Game 37: Germany vs Denmark live from the BVB Stadion Dortmund. Saturday ITV1 8pm

[enigmatic]

Not Andersen's day is it really? Letting Musiala have that much space is horrific defending

[SouthCoastRed]

1 minute ago, Darius1998 said:

Musiala not risking a pass to Sane.

Checked who was in the middle, and thought, no way 

[Goldy]

Schlotterbeck has learned that long pass trait from Hummels, Musiala ain't going to do what Sane and Kai do, bang, lovely goal

[JJ72]

Wonder how England did against this team...oh

[av3ry]

That move didn't break down and he flagged offside...

[Goldy]

That most be the most frustrating thing for Füllkrug, they have like 10 chances to put a cross in, and not a single cross. find that annyoing.

[Pedwar Pump]

2 minutes ago, JJ72 said:

Wonder how England did against this team...oh

England weren’t gifted a penalty and a free goal cancellation clause to be fair

[JJ72]

1 minute ago, Pedwar Pump said:

England weren’t gifted a penalty and a free goal cancellation clause to be fair

England didn't attack enough to be gifted a free goldfish let alone a penalty

[Pedwar Pump]

“Like the great batsman, he always has time to pick a pass”

 

WTF does this even mean?

[noikeee]

6 minutes ago, davehanson said:

It feels wrong because the handball rules is a joke

I don't disagree, I do think handball rules are a bit harsh as it stands

It became clearer which ones are handball and which ones aren't though. Otherwise it becomes a game of "is this shot close enough to call handball or not"

[av3ry]

At least we have a winner so this don't go on for donkeys years.

[JJ72]

6.9 for the dive and roll Rudiger

[EnterUsernameHere]

Just now, av3ry said:

At least we have a winner so this don't go on for donkeys years.

Has it been that bad? I think it's been a decent watch.

[Smallen]

Danes just don’t have any quality up front to hurt Germany with

[The_jagster]

7 minutes ago, Pedwar Pump said:

England weren’t gifted a penalty and a free goal cancellation clause to be fair

Denmark were also given one in about the 5th minute...

[Icondacarver]

4 minutes ago, Pedwar Pump said:

“Like the great batsman, he always has time to pick a pass”

 

WTF does this even mean?

"No one knows what it means, but its provocative"

[Darius1998]

2 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

Has it been that bad? I think it's been a decent watch.

Probably meant the storm delay there.

[The_jagster]

1 minute ago, Smallen said:

Danes just don’t have any quality up front to hurt Germany with

They were like this in the World Cup, work hard, technically competent, toothless in attack

[Pedwar Pump]

This could actually be the game that kills my enthusiasm for football, the officiating and VAR have just drained all the joy out of it, regardless of whether the end decisions are technically correct or not. 

[ThanatosAFC]

Wirtz has to play that ball faster. 

[Haguey]

I hope he knew he was offside there because that was awful

[av3ry]

8 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

Has it been that bad? I think it's been a decent watch.

No not bad. Just long. No one's fault, it was the weather.

[CFuller]

Cheeky from Wirtz. Shame he was offside.

Could be 4-1 instead of 2-0. 

[dafuge]

40 minutes ago, Rob1981 said:

OH MY DAYS

Does this mean England aren’t awful after all? 

Hopefully this doesn't confirm England as being awful. We can blame VAR, right?

[m_fenton]

English VAR ffs. Just sack them.

[av3ry]

That decision seemed long didn't it?

Edited June 29 by av3ry

[m_fenton]

Just now, av3ry said:

That decision seemed long didn't it?

Everyone, except the VAR, took approximately 0.5 seconds to confirm it was off.

[Darius1998]

Havertz still won't score.

[DJ]

Eff off Rüdiger, clown

[JJ72]

Just now, DJ said:

Eff off Rüdiger, clown

Wish english players would show as much passion

[Haguey]

Dunno how he's been for Arsenal but he's just not an good finisher is he

[georginho_juventusygr]

Wolves were right.

[Darren Moores Mum]

"Back to their old selves"

Don't think Germany were that good, Clive.

[martinji]

why is Clive waxing so lyrical about Germany beating a rather limited Denmark team?!   

