all the pressing options is probably Keegan's Newcastle - who used to play totally mad high pressing football and win matches by "we'll score one more than you mentality". Which doesn't work when you come up against a technically superior team, because a quick football brain, good vision, and a desciving pass will take a two-three player press out of the game in an instant. Edited December 2, 2023 by FuSS 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdubsnz Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 30/11/2023 at 02:18, FuSS said: It's mostly PI's. I believe in keeping the TI's simple and instructing the individual positions within that framework. cool, thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shippy Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 29/11/2023 at 13:18, FuSS said: It's mostly PI's. I believe in keeping the TI's simple and instructing the individual positions within that framework. Just curious what sort of PI’s you would use. Not something I’ve really used Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropicsafc Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Thanks again for this tactic. Have used it on previous editions to great effect. Just got promoted with Oviedo using it and im intrigued what tweaks, if any, people have been using? I experienced a slight dip in form towards the end of the season and removing 'be more disciplined' for home games seemed to do the trick. I also tend to remove the 'gets further forward' PI on the full backs when protecting a lead. Thanks again! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helldragon Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Hi, great Thread! I have a Question. I am looking for a Targetman Tactic. Do you think your tactic work with a Targetman on Attack instead of DLF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avrupa Fatihi Galatasaray Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Will there be a tactical update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke19952018 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 By far the best tactic I've found! Awesome work! Have you done any tweaks with this tactic at all with success? Noticed a few seasons in results seem to slump a bit - as is the same with every tactic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 Hi guys, long time no see! I've just picked up FM24 again after a long break! I've found the original tactic is still brilliant, but have made a couple of slight tweaks. Sweeper Keeper upped to support - this is purely because GK judgment seems to have been improved over the last few patches and it's now a safer bet (LLM might want to keep it on defend). Deep Lying Playmaker upped to support - this seems to be creating more chances for me, certainly the DPL's assist rate has gone up. Centre Backs removed closedown less - again this seems to be a result of improved player positioning and decision making due to patches. Enjoy. FuSSimile_v2.0.fmf 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj2906 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 Hey what are the PIs as on xbox? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 What the crap is an Xbox 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Real behanger Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 Yes I am back home from holiday, waiting to try your tactic. I love it in its simpleness!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
niguez Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 On 11/07/2024 at 13:22, FuSS said: Hi guys, long time no see! I've just picked up FM24 again after a long break! I've found the original tactic is still brilliant, but have made a couple of slight tweaks. Sweeper Keeper upped to support - this is purely because GK judgment seems to have been improved over the last few patches and it's now a safer bet (LLM might want to keep it on defend). Deep Lying Playmaker upped to support - this seems to be creating more chances for me, certainly the DPL's assist rate has gone up. Centre Backs removed closedown less - again this seems to be a result of improved player positioning and decision making due to patches. Enjoy. FuSSimile_v2.0.fmf 44.04 kB · 155 downloads Dont normally post much on these forums even though ive been here for ages. But i thought i should say that this tactic is the best and most realistic ive come across in a long time. I was using one of the Knap tactics for a while, but grew tired of the overpowered nature because i could anticipate every goal as it unfolded in the 3d pitch. It made me tired of the game actually, even though i tried to tweak these knap tactics to not be that crazy overpowered. I switched to this tactic mid season actually and it is not that punishing as some would probably expect given the OPs clear instructions (or commandments). For my part i dont use the double training anymore, and use far less pre season games. I usually plan a realistic pre season in order to get a decent amount of league games pr season out of my players. I like chasing club records. It took a few games into the next season this way - but when your familiarity is around 90% you should begin to see the magic. I used one of Fuss' tactics on FM18 (i think) and this reminds of that one. Beautiful, varied football. But it requires some know how and experience to make it work faster. Its by no means a plug n play, probably the furthest tactic from it on these forums. But its highly recommended if youre looking for a realistic tactic that is nice to watch unfold. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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