Would love feedback on these ideas: Dynamo Kiev season 2

[Hoofenballen]

Hello Everyone

Ive been playing as Dynamo Kiev and im into season 2. I may write in the careers forum as its a very enjoyable team to manage.

First season we pushed Shakhtar all the way for the title, eventually finishing 2nd but a long way ahead of third, whilst in europe we came through all the qualifying rounds but couldnt quite turn the draws into wins against our more reputable opponents in the Conference League group stage and we were eliminated.

Now off the back of our performance last season we are in the champions league, so need to be solid and carry a threat to win against vastly superior opposition.

Just wanted your thoughts on these tactics if possible. I am running with four tactics, and depending on the opposition/time of season and threats, i swap in the 4th tactic as and when:

Home Tactics: Standard patient passing tactic used most of the time

Aggressive pass and move home tactic: for weaker opponents or where we need more creativity

Pragmatic away tactic used against most opponents in most situations which defends pretty solidly

Proactive away tactic where we are getting more possession and have an opportunity to look more threatening

 

Across the four tactics, ive been going with these player instructions:

GK/SK: None

IWB/L: Close down more, mark tighter

CB/L: Close down more, mark tighter

CB/R: Close down more, mark tighter

CWB/WB R: Close down more, mark tighter

SV/L: Move into channels, more risky passes

HB/R: More direct passes

IW/L: Stay Wider

AM/C: Mark opposition DMC(L), roam from position, move into channels, dribble more, more risky passes

TRQ/IW R: Cut inside with ball (as a trequartista); Stay wide, cut inside with ball (as an inverted winger)

AF/A: Mark opposition DMC(R)

 

Why these player positions and roles?

 

Although ive not put the actual players onto the tactic as they swap around game to game, the principle of the tactic is:

• The main goalscorers of the team are the inverted winger on the left, and the advanced forward, with the attacking midfielder chipping in with goals at times and the occasional thunderbolt from the segundo volante.

 

• The objective of the tactic is a right sided overload which drags the opponent over towards the technically gifted players on the right side, for a quick switch of play into the inverted winger or through ball for chances. it also frees up the middle of the pitch for the segundo volante to get involved.

 

• Whoever plays in the Trequartista/inverted winger on the right position has player traits to come deep for the ball, move into channels, and come inside from the right wing. This is coupled with the advancing right wing back, the attacking midfielder who drifts over to the right channel and can come deep, and the half back who drops into what would be somewhere between a right centre back in a back 3 position and a right DM position, to create a 4 man passing "wedge" to play through opponents and drag the opposition out of shape

 

• The half back has a player trait to switch ball to flanks, which is great when coupled with more direct passing, as when hs is the player within the "wedge" who has the ball, he will sometimes orchestrate the pass to the left wing for the switch of play

 

• The freed up segundo volante is a good creator, he usually has time and space to slide through balls into the left inverted winger and advanced forward

 

• The inverted winger left has good dribbling, off the ball and finishing, so he can receive a ball into feet and dribble past his man to shoot/create, or latch onto a good through ball.

 

There are promising signs with these tactics. We finished the domestic season with the 2nd best attack scoring 77 goals in 30 league games (3 worse than Shakhtar), we had 2nd best defence conceding 31 goals in 30 league games (6 goals worse than Shakhtar who conceded 25).

In europe, whilst we only lost once, we drew 4 out of the 6 group games vs Slovan Bratislava, Rijeka and Lugano, so whilst we were very hard to beat, we just couldnt find the killer edge to finish teams off and progress to the knockout rounds.

Now we are in the champions league (qualifiers), its a big step up and one we need to be solid for. Weve just drawn our first qualifier in the 2nd qualifying round 0-0 away to Fenerbahce, a good result, but this is an example of how we just need some extra quality to turn that into a 0-1 win.

