EnigMattic1 Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Figured I'd start a thread as I don't feel this is a 'simple' question. My understanding is, having the box "Is Institute" ticked for a club in the editor means that the club is unable to sign players and would, therefore, be reliant on developing their own players. But, What would happen if said team was also able to take part in a draft? Would they actually be allowed to select a player or not? If they could select a player, would he be eligible to play due to the aforementioned "Is Institute" ruling? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Good question and valid thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 7 Author Share Posted August 7 1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said: Good question and valid thought. I will have to test it and find out. I'm currently planning my Canadian expansion for FM25 and, if my theory works, I can feed Collegiate and University teams via a draft selecting from High School teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 (edited) On 08/08/2024 at 04:15, EnigMattic1 said: Figured I'd start a thread as I don't feel this is a 'simple' question. My understanding is, having the box "Is Institute" ticked for a club in the editor means that the club is unable to sign players and would, therefore, be reliant on developing their own players. But, What would happen if said team was also able to take part in a draft? Would they actually be allowed to select a player or not? If they could select a player, would he be eligible to play due to the aforementioned "Is Institute" ruling? Never thought of this at all I think you are right on this point On 08/08/2024 at 04:38, Wolf_pd said: Good question and valid thought. you know what I am thinking of doing would this theory work with making a 'Big' club an institute and making them not be able to sign anyone just develop their own academy players I thought I would check if "Is Institute" just refers to reserve/U18 teams etc but found some clubs in many domestic leagues are set to "Is Institute", so sounds interesting squad seem to be all homegrown Edited August 9 by Roy Race 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 (edited) looked at this club set "Is Institute" but squad has players from all over the World and they been signed by the club not brought through the academy Edited August 9 by Roy Race 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 So, for the test, I selected a club and set them to "is institute" in the editor. One month into the test, they sign someone. I didn't think they could sign players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oJMPx Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Have you managed to get drafts working? Every time i set one up, every team just ends up passing on their pick. Tested for 75+ years and no team ever makes a draft pick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 1 hour ago, oJMPx said: Have you managed to get drafts working? Every time i set one up, every team just ends up passing on their pick. Tested for 75+ years and no team ever makes a draft pick I'm doing it in Canada so the draft is already in place. I am just trying to see what happens if a team is set to "is institute" but has draft picks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 Ok, I've ran a test for one season initially. As you can see, I have set Valour FC as "Is Institute" in the editor: Now, here is where things get interesting. Valour made draft picks: But, despite being set as "Is Institute", they also made other transfers: I was always under the impression that teams set as "Is Institute" couldn't sign players. Can anyone shed any light on this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Players signed from free transfer is something I can see happening. You might call them walk-ons. Free transfers signed from a different teams or with a fee is unexpected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said: Players signed from free transfer is something I can see happening. You might call them walk-ons. Free transfers signed from a different teams or with a fee is unexpected. Well, institutes can have draft picks, so I found out what I needed. I can feed players from high school to college/university teams each year through a draft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 On 11/08/2024 at 07:05, Wolf_pd said: Players signed from free transfer is something I can see happening. You might call them walk-ons. Free transfers signed from a different teams or with a fee is unexpected. I set Man City to is institute and they still brought players in is there anything else[apart from a transfer ban] I can do to restrict them to having to use academy players only as I thought this would be the outcome by selecting is institute cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 7 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said: I set Man City to is institute and they still brought players in is there anything else[apart from a transfer ban] I can do to restrict them to having to use academy players only as I thought this would be the outcome by selecting is institute cheers I found the same thing. For now, I can handle this issue whilst I work something else out. Apparently, from what I have been able to find out online, 'is institute' means the club will focus on developing and selling players as opposed to just not signing anyone and relying on youth. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 42 minutes ago, EnigMattic1 said: I found the same thing. For now, I can handle this issue whilst I work something else out. Apparently, from what I have been able to find out online, 'is institute' means the club will focus on developing and selling players as opposed to just not signing anyone and relying on youth. Thanks for the reply it would be good to be able to get it as we want bit it doesnt seem possible some tweaking with board/club objectives could help too- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 3 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said: Thanks for the reply it would be good to be able to get it as we want bit it doesnt seem possible some tweaking with board/club objectives could help too- I guess that could work, but that would also only apply until the board changes. I wonder how other institutes and the Japanese high school teams are set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 (edited) 9 hours ago, EnigMattic1 said: I guess that could work, but that would also only apply until the board changes. I wonder how other institutes and the Japanese high school teams are set up. yes that would be an issue that second point is probably hard coded and we cant see the rules for that not ideal but setting a transfer ban only allowing certain aged players to be signed would mean only youth would be coming into the club so a possible workaround- but not ideal at all Edited August 13 by Roy Race 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 (edited) 12 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said: yes that would be an issue that second point is probably hard coded and we cant see the rules for that not ideal but setting a transfer ban only allowing certain aged players to be signed would mean only youth would be coming into the club so a possible workaround- but not ideal at all After poking around in advanced rules (a detailed file I found), Japanese university teams are set as an institute with min and max ages. The university teams also have high school teams as affiliated. They have options like 'players move freely' and 'permanent deal' ticked. Edited August 14 by EnigMattic1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 10 hours ago, EnigMattic1 said: After poking around in advanced rules (a detailed file I found), Japanese university teams are set as an institute with min and max ages. The university teams also have high school teams as affiliated. They have options like 'players move freely' and 'permanent deal' ticked. Hi can you show me where that section is cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 1 hour ago, Roy Race 9 said: Hi can you show me where that section is cheers That is for the affiliations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 46 minutes ago, EnigMattic1 said: That is for the affiliations Hi thanks This is what I was asking for was this- the Min and max ages cheers ''After poking around in advanced rules (a detailed file I found), Japanese university teams are set as an institute with min and max ages. The university teams also have high school teams as affiliated. They have options like 'players move freely' and 'permanent deal' ticked.'' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 8 minutes ago, Roy Race 9 said: Hi thanks This is what I was asking for was this- the Min and max ages cheers ''After poking around in advanced rules (a detailed file I found), Japanese university teams are set as an institute with min and max ages. The university teams also have high school teams as affiliated. They have options like 'players move freely' and 'permanent deal' ticked.'' Above 'Is Institute' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 You seem to miss a few fields. Check if the filter left below is checked, if so, uncheck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said: You seem to miss a few fields. Check if the filter left below is checked, if so, uncheck. 1 hour ago, EnigMattic1 said: Above 'Is Institute' 1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said: You seem to miss a few fields. Check if the filter left below is checked, if so, uncheck. Thanks both yes you have to uncheck that filter-active fields only I will test this now see what happens Edited August 14 by Roy Race 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) Set EPL 'elites' to this 3 are relegated first season they have sold a lot of players but are not buying anyone apart from one transfer liverpool made[he was 18 years old] will tweak it a bit and see what happens Edited August 15 by Roy Race 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Tried this so not an institute but age range 16-23 interesting results AI now signing players in that range [bar 1 instance chelsea signed a 24 year old on 1/7/24 listed him 3/9/24 ] the only issue is this- The senior squad is replaced by a U23 and the U21 team isnt created 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 That's interesting, but unexpected. The signing of the 24 year old can probably be explained by the age check date in the English Nation side under the Advanced Rules. I expecting that to be January 1st, so then the player would still have been counted by the game as 23, even though in the new season that doesn't count. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 3 hours ago, Wolf_pd said: That's interesting, but unexpected. The signing of the 24 year old can probably be explained by the age check date in the English Nation side under the Advanced Rules. I expecting that to be January 1st, so then the player would still have been counted by the game as 23, even though in the new season that doesn't count. yes you are right with the age check sweet spot seems to be Max age 24 Min-leave blank this way both the senior and U21 squads now appear it does lead to a drop in the usual top 6, and on tests some get relegated in the first 2 seasons so its another tool to make game fairer [FFP etc doesnt work] this way they can still sign players but they dont go above 23 in age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 If others are interested the Min age in the editor range is 16-21 The max age range is- 16-24 you can change this by creating a xml file and then editing those in notepad++ I have set it to 14-26 @Wolf_pd to get unregistered players released can you remind me I have set this up but is there something else I have forgotten to do cheers but clubs are not releasing players in FM23 they were? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 18 Author Share Posted August 18 15 minutes ago, Roy Race 9 said: If others are interested the Min age in the editor range is 16-21 The max age range is- 16-24 you can change this by creating a xml file and then editing those in notepad++ I have set it to 14-26 @Wolf_pd to get unregistered players released can you remind me I have set this up but is there something else I have forgotten to do cheers but clubs are not releasing players in FM23 they were? You can also download the editor mod from the downloads section which will allow the min age to go below 16 and also allow the creation of u16 and u17 comps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, Roy Race 9 said: If others are interested the Min age in the editor range is 16-21 The max age range is- 16-24 you can change this by creating a xml file and then editing those in notepad++ I have set it to 14-26 @Wolf_pd to get unregistered players released can you remind me I have set this up but is there something else I have forgotten to do cheers but clubs are not releasing players in FM23 they were? I don't think they were released in FM23, or did you have that working there? We discussed this one and came to the conclusion it didn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 18 Author Share Posted August 18 This question is indirectly related to my original post, when starting a game, if you tick the box that says 'add players to playable teams', will it add players to every team or just teams with no players? I only really want to populate the high school teams in order for the draft to happen in the first season but I'm not sure if this will add players to reserve teams of clubs that already have players or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 10 hours ago, Wolf_pd said: I don't think they were released in FM23, or did you have that working there? We discussed this one and came to the conclusion it didn't work. I think they were getting released but it was after the transfer window, it made no sense clubs didnt attempt to sell