FM23&24 Reserves Matches

[Uncle Adi]

Hi

I've told my reserves manager to arrange a friendly every week but he never does, any idea why please?

I'm in the Austrian PL and they're not in a league, so unless I arrange the friendlies they don't play.

The U18 team doesn't have the same problem, but they do have competitions and the U18 manager/HOYD arranges friendlies in quiet weeks, as he's supposed to.

[Uncle Adi]

23 hours ago, Uncle Adi said:

Hi

I've told my reserves manager to arrange a friendly every week but he never does, any idea why please?

I'm in the Austrian PL and they're not in a league, so unless I arrange the friendlies they don't play.

The U18 team doesn't have the same problem, but they do have competitions and the U18 manager/HOYD arranges friendlies in quiet weeks, as he's supposed to.

Following on from this, I've seen that the other clubs have a second team in the lower leagues e.g. Rapid Vienna II, is it possible to create one of these? Has anyone ever done this?

Also, I vaguely remember now in a previous version of FM my small club had to meet certain criteria before the reserves could join a league, any idea where to look for such info?

I think it might solve my original question as well if they were playing competitively.

[Uncle Adi]

Has no one else had this then? I'm guessing the Austrian league isn't that popular

[scythian12]

If your reserves  are not part of an active league at the start of the game, they never will be (for some reason they are barred from getting promoted even if the league could in theory accomodate them) because this is just not a thing in English football for which FM is mainly set up. It also sounds like you created the reserves during the save, because otherwise I would imagine them being inactively in the Austrian lower divisions... (you would see stats on players in the team, but no games simulated)

[Uncle Adi]

16 hours ago, scythian12 said:

If your reserves  are not part of an active league at the start of the game, they never will be (for some reason they are barred from getting promoted even if the league could in theory accomodate them) because this is just not a thing in English football for which FM is mainly set up. It also sounds like you created the reserves during the save, because otherwise I would imagine them being inactively in the Austrian lower divisions... (you would see stats on players in the team, but no games simulated)

Thanks buddy, it looks like you're right. The U18 fixtures go back to 22/23 but the reserves only to 25/26, which is probably when I first had a squad big enough for a full reserves team and started paying attention to it.

I guess it's just a bug that when that's the case the manager ignores my orders to arrange friendlies.

[oche balboa]

I would suggest arranging friendlies yourself for the reserves, That way you can control who you play and let your coach run the team 

[Uncle Adi]

8 hours ago, oche balboa said:

I would suggest arranging friendlies yourself for the reserves, That way you can control who you play and let your coach run the team 

Yeah that's what I do, but I'm paying this other guy to do it and he's ignoring me

[oche balboa]

16 hours ago, Uncle Adi said:

Yeah that's what I do, but I'm paying this other guy to do it and he's ignoring me

LOL, Just get him to coach it. 

[scythian12]

It may be the case that the assistant cannot organize a friendly because the stadium is blocked on the matchday. Idk whether a) there are enough teams b) or venues free in the vicinity during the season for the game to be able to find opponents.

[Uncle Adi]

I have a similar situation now in Germany.

I've taken Braunschweig from Liga3 to Liga2 and we have a Braunschweig II team/club and the same thing happens with friendlies: he arranges them during pre-season but as soon as the season starts I have to do it myself.

I'm also wondering how I can get them to play in a league? Liga3 (and maybe2) has some of the other clubs' 2nd teams in it, and some of the other clubs' 2nd teams play in regional divisions so why not mine?

I thought they might play in Liga3 after we got promoted but that wasn't the case. 

Edit: (I've since moved over to FM24 part way through this season if that makes a difference)

Edited September 9 by Uncle Adi

[Uncle Adi]

On 09/09/2024 at 11:45, Uncle Adi said:

I have a similar situation now in Germany.

I've taken Braunschweig from Liga3 to Liga2 and we have a Braunschweig II team/club and the same thing happens with friendlies: he arranges them during pre-season but as soon as the season starts I have to do it myself.

