Is Institute - Drafts

[EnigMattic1]

Figured I'd start a thread as I don't feel this is a 'simple' question.

My understanding is, having the box "Is Institute" ticked for a club in the editor means that the club is unable to sign players and would, therefore, be reliant on developing their own players.

But,

What would happen if said team was also able to take part in a draft? Would they actually be allowed to select a player or not? If they could select a player, would he be eligible to play due to the aforementioned "Is Institute" ruling?  

[Wolf_pd]

Good question and valid thought.

[EnigMattic1]

1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said:

Good question and valid thought.

I will have to test it and find out. I'm currently planning my Canadian expansion for FM25 and, if my theory works, I can feed Collegiate and University teams via a draft selecting from High School teams.

[Roy Race 9]

On 08/08/2024 at 04:15, EnigMattic1 said:

Figured I'd start a thread as I don't feel this is a 'simple' question.

My understanding is, having the box "Is Institute" ticked for a club in the editor means that the club is unable to sign players and would, therefore, be reliant on developing their own players.

But,

What would happen if said team was also able to take part in a draft? Would they actually be allowed to select a player or not? If they could select a player, would he be eligible to play due to the aforementioned "Is Institute" ruling?  

Never thought of this at all 

I think you are right on this point

On 08/08/2024 at 04:38, Wolf_pd said:

Good question and valid thought.

you know what I am thinking of doing

would this theory work with making a 'Big' club an institute  and making them not be able to sign anyone just develop their own academy players

I thought I would check if "Is Institute" just refers to reserve/U18 teams etc

but found some clubs in many domestic leagues are set to "Is Institute", so sounds interesting

squad seem to be all homegrown 

 

Edited August 9 by Roy Race 9

[Roy Race 9]

looked at this club set "Is Institute"

but squad has players from all over the World and they been signed by the club not brought through the academy 

Edited August 9 by Roy Race 9

[EnigMattic1]

So, for the test, I selected a club and set them to "is institute" in the editor. One month into the test, they sign someone. I didn't think they could sign players? 

[oJMPx]

Have you managed to get drafts working? Every time i set one up, every team just ends up passing on their pick. Tested for 75+ years and no team ever makes a draft pick

[EnigMattic1]

1 hour ago, oJMPx said:

Have you managed to get drafts working? Every time i set one up, every team just ends up passing on their pick. Tested for 75+ years and no team ever makes a draft pick

I'm doing it in Canada so the draft is already in place. I am just trying to see what happens if a team is set to "is institute" but has draft picks. 

[EnigMattic1]

Ok, I've ran a test for one season initially. As you can see, I have set Valour FC as "Is Institute" in the editor:

Now, here is where things get interesting. Valour made draft picks:

But, despite being set as "Is Institute", they also made other transfers:

I was always under the impression that teams set as "Is Institute" couldn't sign players. Can anyone shed any light on this?

[Wolf_pd]

Players signed from free transfer is something I can see happening. You might call them walk-ons. Free transfers signed from a different teams or with a fee is unexpected.

[EnigMattic1]

1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said:

Players signed from free transfer is something I can see happening. You might call them walk-ons. Free transfers signed from a different teams or with a fee is unexpected.

Well, institutes can have draft picks, so I found out what I needed. I can feed players from high school to college/university teams each year through a draft. 

[Roy Race 9]

On 11/08/2024 at 07:05, Wolf_pd said:

Players signed from free transfer is something I can see happening. You might call them walk-ons. Free transfers signed from a different teams or with a fee is unexpected.

I set Man City to is institute and they still brought players in

is there anything else[apart from a transfer ban] I can do to restrict them to having to use academy players only as I thought this would be the outcome by selecting is institute

cheers

[EnigMattic1]

7 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said:

I set Man City to is institute and they still brought players in

is there anything else[apart from a transfer ban] I can do to restrict them to having to use academy players only as I thought this would be the outcome by selecting is institute

cheers

I found the same thing. For now, I can handle this issue whilst I work something else out. 

Apparently, from what I have been able to find out online, 'is institute' means the club will focus on developing and selling players as opposed to just not signing anyone and relying on youth. 

