Evon Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Try sell him but that offer is way too low. Kugle-Report it in the Bugs Forum. Never seen it before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Originally posted by crazy gra:Cheers Sheps Howcome you haven't got him on 08 yet, then? (Or Gago?) Didnt need him after Anderson became beast. Also Gago would be too expensive imo and Hargreaves/Carrick are very good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahno6 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Right I'm going to start as Man Utd and try to build a young squad that will rule for years to come I'm planning GK.Foster DL.Sakho DC.Evans DC.Cathcart DR. ??? ML.Fleck MC.Banega MR.Ronaldo AMC.Anderson FC.Brandy FC.Rooney SB1. ??? (GK) Bounzanis ? SB2. Lee SB3. Gibson SB4. Tevez SB5. ??? who else should I sign/premote ? And i don't want Lulinha, I'm a Lulinha hater Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMaddicted Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 My squad: Contofalsky- Lahm, Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand - Hargreaves, Ronaldo, Giggs, Van Der Vaart, Scholes - Rooney unbeatable so far 1st season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahno6 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Originally posted by jonahno6:Right I'm going to start as Man Utd and try to build a young squad that will rule for years to come I'm planning GK.Foster DL.Sakho DC.Evans DC.Cathcart DR. ??? ML.Fleck MC.Banega MR.Ronaldo AMC.Anderson FC.Brandy FC.Rooney SB1. ??? (GK) Bounzanis ? SB2. Lee SB3. Gibson SB4. Tevez SB5. Nani who else should I sign/premote ? And i don't want Lulinha, I'm a Lulinha hater Forgot Nani Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizkid Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Originally posted by Evon:wizkid-You could have got much more for your players and who's Fleck? Yeh, i know but i just wanted to get rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSea Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Originally posted by jonahno6:Right I'm going to start as Man Utd and try to build a young squad that will rule for years to come I'm planning GK.Foster DL.Sakho DC.Evans DC.Cathcart DR. ??? ML.Fleck MC.Banega MR.Ronaldo AMC.Anderson FC.Brandy FC.Rooney SB1. ??? (GK) Bounzanis ? SB2. Lee SB3. Gibson SB4. Tevez SB5. ??? who else should I sign/premote ? And i don't want Lulinha, I'm a Lulinha hater you left Tevez on the bench he's doing realy great for me .. scored 4 hattricks .. in general he scored 15 in 8 games; realy amazing.. and you can bring Richards as a DR he's realy great .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizkid Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Is Lee worth keeping? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugle Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Originally posted by Evon:Try sell him but that offer is way too low. Kugle-Report it in the Bugs Forum. Never seen it before. After buying aguero, and by that reducing my transfer budget to 0. I could raise it again through budget adjustment around 20 million so np Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniell Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Originally posted by jonahno6:Right I'm going to start as Man Utd and try to build a young squad that will rule for years to come I'm planning GK.Foster DL.Sakho DC.Evans DC.Cathcart DR. ??? ML.Fleck MC.Banega MR.Ronaldo AMC.Anderson FC.Brandy FC.Rooney SB1. ??? (GK) Bounzanis ? SB2. Lee SB3. Gibson SB4. Tevez SB5. ??? who else should I sign/premote ? And i don't want Lulinha, I'm a Lulinha hater Promote Campbell and Welbeck, scoring for fun early in season four for me anyway. Also for RB take a look at Danny Simpson and whatever you do, keep hold of Lee, he's the new O'shea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xx11 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I would say Danny Simpson is a definate keep. He is my first team right back in season 3, and was a big part in season 2 as well. I would say defence is where we are strongest from the offset and does not require any purchases due to the youngsters available. With Vidic, Evra, Evans, Pique, Simpson and possibly Cathcart you got a defence that is strong for quite awhile. And seems Foster should be good enough for first team place as well, he the main keeper in season 3 for me as VDS dropping fast and didnt want to spend big money on a keeper at start so the young incomer still isnt quite as good as foster but soon will be. Midfield, well I personally kept Nani and Ronaldo as the main wingers but you got alot of choices for young people in midfield. But you got the likes of Kroos, Anderson can be retrained for all of midfield, Pique strong in CM/DM. Gibson and Eagles are quite strong. Can get Fleck, Saviet, lulinha, Baxter as well. All strong. Diego Buonanotte looks solid in my game as well (will screenshot later tonight possibly). Forgot keeper, Eros Corradini could be a decent cheap youngster for future as well. As for up front you got Rooney and Tevez, bring through campbell possibly plus alot of amc's can be retrained there. Also I enjoying