I'm also wondering how I can get them to play in a league? Liga3 (and maybe2) has some of the other clubs' 2nd teams in it, and some of the other clubs' 2nd teams play in regional divisions so why not mine?

I thought they might play in Liga3 after we got promoted but that wasn't the case. 

Edit: (I've since moved over to FM24 part way through this season if that makes a difference)

 

I figured out what was going on here: it's because the second team are playing in a regional division but because the lower leagues aren't loaded the matches are kind of happening behind the scenes, as it were.

Anyway, my next question is does anyone know if/how I can get match reports into my inbox for the 2nd team friendlies I arrange?

I use them to keep the first-team squad fit and it would be nice to know if someone has a stormer without having to go and look it up myself, which I rarely think to do.

Edited November 22 by Uncle Adi

[nms1987]

On 02/08/2024 at 20:29, scythian12 said:

If your reserves  are not part of an active league at the start of the game, they never will be (for some reason they are barred from getting promoted even if the league could in theory accommodate them) because this is just not a thing in English football for which FM is mainly set up. It also sounds like you created the reserves during the save, because otherwise I would imagine them being inactively in the Austrian lower divisions... (you would see stats on players in the team, but no games simulated)

This isn't all true, I would assume this depends on the league and its rules.

While I have a lot of issues with how poorly SI has handled B-teams, its not just based on England.  It is based on how each nation does it, or at least that is the goal.  For example I have created B teams in Portugal [not "created" via editor, created via asking board to make one for me] and gotten them promoted into the playable 4th tier.  If you want to make sure they get promoted you can use the editor to give them a 9000 reputation at the end of the regular season.  Reputation is how all clubs get promoted from the unplayable leagues.  

In some leagues though there are IRL (and FM) rules against B team promotions.  For example in France, B teams cannot rise above the 4th tier. (which is playable in FM).  I think in Germany they cannot rise above the (playable) 3.Liga

One issue I did once have with getting B teams promoted into real leagues was in Spain.  I created [not "created" via editor, created via asking board to make one for me] a B team for a club that did not have one.  I used the editor to give them 9999 reputation, but year after year no promotion.  Why?  I believe it was because the B team when created was assigned to play in the local regional league (6th tier).  But above that there is an unplayable 5th tier.  It is from this 5th tier (IRL Tercera Federacion/3a RFEF) that teams get promoted into the playable 4th tier (Segunda Federacion/2a RFEF).  And teams never got moved from that 6th into the 5th tier, even with 9999 reputation, so they were forever stuck.

To answer @Uncle Adi, yes it is possible to create a B team for a team that does not already have one.  I have done so in Spain and Portugal.  But it depends on your board.  It will come up as an option in board interactions.  Depending on your club and board, that request could be denied though.

Edited November 26 by nms1987

[Uncle Adi]

On 23/11/2024 at 02:01, nms1987 said:

This isn't all true, I would assume this depends on the league and its rules.

While I have a lot of issues with how poorly SI has handled B-teams, its not just based on England.  It is based on how each nation does it, or at least that is the goal.  For example I have created B teams in Portugal and gotten them promoted into the playable 4th tier.  If you want to make sure they get promoted you can use the editor to give them a 9000 reputation at the end of the regular season.  Reputation is how all clubs get promoted from the unplayable leagues.  

In some leagues though there are IRL (and FM) rules against B team promotions.  For example in France, B teams cannot rise above the 4th tier. (which is playable in FM).  I think in Germany they cannot rise above the (playable) 3.Liga

One issue I did once have with getting B teams promoted into real leagues was in Spain.  I created a B team for a club that did not have one.  I used the editor to give them 9999 reputation, but year after year no promotion.  Why?  I believe it was because the B team when created was assigned to play in the local regional league (6th tier).  But above that there is an unplayable 5th tier.  It is from this 5th tier (IRL Tercera Federacion/3a RFEF) that teams get promoted into the playable 4th tier (Segunda Federacion/2a RFEF).  And teams never got moved from that 6th into the 5th tier, even with 9999 reputation, so they were forever stuck.