 

Any thoughts on these tactics would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You

 

 

Edited June 4 by Hoofenballen

[Cloud9]

On 04/06/2024 at 03:24, Hoofenballen said:

Hello Everyone

Ive been playing as Dynamo Kiev and im into season 2. I may write in the careers forum as its a very enjoyable team to manage.

First season we pushed Shakhtar all the way for the title, eventually finishing 2nd but a long way ahead of third, whilst in europe we came through all the qualifying rounds but couldnt quite turn the draws into wins against our more reputable opponents in the Conference League group stage and we were eliminated.

Now off the back of our performance last season we are in the champions league, so need to be solid and carry a threat to win against vastly superior opposition.

Just wanted your thoughts on these tactics if possible. I am running with four tactics, and depending on the opposition/time of season and threats, i swap in the 4th tactic as and when:

Home Tactics: Standard patient passing tactic used most of the time

Aggressive pass and move home tactic: for weaker opponents or where we need more creativity

Pragmatic away tactic used against most opponents in most situations which defends pretty solidly

Proactive away tactic where we are getting more possession and have an opportunity to look more threatening

 

Across the four tactics, ive been going with these player instructions:

GK/SK: None

IWB/L: Close down more, mark tighter

CB/L: Close down more, mark tighter

CB/R: Close down more, mark tighter

CWB/WB R: Close down more, mark tighter

SV/L: Move into channels, more risky passes

HB/R: More direct passes

IW/L: Stay Wider

AM/C: Mark opposition DMC(L), roam from position, move into channels, dribble more, more risky passes

TRQ/IW R: Cut inside with ball (as a trequartista); Stay wide, cut inside with ball (as an inverted winger)

AF/A: Mark opposition DMC(R)

 

Why these player positions and roles?

 

Although ive not put the actual players onto the tactic as they swap around game to game, the principle of the tactic is:

• The main goalscorers of the team are the inverted winger on the left, and the advanced forward, with the attacking midfielder chipping in with goals at times and the occasional thunderbolt from the segundo volante.

 

• The objective of the tactic is a right sided overload which drags the opponent over towards the technically gifted players on the right side, for a quick switch of play into the inverted winger or through ball for chances. it also frees up the middle of the pitch for the segundo volante to get involved.

 

• Whoever plays in the Trequartista/inverted winger on the right position has player traits to come deep for the ball, move into channels, and come inside from the right wing. This is coupled with the advancing right wing back, the attacking midfielder who drifts over to the right channel and can come deep, and the half back who drops into what would be somewhere between a right centre back in a back 3 position and a right DM position, to create a 4 man passing "wedge" to play through opponents and drag the opposition out of shape

 

• The half back has a player trait to switch ball to flanks, which is great when coupled with more direct passing, as when hs is the player within the "wedge" who has the ball, he will sometimes orchestrate the pass to the left wing for the switch of play

 

• The freed up segundo volante is a good creator, he usually has time and space to slide through balls into the left inverted winger and advanced forward

 

• The inverted winger left has good dribbling, off the ball and finishing, so he can receive a ball into feet and dribble past his man to shoot/create, or latch onto a good through ball.

 

There are promising signs with these tactics. We finished the domestic season with the 2nd best attack scoring 77 goals in 30 league games (3 worse than Shakhtar), we had 2nd best defence conceding 31 goals in 30 league games (6 goals worse than Shakhtar who conceded 25).

In europe, whilst we only lost once, we drew 4 out of the 6 group games vs Slovan Bratislava, Rijeka and Lugano, so whilst we were very hard to beat, we just couldnt find the killer edge to finish teams off and progress to the knockout rounds.

Now we are in the champions league (qualifiers), its a big step up and one we need to be solid for. Weve just drawn our first qualifier in the 2nd qualifying round 0-0 away to Fenerbahce, a good result, but this is an example of how we just need some extra quality to turn that into a 0-1 win.

 

Any thoughts on these tactics would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You

 

 

Looks like a strong foundation 

I would consider utilizing a different 9 when you're playing high up the pitch. I have enjoyed a F9 + SS combo in my 4-2-3-1 this year!