fact I got Rossi back in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xx11 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Right decided to do it now,for a two fold reason. The below screenshot is of Buonanotte, however im at the point where I cant decide where I want to blood him into due to his all round ability. It his physical stats that giving me a problem. Diego Buonanotte As you can see he is technically very strong, and good mentally, but physically he just is not that great. Now, I cant work out where to fit him in to my formation. Which is: GK: Foster/VDS/Corrandini DR: Simpson/Bardsley/Neville DL: Evra/Fabio DC: Ferdinand/Evans/Pique DC: Vidic/Evans/Pique MC (Barrow to DMC): Hargreaves/Benega/Carrick/Gibson MR/ML (they switch constantly): Ronaldo/Nani/Dos Santos/Kroos/Saviet and many more AMC (2 amc with farrow) Rossi/Rooney/Tevez + (santos/kroos/ronaldo) FC: Rooney/Rossi/Tevez The AMC's and FC got player swap so the 3 keep rotating who is up top, which is where my problem is with playing Buonanotte, i dont hink he be able to cope up top and dont want to change tactic for him, however he isnt looking strong enough to play the MC position either currently What you folks think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitchy Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Originally posted by Kugle:Hmm i cant adjust my transfer/wage budget. Has anyone had this "bug" before ?. I have to much money in my wage budget, and i would like to move them to my transfer budget. But when i press the adjust button im only allowed to move "0" :/ wtf ? I've got that too. It's a bug and I think it's been fixed in one of the patches - but I haven't got any of the patches yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniell Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 xx11, ignore the stats and just giv Buonanotte a trial game in each of the midfield/striking positions to get an idea of where he fits best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evon Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Originally posted by xx11:Right decided to do it now,for a two fold reason. The below screenshot is of Buonanotte, however im at the point where I cant decide where I want to blood him into due to his all round ability. It his physical stats that giving me a problem. Diego Buonanotte As you can see he is technically very strong, and good mentally, but physically he just is not that great. Now, I cant work out where to fit him in to my formation. Which is: GK: Foster/VDS/Corrandini DR: Simpson/Bardsley/Neville DL: Evra/Fabio DC: Ferdinand/Evans/Pique DC: Vidic/Evans/Pique MC (Barrow to DMC): Hargreaves/Benega/Carrick/Gibson MR/ML (they switch constantly): Ronaldo/Nani/Dos Santos/Kroos/Saviet and many more AMC (2 amc with farrow) Rossi/Rooney/Tevez + (santos/kroos/ronaldo) FC: Rooney/Rossi/Tevez The AMC's and FC got player swap so the 3 keep rotating who is up top, which is where my problem is with playing Buonanotte, i dont hink he be able to cope up top and dont want to change tactic for him, however he isnt looking strong enough to play the MC position either currently What you folks think? His physical stats have improved brilliantly from the start where they were 2's and even 1's. Play him at AMC in cup games. And get another left back. I doubt Fabio is that great. Didnt need him after Anderson became beast. Also Gago would be too expensive imo and Hargreaves/Carrick are very good And Banega is better anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NozEE Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Originally posted by xx11:Right decided to do it now,for a two fold reason. The below screenshot is of Buonanotte, however im at the point where I cant decide where I want to blood him into due to his all round ability. It his physical stats that giving me a problem. Diego Buonanotte As you can see he is technically very strong, and good mentally, but physically he just is not that great. Now, I cant work out where to fit him in to my formation. Which is: GK: Foster/VDS/Corrandini DR: Simpson/Bardsley/Neville DL: Evra/Fabio DC: Ferdinand/Evans/Pique DC: Vidic/Evans/Pique MC (Barrow to DMC): Hargreaves/Benega/Carrick/Gibson MR/ML (they switch constantly): Ronaldo/Nani/Dos Santos/Kroos/Saviet and many more AMC (2 amc with farrow) Rossi/Rooney/Tevez + (santos/kroos/ronaldo) FC: Rooney/Rossi/Tevez The AMC's and FC got player swap so the 3 keep rotating who is up top, which is where my problem is with playing Buonanotte, i dont hink he be able to cope up top and dont want to change tactic for him, however he isnt looking strong enough to play the MC position either currently What you folks think? Don't use him. He's not good enough in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy gra Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Originally posted by NozEE:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xx11: Right decided to do it now,for a two fold reason. The below screenshot is of Buonanotte, however im at the point where I cant decide where I want to blood him into due to his all round ability. It his physical stats that giving me a problem. Diego Buonanotte As you can see he is