[Roy Race 9]

42 minutes ago, EnigMattic1 said:

I found the same thing. For now, I can handle this issue whilst I work something else out. 

Apparently, from what I have been able to find out online, 'is institute' means the club will focus on developing and selling players as opposed to just not signing anyone and relying on youth. 

Thanks for the reply 

it would be good to be able to get it as we want bit it doesnt seem possible

 some tweaking with board/club objectives could help too-

[EnigMattic1]

3 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said:

Thanks for the reply 

it would be good to be able to get it as we want bit it doesnt seem possible

 some tweaking with board/club objectives could help too-

I guess that could work, but that would also only apply until the board changes. I wonder how other institutes and the Japanese high school teams are set up.

[Roy Race 9]

9 hours ago, EnigMattic1 said:

I guess that could work, but that would also only apply until the board changes. I wonder how other institutes and the Japanese high school teams are set up.

yes that would be an issue

that second point is probably hard coded and we cant see the rules for that

not ideal but setting a transfer ban only allowing certain aged players to be signed would mean only youth would be coming into the club so a possible workaround- but not ideal at all 

 

 

Edited August 13 by Roy Race 9

[EnigMattic1]

12 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said:

yes that would be an issue

that second point is probably hard coded and we cant see the rules for that

not ideal but setting a transfer ban only allowing certain aged players to be signed would mean only youth would be coming into the club so a possible workaround- but not ideal at all 

 

 

After poking around in advanced rules (a detailed file I found), Japanese university teams are set as an institute with min and max ages. The university teams also have high school teams as affiliated. They have options like 'players move freely' and 'permanent deal' ticked.

Edited August 14 by EnigMattic1

[Roy Race 9]

10 hours ago, EnigMattic1 said:

After poking around in advanced rules (a detailed file I found), Japanese university teams are set as an institute with min and max ages. The university teams also have high school teams as affiliated. They have options like 'players move freely' and 'permanent deal' ticked.

Hi can you show me where that section is 

cheers

[EnigMattic1]

1 hour ago, Roy Race 9 said:

Hi can you show me where that section is 

cheers

That is for the affiliations

[Roy Race 9]

46 minutes ago, EnigMattic1 said:

That is for the affiliations

Hi thanks

This is what I was asking for was this- the Min and max ages

cheers

''After poking around in advanced rules (a detailed file I found), Japanese university teams are set as an institute with min and max ages. The university teams also have high school teams as affiliated. They have options like 'players move freely' and 'permanent deal' ticked.''

[EnigMattic1]

8 minutes ago, Roy Race 9 said:

Hi thanks

This is what I was asking for was this- the Min and max ages

cheers

''After poking around in advanced rules (a detailed file I found), Japanese university teams are set as an institute with min and max ages. The university teams also have high school teams as affiliated. They have options like 'players move freely' and 'permanent deal' ticked.''

Above 'Is Institute'

[Wolf_pd]

You seem to miss a few fields. Check if the filter left below is checked, if so, uncheck.

[Roy Race 9]

1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said:

You seem to miss a few fields. Check if the filter left below is checked, if so, uncheck.

 

1 hour ago, EnigMattic1 said:

Above 'Is Institute'

 

1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said:

You seem to miss a few fields. Check if the filter left below is checked, if so, uncheck.

Thanks both yes you have to uncheck that filter-active fields only

I will test this now see what happens

Edited August 14 by Roy Race 9

[Roy Race 9]

Set EPL 'elites' 

to this

3 are relegated first season 

they have sold a lot of players but are not buying anyone

apart from one transfer liverpool made[he was 18 years old]

will tweak it a bit and see what happens

Edited August 15 by Roy Race 9

[Roy Race 9]

Tried this

so not an institute but age range 16-23

interesting results 

AI now signing players in that range [bar 1 instance chelsea signed a 24 year old on 1/7/24 listed him 3/9/24 ]

the only issue is this-

 

The senior squad is replaced by a U23

and the U21 team isnt created

1

[Wolf_pd]

That's interesting, but unexpected.