[Haguey]

Just now, Darren Moores Mum said:

"Back to their old selves"

Don't think Germany were that good, Clive.

Yeah, got the calls, got the luck and then punished the Danes when they had to go forward a bit. Don't think they are all that

[Rob1981]

Bit of a damp squib from Clive. I thought he might go out with another VAR rant.

[Orzelek]

Jawohl  

 

Deserved win for Germany, but the rules about handball penalties are still stupid and should be changed.

[av3ry]

I though Denmark played better tonight than they did against England. And they got stuffed. Whoever wins out of that Germany, Spain, France, Portugal, Belgium gauntlet will win this tournament unfortunately. Up to us, the Dutch and the Swiss, maybe Austria to stop them. I can see one of Switzerland or Austria getting to the final but winning the lot? Can't see it against the other half unfortunately.

Edited June 29 by av3ry

[The_jagster]

Unkel is good at explaining interpretations, why did they used to have Walton

[Rob1981]

“PROXIMITY IS NOT LONGER A MITIGATING FACTOR!!!”  

**** me, what have they done to football.

[Vynal Seven]

So Oliver got everything right yet we still had a thread full of people moaning about English referees. 

[SouthCoastRed]

17 minutes ago, Rob1981 said:

Bit of a damp squib from Clive. I thought he might go out with another VAR rant.

Very low key goodnight, didn't even really say goodbye, shame I expected a decent monologue at least

[ceefax the cat]

Yet another big game ruined by a soft VAR handball penalty. The thing absolutely nobody was demanding more of before they decided to spoil the sport by giving way, way more of them.

I hate them with a passion. Zero players and fans have ever complained that not enough pens were being given for handball, hardly anybody has ever deliberately handballed to gain an advantage, and almost no handballs ever particularly affect the chances of a team scoring. But here we are thanks to some weird wave of bizarre, senseless dogmatism at the expense of sport, of fairness, of risk / reward and jeopardy being balanced to produce a worthwhile spectacle, and now it feels like about 1 in 3 big games are massively affected by them.

Penalties as a whole need to be reformed because the punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime in almost all cases, but these are the worst. Years of top-level football have been horribly tainted by VAR and especially by soft fv<king VAR handball penalties. Fv<k off.

Edited June 29 by ceefax the cat

[georginho_juventusygr]

I still don't understand why in football, the position of the hands of Andersen is judged unnatural, while having your arms behind your back is natural.

Humans don't run around with their arms behind their back. And they don't stand so either.

[The Amazing Dale Watkins]

Fair play to the German media calling the hand ball decision technically correct, but not in the spirit of football. I agree. Danes were very unlucky, even if Germany was the better team. 

[The Amazing Dale Watkins]

2 hours ago, ceefax the cat said:

Yet another big game ruined by a soft VAR handball penalty. The thing absolutely nobody was demanding more of before they decided to spoil the sport by giving way, way more of them.

I hate them with a passion. Zero players and fans have ever complained that not enough pens were being given for handball, hardly anybody has ever deliberately handballed to gain an advantage, and almost no handballs ever particularly affect the chances of a team scoring. But here we are thanks to some weird wave of bizarre, senseless dogmatism at the expense of sport, of fairness, of risk / reward and jeopardy being balanced to produce a worthwhile spectacle, and now it feels like about 1 in 3 big games are massively affected by them.

Penalties as a whole need to be reformed because the punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime in almost all cases, but these are the worst. Years of top-level football have been horribly tainted by VAR and especially by soft fv<king VAR handball penalties. Fv<k off.

I'm German and biased, but I agree with you 100%. 

[VamPook]

[RTHerringbone]

Is "clear and obvious" still a thing? Does it get overruled for goals?

[Haguey]

The offside is offside, this is why we have the semi auto VAR. Baffling that there is so much chat about it beyond it affecting the underdog.

The handball while technically correct (the best kind of correct) is obviously a bit annoying especially as the hand isn't up rather it's out away from his body to balance him turning from the cross. You'd be annoyed to concede that one.

And the dissent stuff getting booked is fine and has happened all tournament.

[Pukey]

Clear and obvious has never been a thing for offsides. It's a 100% factual decision, you're either offside or you're not. How ones that close should be handled and what the rules should be is a separate debate.