To answer @Uncle Adi, yes it is possible to create a B team for a team that does not already have one.  I have done so in Spain and Portugal.  But it depends on your board.  It will come up as an option in board interactions.  Depending on your club and board, that request could be denied though.

 

Thanks buddy, it's moot now for my current save as I've switched clubs but good to know for future games.

I also got to the bottom of why the Braunschweig II manager wasn't arranging friendlies, so I presume it was the same at Linz with the reserves manager.

 

On 22/11/2024 at 19:27, Uncle Adi said:

 

I figured out what was going on here: it's because the second team are playing in a regional division but because the lower leagues aren't loaded the matches are kind of happening behind the scenes, as it were.

Anyway, my next question is does anyone know if/how I can get match reports into my inbox for the 2nd team friendlies I arrange?

I use them to keep the first-team squad fit and it would be nice to know if someone has a stormer without having to go and look it up myself, which I rarely think to do.

 

[scythian12]

On 23/11/2024 at 03:01, nms1987 said:

This isn't all true, I would assume this depends on the league and its rules.

While I have a lot of issues with how poorly SI has handled B-teams, its not just based on England.  It is based on how each nation does it, or at least that is the goal.  For example I have created B teams in Portugal and gotten them promoted into the playable 4th tier.  If you want to make sure they get promoted you can use the editor to give them a 9000 reputation at the end of the regular season.  Reputation is how all clubs get promoted from the unplayable leagues.  

In some leagues though there are IRL (and FM) rules against B team promotions.  For example in France, B teams cannot rise above the 4th tier. (which is playable in FM).  I think in Germany they cannot rise above the (playable) 3.Liga

One issue I did once have with getting B teams promoted into real leagues was in Spain.  I created a B team for a club that did not have one.  I used the editor to give them 9999 reputation, but year after year no promotion.  Why?  I believe it was because the B team when created was assigned to play in the local regional league (6th tier).  But above that there is an unplayable 5th tier.  It is from this 5th tier (IRL Tercera Federacion/3a RFEF) that teams get promoted into the playable 4th tier (Segunda Federacion/2a RFEF).  And teams never got moved from that 6th into the 5th tier, even with 9999 reputation, so they were forever stuck.

To answer @Uncle Adi, yes it is possible to create a B team for a team that does not already have one.  I have done so in Spain and Portugal.  But it depends on your board.  It will come up as an option in board interactions.  Depending on your club and board, that request could be denied though.

Did you create the reserve teams with a separate ID and an affiliation as a reserve team, or through the reserves / youth tab of the main club in the editor?

[nms1987]

9 hours ago, scythian12 said:

Did you create the reserve teams with a separate ID and an affiliation as a reserve team, or through the reserves / youth tab of the main club in the editor?

B team wasn't created via editor.  It was created via asking board for a B team.

If you know a way of making it act more like a reserves/youth side via FMRTE I'm all ears!  Current issue is that FM treats it as separate, quasi-independent affiliate club basically

Only thing changed via editor was boosting the rep to 9000 so it would be promoted to a playable league (and then dropping it back down to an appropriate level, 2500 or so) and changing B team status to Professional.  It defaulted to semi-pro when created, which is very dumb.  SI thinks a development path for a teenager prospect would be to graduate from a professional club's U19s and then drop down to semi-pro for some reason, before then maybe making the professional senior squad.  Would make sense if I was in the 3rd tier maybe, but my club is fighting for European places in a top 6 league!

As it is, FM still doesn't quite get that the B team is part of my club.  For example, if I loan in a player to play for my B team (to evaluate him with an option to buy) I will lose the scouting info on him, just as if he was some random prospect in Brasil I didn't know well.  I have to promote or demote him to u19 or senior club to see his scouting info, or send a scout to scout a guy on my own B team.  Only happens with some loaned in players, not all of them, and never to a player I own.

 

Edited November 25 by nms1987