technically very strong, and good mentally, but physically he just is not that great. Now, I cant work out where to fit him in to my formation. Which is: GK: Foster/VDS/Corrandini DR: Simpson/Bardsley/Neville DL: Evra/Fabio DC: Ferdinand/Evans/Pique DC: Vidic/Evans/Pique MC (Barrow to DMC): Hargreaves/Benega/Carrick/Gibson MR/ML (they switch constantly): Ronaldo/Nani/Dos Santos/Kroos/Saviet and many more AMC (2 amc with farrow) Rossi/Rooney/Tevez + (santos/kroos/ronaldo) FC: Rooney/Rossi/Tevez The AMC's and FC got player swap so the 3 keep rotating who is up top, which is where my problem is with playing Buonanotte, i dont hink he be able to cope up top and dont want to change tactic for him, however he isnt looking strong enough to play the MC position either currently What you folks think? Don't use him. He's not good enough in my opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Probably best at AMC. Just get the other AMC and the FC to swap. I like to have my AMC and FC swapping when two of Rooney, Tevez, Fernandez or Andy play there, but don't bother if Scholes is at AMC or Saha at FC for example. And I swap my wingers if possible, but only if both can play either side well. And you should have saved yourself the bother and just bought Fernandez instead of Buonanotte. I think he might become this season's Jo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy gra Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Originally posted by Kugle:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Evon: Try sell him but that offer is way too low. Kugle-Report it in the Bugs Forum. Never seen it before. After buying aguero, and by that reducing my transfer budget to 0. I could raise it again through budget adjustment around 20 million so np </div></BLOCKQUOTE>How much was Aguero? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evon Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 There's no real need to buy Fernandez unless you don't trust Nani. Anderson is just as good and there are quite a few fffb youngsters in the reserves so the only vacancy may be on the left. People should really be looking to the reserves and at the youth talent because it's some of the best talent we've had in years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniell Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 My team I'm unfortunatle like Benitez because I constantly rotate my first 11. I play a 4-5-1 formation, and like to catch teams out using fast flowing counter attacks. The only regan in my first team squad is Barry Jenkins he came through my youth system and has the potential to be a leading premiership goalkeeper. I recently demoted the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Neville to my reserves I would sell but they're good for tutoring my youngsters plus I want them to stay on as coaches. As for finances I have £125m to spend. Any advice? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy gra Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Originally posted by sniell:My team I'm unfortunatle like Benitez because I constantly rotate my first 11. I play a 4-5-1 formation, and like to catch teams out using fast flowing counter attacks. The only regan in my first team squad is Barry Jenkins he came through my youth system and has the potential to be a leading premiership goalkeeper. I recently demoted the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Neville to my reserves I would sell but they're good for tutoring my youngsters plus I want them to stay on as coaches. As for finances I have £125m to spend. Any advice? Get a better keeper than Kuscrap. He's done OK backing up VDS for me so far, but that was in easish cup games and I don't think he's good enough. Have you sold Foster?And sell Park too. Lee Martin is better than him. There's no real need to buy Fernandez unless you don't trust Nani. Anderson is just as good and there are quite a few fffb youngsters in the reserves so the only vacancy may be on the left. People should really be looking to the reserves and at the youth talent because it's some of the best talent we've had in years. There is a need when you need another ST and he is great upfront. I've been using Nani quite a bit as well as Martin anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniell Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Get a better keeper than Kuscrap. He's done OK backing up VDS for me so far, but that was in easish cup games and I don't think he's good enough. Have you sold Foster?And sell Park too. Lee Martin is better than him. Foster requested a transfer a couple of seasons ago and went to the Arses for 6 million. (It was either that or he'd leave under the bosman ruling.) I've already sold Martin and Parkie's been setting up tons of goals. I probably could do with a better keeper, might look into it in the january transfer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy gra Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Here's something everyone could benefit from - 7 star coaches to buy: Joao Aroso - Fitness Thomas Wolter - Attacking Mark Dempsey (promote from youth coach) - Ball Control Robert Duverne - fitness 6 stars: Eric Harrison (promote) - Set pieces Paul McGuiness (promote) - Ball control I also bought a regen (I think) coach who is a 7 star tactics coach. Have a look for these as they do the job without costing lots of compensation, but they're random I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesberner Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 For all you critics of Sam Hewson - <a href="http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=samhewsonip9.