The signing of the 24 year old can probably be explained by the age check date in the English Nation side under the Advanced Rules. I expecting that to be January 1st, so then the player would still have been counted by the game as 23, even though in the new season that doesn't count.

[Roy Race 9]

3 hours ago, Wolf_pd said:

That's interesting, but unexpected.

The signing of the 24 year old can probably be explained by the age check date in the English Nation side under the Advanced Rules. I expecting that to be January 1st, so then the player would still have been counted by the game as 23, even though in the new season that doesn't count.

yes you are right with the age check

sweet spot seems to be Max age 24

Min-leave blank

this way both the senior and U21 squads now appear

it does lead to a drop in the usual top 6, and on tests some get relegated in the first 2 seasons so its another tool to make game fairer [FFP etc doesnt work] this way they can still sign players but they dont go above 23 in age 

[Roy Race 9]

If others are interested 

the 

Min age in the editor range is 16-21

The max age range is-  16-24

you can change this by creating a xml file and then editing those in notepad++

I have set it to 14-26

 

@Wolf_pd to get unregistered players released can you remind me I have set this up but is there something else I have forgotten to do

cheers

 

but clubs are not releasing players in FM23 they were?

 

 

 

[EnigMattic1]

15 minutes ago, Roy Race 9 said:

If others are interested 

the 

Min age in the editor range is 16-21

The max age range is-  16-24

you can change this by creating a xml file and then editing those in notepad++

I have set it to 14-26

 

@Wolf_pd to get unregistered players released can you remind me I have set this up but is there something else I have forgotten to do

cheers

 

but clubs are not releasing players in FM23 they were?

 

 

 

You can also download the editor mod from the downloads section which will allow the min age to go below 16 and also allow the creation of u16 and u17 comps. 

[Wolf_pd]

1 hour ago, Roy Race 9 said:

If others are interested 

the 

Min age in the editor range is 16-21

The max age range is-  16-24

you can change this by creating a xml file and then editing those in notepad++

I have set it to 14-26

 

@Wolf_pd to get unregistered players released can you remind me I have set this up but is there something else I have forgotten to do

cheers

 

but clubs are not releasing players in FM23 they were?

I don't think they were released in FM23, or did you have that working there? We discussed this one and came to the conclusion it didn't work.

[EnigMattic1]

This question is indirectly related to my original post, when starting a game, if you tick the box that says 'add players to playable teams', will it add players to every team or just teams with no players?

I only really want to populate the high school teams in order for the draft to happen in the first season but I'm not sure if this will add players to reserve teams of clubs that already have players or not. 

[Roy Race 9]

10 hours ago, Wolf_pd said:

I don't think they were released in FM23, or did you have that working there? We discussed this one and came to the conclusion it didn't work.

I think they were getting released but it was after the transfer window,

it made no sense clubs didnt attempt to sell players /loan just dumped several valuable players on a free 

9 hours ago, EnigMattic1 said:

This question is indirectly related to my original post, when starting a game, if you tick the box that says 'add players to playable teams', will it add players to every team or just teams with no players?

I only really want to populate the high school teams in order for the draft to happen in the first season but I'm not sure if this will add players to reserve teams of clubs that already have players or not. 

IMO game only adds players to teams that need them not to all

[Wolf_pd]

1 hour ago, Roy Race 9 said:

IMO game only adds players to teams that need them not to all

Correct.

[Roy Race 9]

5 hours ago, Wolf_pd said:

Correct.

Found this from FM23

got the waived option to work then but cant remember how

seem to think I have to do something here squad selection dates[image 1]

or add a squad reg date range[image 2]

or do both lol

but cant remember what I did now

 

got it working in FM24 now

had to set up both sections as mentioned above

 

Edited August 19 by Roy Race 9

[Wolf_pd]

9 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said:

Found this from FM23

got the waived option to work then but cant remember how

seem to think I have to do something here squad selection dates[image 1]

or add a squad reg date range[image 2]

or do both lol

but cant remember what I did now

 

got it working in FM24 now

had to set up both sections as mentioned above

 

The English Premier League in the Historical Divergence thanks you

[EnigMattic1]

11 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said:

Found this from FM23

got the waived option to work then but cant remember how

seem to think I have to do something here squad selection dates[image 1]

or add a squad reg date range[image 2]

or do both lol

but cant remember what I did now

 

got it working in FM24 now

had to set up both sections as mentioned above

 

So, if I understand this correctly, this would result in players over the max age being waived? 🤔

[Roy Race 9]

10 hours ago, EnigMattic1 said:

So, if I understand this correctly, this would result in players over the max age being waived? 🤔

yes correct the club releases all players over that age

[Roy Race 9]

11 hours ago, Wolf_pd said:

The English Premier League in the Historical Divergence thanks you

oh yes

would be perfect if the rule could be club specific though as it is now it is for all clubs in a league

 

Edited August 19 by Roy Race 9

[Roy Race 9]

10 hours ago, EnigMattic1 said:

So, if I understand this correctly, this would result in players over the max age being waived? 🤔

yes but only if there is squad registration for that league

[EnigMattic1]

15 minutes ago, Roy Race 9 said:

yes but only if there is squad registration for that league

 

35 minutes ago, Roy Race 9 said:

yes correct the club releases all players over that age

Can you screenshot the settings that need to be added in order for this to happen? This will be a great help for what I am planning for my FM25 Canadian file. 

[Roy Race 9]

12 minutes ago, EnigMattic1 said:

 

Can you screenshot the settings that need to be added in order for this to happen? This will be a great help for what I am planning for my FM25 Canadian file. 

here you go

 

 

 

[EnigMattic1]

1 hour ago, Roy Race 9 said:

here you go

 

 

 

Brilliant! Thank you. 

[Wolf_pd]

@Roy Race 9 the Premier League will like you

[Roy Race 9]

On 20/08/2024 at 09:48, Wolf_pd said:

@Roy Race 9 the Premier League will like you

I was hoping  to be The Independent Football Regulator.....alas the plans I outlined were considered a bit too much on the fair play side. thinking FFP could/would be imposed.

Would have appointed you EPL Tsar  Think things would be a tad different then 

starting with the new name 

Spoiler

the soulless exercise in corporate greed league 

got a nice ring to it that

 

Edited August 21 by Roy Race 9

[Wolf_pd]

12 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said:

I was hoping  to be The Independent Football Regulator.....alas the plans I outlined were considered a bit too much on the fair play side. thinking FFP could/would be imposed.

Would have appointed you EPL Tsar  Think things would be a tad different then 

starting with the new name 

  Hide contents

the soulless exercise in corporate greed league 

got a nice ring to it that

 

I should be able to create a position in Historical Divergence for the Independent Football Regulator. Let's start with you overseeing English football first and then slowly branch out.

[Wolf_pd]

England Fun Test.fmf

Is this the correct application for the release or did I miss something?

I noticed one team not having to release.

Edit: Only Premier League has been edited.

[Roy Race 9]

On 20/08/2024 at 07:38, Roy Race 9 said:

here you go

 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, Wolf_pd said:

England Fun Test.fmf 38.68 kB · 1 download

Is this the correct application for the release or did I miss something?

I noticed one team not having to release.

Edit: Only Premier League has been edited.

I did as above and got the desired results

but I also made the 'big clubs' have age limits 14-26[so players over 26 cant be registered and are released]

 

didnt make them institute so they would still buy players

Edited August 21 by Roy Race 9

[\'Appy \'Ammer]

This was fun! I tested until 2084. The league was as follows. Just look at the teams , and look at the lack of European spots!!! The English clubs just could not compete with their European counterparts.

 

[Roy Race 9]

11 hours ago, Wolf_pd said:

I should be able to create a position in Historical Divergence for the Independent Football Regulator. Let's start with you overseeing English football first and then slowly branch out.

clubs fan owned 

tv money/prize money divided same throughout the pyramid

similar sponsorship deals

wage cap and limits on players for a start 

[Roy Race 9]

6 minutes ago, \'Appy \'Ammer said:

This was fun! I tested until 2084. The league was as follows. Just look at the teams , and look at the lack of European spots!!! The English clubs just could not compete with their European counterparts.

 

now thats what we want to see

what changes did you make mate

Edited August 21 by Roy Race 9