players /loan just dumped several valuable players on a free 9 hours ago, EnigMattic1 said: This question is indirectly related to my original post, when starting a game, if you tick the box that says 'add players to playable teams', will it add players to every team or just teams with no players? I only really want to populate the high school teams in order for the draft to happen in the first season but I'm not sure if this will add players to reserve teams of clubs that already have players or not. IMO game only adds players to teams that need them not to all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, Roy Race 9 said: IMO game only adds players to teams that need them not to all Correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 (edited) 5 hours ago, Wolf_pd said: Correct. Found this from FM23 got the waived option to work then but cant remember how seem to think I have to do something here squad selection dates[image 1] or add a squad reg date range[image 2] or do both lol but cant remember what I did now got it working in FM24 now had to set up both sections as mentioned above Edited August 19 by Roy Race 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 9 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said: Found this from FM23 got the waived option to work then but cant remember how seem to think I have to do something here squad selection dates[image 1] or add a squad reg date range[image 2] or do both lol but cant remember what I did now got it working in FM24 now had to set up both sections as mentioned above The English Premier League in the Historical Divergence thanks you 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 19 Author Share Posted August 19 11 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said: Found this from FM23 got the waived option to work then but cant remember how seem to think I have to do something here squad selection dates[image 1] or add a squad reg date range[image 2] or do both lol but cant remember what I did now got it working in FM24 now had to set up both sections as mentioned above So, if I understand this correctly, this would result in players over the max age being waived? 🤔 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 10 hours ago, EnigMattic1 said: So, if I understand this correctly, this would result in players over the max age being waived? 🤔 yes correct the club releases all players over that age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) 11 hours ago, Wolf_pd said: The English Premier League in the Historical Divergence thanks you oh yes would be perfect if the rule could be club specific though as it is now it is for all clubs in a league Edited August 19 by Roy Race 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 10 hours ago, EnigMattic1 said: So, if I understand this correctly, this would result in players over the max age being waived? 🤔 yes but only if there is squad registration for that league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 19 Author Share Posted August 19 15 minutes ago, Roy Race 9 said: yes but only if there is squad registration for that league 35 minutes ago, Roy Race 9 said: yes correct the club releases all players over that age Can you screenshot the settings that need to be added in order for this to happen? This will be a great help for what I am planning for my FM25 Canadian file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 12 minutes ago, EnigMattic1 said: Can you screenshot the settings that need to be added in order for this to happen? This will be a great help for what I am planning for my FM25 Canadian file. here you go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted August 19 Author Share Posted August 19 1 hour ago, Roy Race 9 said: here you go Brilliant! Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 @Roy Race 9 the Premier League will like you 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 (edited) On 20/08/2024 at 09:48, Wolf_pd said: @Roy Race 9 the Premier League will like you I was hoping to be The Independent Football Regulator.....alas the plans I outlined were considered a bit too much on the fair play side. thinking FFP could/would be imposed. Would have appointed you EPL Tsar Think things would be a tad different then starting with the new name Spoiler the soulless exercise in corporate greed league got a nice ring to it that Edited August 21 by Roy Race 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 12 hours ago, Roy Race 9 said: I was hoping to be The Independent Football Regulator.....alas the plans I outlined were considered a bit too much on the fair play side. thinking FFP could/would be imposed. Would have appointed you EPL Tsar Think things would be a tad different then starting with the new name Hide contents the soulless exercise in corporate greed league got a nice ring to it that I should be able to create a position in Historical Divergence for the Independent Football Regulator. Let's start with you overseeing English football first and then slowly branch out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 England Fun Test.fmf Is this the correct application for the release or did I miss something? I noticed one team not having to release. Edit: Only Premier League has been edited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) On 20/08/2024 at 07:38, Roy Race 9 said: here you go 10 hours ago, Wolf_pd said: England Fun Test.fmf 38.68 kB · 1 download Is this the correct application for the release or did I miss something? I noticed one team not having to release. Edit: Only Premier League has been edited. I did as above and got the desired results but I also made the 'big clubs' have age limits 14-26[so players over 26 cant be registered and are released] didnt make them institute so they would still buy players Edited August 21 by Roy Race 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
\'Appy \'Ammer Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 This was fun! I tested until 2084. The league was as follows. Just look at the teams , and look at the lack of European spots!!! The English clubs just could not compete with their European counterparts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 11 hours ago, Wolf_pd said: I should be able to create a position in Historical Divergence for the Independent Football Regulator. Let's start with you overseeing English football first and then slowly branch out. clubs fan owned tv money/prize money divided same throughout the pyramid similar sponsorship deals wage cap and limits on players for a start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) 6 minutes ago, \'Appy \'Ammer said: This was fun! I tested until 2084. The league was as follows. Just look at the teams , and look at the lack of European spots!!! The English clubs just could not compete with their European counterparts. now thats what we want to see what changes did you make mate Edited August 21 by Roy Race 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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