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7871/samhewsonip9.th.jpg" border="0" alt="Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us" /></a> Wonderkid - Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesberner Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 stats - Wonderkid - Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrick777 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 have any one of you gotten the new york red bulls as one of your feeder clubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evon Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Originally posted by sniell:My team The only regan in my first team squad is Barry Jenkins he came through my youth system and has the potential to be a leading premiership goalkeeper. Not with 7 aerial ability. And 11 communication. Maybe if he was perfect at everything else, but he's not. Get 2 new GK's, a RB, a LB, a CB-or promote Evans or Cathcart-, a winger or two and a striker. I can see why you've got so much money because the squad's barely improved. You've got alot of dead weight too. Sell a defender or two, Fletcher, Woods-why buy him when there is better in the reserves?-, PJS-why even play him?-and Saha. Why rotate with players like Woods and PJS around? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniell Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Not with 7 aerial ability. And 11 communication. Maybe if he was perfect at everything else, but he's not. Get 2 new GK's, a RB, a LB, a CB-or promote Evans or Cathcart-, a winger or two and a striker. Evans and Cathcart are both on loan at Antwerp, I'm hoping they'll play together regually and develop an understanding. For left back and right back I might give the brazilian twins a go, but they're on loan at Maccabi Haifa. As for the wingers I have Gailbraith and Devonshire, a regan, both on loan at Antwerp and they're both looking promising. I've still got hold of Brandy so I'll give him a game or two. Thanks for the help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesberner Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 How do you get rid of regens picture profiles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy gra Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Preferences > Display & Sound > Display options Then choose either just real pictures or no pictures. I'm glad that option is in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugle Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Gra: around 40 million He's one of the most similar to owen statswise, so i choosed him over owen as he's older and around the same price. btw. he have scored 4 goals in 2 matches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy gra Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Keep us posted on how he does. I'm gonna go for him, but got to keep him unsettled (did that straight away). Not sure how much he'll cost, but has a min. fee clause of £32m Was your 40m in £ or another currency? And so what about 4 in 2? Saha got a hattrick away at Stuttgart and currently has 1 in my on going game at home to Reading in the LC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy gra Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 How often do you lot get confidence updates? I just got one randomly on the 2nd of December and the board say, "I should be performing slightly better. The biggest disappointment is the poor performance in the Premier Division". I'm 1st in the league ffs. Wtf? I do like the much improved confidence section with the spokespersons, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniell Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Originally posted by crazy gra:I do like the much improved confidence section with the spokespersons, though. Me too, it's a good idea but still needs tweaking, the things it says can be complete rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy gra Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 And just in case the board still think I'm doing a crap job, I've just won the manager of the month award for November then won 3-0 at Pompey in a 2nd v 1st battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugle Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Lol there experineced those kind of confidence reports Haha Saha scoring goals, must be a joke . Well i'll keep you updated he's sure worth going for imo. hes fffb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evon Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 The confidence section isn't good enough. I scored twice against Tottenham as Bristol City but lost 5-2 after getting someone sent off while it was at 2-1 to them and only 20 minutes in yet my supporters were disgusted? **** them. I also beat West Ham 3-2 yet they were disappointed that we didn't convert more chances. Wtf? At least with Man Utd they have it spot on. Micheal Owen is an inspired signing. Well he is top scorer in practically everything and on the FIFA World Player of the Year shortlist. I still haven't got into 2008 yet though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugle Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Whats up with all the rubbish bugs :/? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evon Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Patch your game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugle Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Originally posted by Evon: Patch your game. Im on the 8.01 weegies ? is there a new patch ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniell Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Kugle, I'm pretty sure the young International sides are allowed one older player in their team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne13284 Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 how do u put the weegie update into 8.01 patch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugle Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Sniell: really i dont know , so it isnt a bug that a 37 yo play for the under 23 yo national team. wayne13284: Just go to the weegie forums theres is a small update for the 8.01 patch, with missing transfers, cup/league names fixed, netherland and german natinal team playable etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne13284 Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 kugle i have it downloaded but dont know where to put it mate can u help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evon Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Originally posted by sniell:Kugle, I'm pretty sure the young International sides are allowed one older player in their team. A 37 year old... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir frosinone Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 quote:Originally posted by sniell: Kugle, I'm pretty sure the young International sides are allowed one older player in their team. A 37 year old... yes at the olympics they are allowed to have 3 over 23 players which is how kaka has said he wants to play in the next one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugle Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Originally posted by wayne13284:kugle i have it downloaded but dont know where to put it mate can u help Put it in your DB (database) folder. And it should pop up as one of the options when you create a game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugle Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Okay im trying to get Leigthon Baines for around 7 million, which is pretty cheap. But he requires some sick wages almost twice evras wage. Is he known for his wage demands ? never had him before, thats why i ask hehe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy gra Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Originally posted by Kugle:Lol there experineced those kind of confidence reports Haha Saha scoring goals, must be a joke . Well i'll keep you updated he's sure worth going for imo. hes fffb Hopefully he keeps scoring so I can sell him for lots. Aguero is still unsettled and wants to be transfer listed, so I'll hopefully get him or Owen at the end of the season.Cech's also unsettled as Chelsea aren't doing too well, but probably can't afford him yet. Don't pay too much wages too Baines if you don't think he'll play too much. I wouldn't say you need him as Silvestre always does well for me and Evra is 1st choice anyway. I am trying to get Heinze back, though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kugle Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Originally posted by crazy gra:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kugle: Lol there experineced those kind of confidence reports Haha Saha scoring goals, must be a joke . Well i'll keep you updated he's sure worth going for imo. hes fffb Hopefully he keeps scoring so I can sell him for lots. Aguero is still unsettled and wants to be transfer listed, so I'll hopefully get him or Owen at the end of the season.Cech's also unsettled as Chelsea aren't doing too well, but probably can't afford him yet. Don't pay too much wages too Baines if you don't think he'll play too much. I wouldn't say you need him as Silvestre always does well for me and Evra is 1st choice anyway. I am trying to get Heinze back, though </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Sure get one of them, they play very well. Owen is a bit injury prone as you might know . Sure get Cech to weakend Chelsea. As for baines. I've bought him for 7 million, but have payed abit too much in wage. I'll sell him next year if i can get abidal/chillini/criscito though. Have sold silvestre . Evra was my only LB last season, so he had a hard schedule, veloso played in a few games as LB so that Evra could rest hehe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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