Traditional or off footed wingers might be of interest due to your narrow setup. 

A CWB + IWB is a very aggressive combination. You've got cover in the double pivot, although a bit less w/an SV. I think it could work quite nicely against weaker opposition and leave you exposed vs stronger teams.

[TheMartello]

16 minutes ago, Cloud9 said:

Looks like a strong foundation 

I would consider utilizing a different 9 when you're playing high up the pitch. I have enjoyed a F9 + SS combo in my 4-2-3-1 this year!

Traditional or off footed wingers might be of interest due to your narrow setup. 

A CWB + IWB is a very aggressive combination. You've got cover in the double pivot, although a bit less w/an SV. I think it could work quite nicely against weaker opposition and leave you exposed vs stronger teams.

Could you share your 4-2-3-1?

[Cloud9]

On 05/06/2024 at 09:25, TheMartello said:

Could you share your 4-2-3-1?

This is the base formation I used for my 4-2-3-1:

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Midblock version of the tactic:

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Edited June 6 by Cloud9

[billmatic]

2 hours ago, Cloud9 said:

This is the base formation I used for my 4-2-3-1:

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Midblock version of the tactic:

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Love the less is more approach. I take it you have a few PIs?

[Cloud9]

10 hours ago, billmatic said:

Love the less is more approach. I take it you have a few PIs?

I usually do a heavy amount of pass meters PI tweaks to my tactic and this one is no exception, but mostly it was just about finding the right profiles for each role. I also had several different profile squad players who could come in to make changes. Here's a squad player who I primarily utilized as a DLP(s) change to the double pivot to provide additional control:

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Another example of focusing on profiles of players who compliment each other and the tactic: This is my left winger(s) who I snapped up on free...I wanted him to be a hard working counter part to the 1v1 specialist on right who would be playing on his off foot (a profile of dribbling/flair/speed and agi/balance). I frequently retrain wingbacks to get that hard working winger (s) and this guy was pretty much perfect for providing width and running for the team (w/a bit of set piece danger to boot). The spirited personality is a big deal for me on a player who will be getting stuck in a lot. 

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Beste was averaging 4.5 ball recoveries per 90 which is a little silly and just shows that FM offers a lot more turnovers still. IRL I believe Joao Paulinha was leading the European charts this season with around 6.5-7 tackles/interceptions per 90 as a DM. I think his hard work did a lot to provide the platform for the off foot winger to average 7.4 and win player of the season on our team.

Finding the right profiles to fit your starting 11 + squad players is just as, if not more important, than the actual tactic itself I think. 

Edited June 7 by Cloud9

[coach vahid]

Il y a 13 heures, Cloud9 a dit :

This is the base formation I used for my 4-2-3-1:

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Midblock version of the tactic:

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I'm sorry... But i can't understand why theses instructions and not others.Or the most important is definitely your players ( attributes, roles, traits...) ?

[Cloud9]

11 hours ago, coach vahid said:

I'm sorry... But i can't understand why theses instructions and not others.Or the most important is definitely your players ( attributes, roles, traits...) ?

Passing meters tinkering just increases efficiency in possession. Some tactics require specific PI instructions to function (for example trapping inside on a 3-5-2 where the wingbacks are told to mark tighter and show inside), I just didn't really feel it was necessary to overly micromanage the PIs here as things were working well as is. 

I do add PIs for some matches, such as upping individuals trigger press or adding hold position onto the DM(s), but these are largely situational changes dependent on the oppositon rather than an inherent part of the tactic. In the mid block version of the tactic, I would have liked to add dribble more to the BPD...but did not have a player capable of executing it in the setup. I guess I had the SV(s) shoot less but this was again down to the individual players limitations rather than part of the tactical ideal. In the mid block version the player I would tinker around w/the most is the AP support. 

Mostly I was focused around role changes to impact the game, which played well w/positional play additions and targeting opposition roles.