KingCanary Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 r I've just finished my first season with Bolton and went up via the playoffs. Since I've been promoted I've had three separate players approach demanding new contracts and each of them want what feels like absurd leaps in pay. Jack Iredale wants to jump from £2.5k pw to £16k pw Gethin Jones wants to go from £5k pw to £18k pw Nathan Baxter wants to from £6k pw to £22k pw These three are all solid starters and I'd happily give them wage increases but they all want to at least triple their wages. Bare in mind that my best paid player right now is on £8k pw and that these suggested increases would basically eat up any ability to make new signings post promotion. I get promotion may lead to people wanting improved deals but the financial leap from League One to Championship isn't all that incredible and certainly doesn't justify everyone asking for three or four times their current wages. Has anyone else had this and how did you deal with it? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdaw1985 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 It's a tricky situation. Sometimes you can challenge them to earn a new contract and then give them a very demanding target like averaging more than 7.4 per match. I've used the average rating one a few times especially in contract talks where they want regular starter status next season and I'm pretty sure they will fail the target and stay as a squad player. Occasionally that works. Sometimes not and you either cave in, just refuse and risk an unhappy squad or sell up. I had it with Jarrel Quansah in my Turkish team Goztepe. After just one season at the club he demands he should have a better contract to justify his current ability. When I ask the agent how much it went from about 18k current contract to about 40k. I annoyed him and told him he had to earn it. We fell out and I loaned him to a club in spain. Luckily I had a good cheap replacement lined up. After he came back he was still annoyed but strangely after a little while he didn't want to leave anymore and his demands were such that we agreed a fair deal. You can always use the line that the club simply can't afford to give you a new contract. That has also worked for me before. Normally with more professional personalities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCanary Posted September 4 Author Share Posted September 4 OK so to update this post, I've had no less than 8 players come to me saying they deserve new deals, every single one of them wants at least triple their current wages. I'm now dealing with constant squad mutinies because apparently my players think I should be bankrupting the club and giving players who've not kicked a ball above league one level top level championship contracts. It is just completely absurd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jones_ Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I find it better, when in lower leagues, to make important contract decisions before finishing the season. If they have more than 2 years remaining in their contracts, you can negociate the new one to start next season. And this way you can maintain some players in your squad for the next season and not dealing with this absurd demands in wages - even if you have to raise their contracts a little bit in the current season, eating up your budgets right now and limiting your ability to act in the transfer windows. The best moment, imo, to open up contracts negociations is right after mid-season transfer window. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentonizking Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 No one is irreplaceable. I move people on with unrealistic demands 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasilia88 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 It's indeed ridiculous... In my save, I've been promoted to the first division of Uruguay. The club also went from semipro to pro, so I've been quite busy with trial farming, finding loans etc. The ones who enter the club want 2x the maximum wage (30k > 80k per year). In all honesty, why would any sane person go on a trial and not knowing how much he could earn?! Dude, you were unemployed together with +300 other people and you are mediocre at best?! Not to mention all of them wanting to be star players with a stamina of 8... On top of it all, some who come on trial don't even want to enter contract negotiations. The system really needs to be revised, since it's bonkers! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los_Culés Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 19 minutes ago, Brasilia88 said: It's indeed ridiculous... In my save, I've been promoted to the first division of Uruguay. The club also went from semipro to pro, so I've been quite busy with trial farming, finding loans etc. The ones who enter the club want 2x the maximum wage (30k > 80k per year). In all honesty, why would any sane person go on a trial and not knowing how much he could earn?! Dude, you were unemployed together with +300 other people and you are mediocre at best?! Not to mention all of them wanting to be star players with a stamina of 8... On top of it all, some who come on trial don't even want to enter contract negotiations. The system really needs to be revised, since it's bonkers! Yes, same is happening to me in J-League 3. I mean, it is impossible to keep certain wage structure if any average free agent asks for double the wage of my best paid player. But the best thing is that I invite everybody on trial, no challenge or even interest from other clubs, but as soon as I decide to offer them contracts the opposition teams start offering them contracts as well. If I do not invite these players for trial, the AI clubs are not interested in them. Do they have a radar? Or spies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasilia88 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 6 minutes ago, Los_Culés said: Yes, same is happening to me in J-League 3. I mean, it is impossible to keep certain wage structure if any average free agent asks for double the wage of my best paid player. But the best thing is that I invite everybody on trial, no challenge or even interest from other clubs, but as soon as I decide to offer them contracts the opposition teams start offering them contracts as well. If I do not invite these players for trial, the AI clubs are not interested in them. Do they have a radar? Or spies? In my head, other teams visit my training sessions and see these players.... Even though, this makes zero sense due to the other clubs barely getting by, but that's how I imagine it. Some have agents who send other clubs messages too, like we get, but a big quantity doesn't even have those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicHat Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 On 04/09/2024 at 15:28, KingCanary said: r I've just finished my first season with Bolton and went up via the playoffs. Since I've been promoted I've had three separate players approach demanding new contracts and each of them want what feels like absurd leaps in pay. Jack Iredale wants to jump from £2.5k pw to £16k pw Gethin Jones wants to go from £5k pw to £18k pw Nathan Baxter wants to from £6k pw to £22k pw These three are all solid starters and I'd happily give them wage increases but they all want to at least triple their wages. Bare in mind that my best paid player right now is on £8k pw and that these suggested increases would basically eat up any ability to make new signings post promotion. I get promotion may lead to people wanting improved deals but the financial leap from League One to Championship isn't all that incredible and certainly doesn't justify everyone asking for three or four times their current wages. Has anyone else had this and how did you deal with it? When the first guy complains who is a highly influential member, you have to convince him he's influential and well thought of, if you convince him not to get a new contract it will then unlock a new dialogue box the next time someone else asks saying something like "X came with a similar situation and they didn't get a new contract" then they will say "ok X is a better person than me but i get your point. If you get it right it will cause an infinite chain where your players can be convinced not to sign a new contract. The only way i've seen this chain be broken is if your players start to lose faith in you/your team performances are so bad that they become unhappy. It's quite difficult to get this right but when you do it stops a lot of contract issues. If you give contracts out too much then other players start asking for them too. Then the squad can turn against you and they stick up for their teammates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillYourIdols Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 (edited) I've nearly tanked my all conquiring Colchester United team by not really realizing: a) How much a 10% wage rise REALLY is on 400k, multiplied by 15 Players. Doesnt seem like much, but its £1.6 Million a month, year on year. b) Footballers bloody love a bonus, they WILL kill your funds if you do it on the regular, both Contract and Competiion c) I'm woefully inept at Balancing the Books d) When the board want you to Spend the Wage and Transfer budgets, its a recipe for disaster e) Winning competitions, when at this level and this deep, Doesnt Even touch the sides I have 80% of my Squad in the GOAL50 year on year, and by god, their Agents know it. But I have top quality depth, so I have that going for me, which is nice. Half the fun is going to be recfitying this mess. I think. Edited September 26 by KillYourIdols Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCanary Posted September 26 Author Share Posted September 26 2 hours ago, KillYourIdols said: I've nearly tanked my all conquiring Colchester United team by not really realizing: a) How much a 10% wage rise REALLY is on 400k, multiplied by 15 Players. Doesnt seem like much, but its £1.6 Million a month, year on year. b) Footballers bloody love a bonus, they WILL kill your funds if you do it on the regular, both Contract and Competiion c) I'm woefully inept at Balancing the Books d) When the board want you to Spend the Wage and Transfer budgets, its a recipe for disaster e) Winning competitions, when at this level and this deep, Doesnt Even touch the sides I have 80% of my Squad in the GOAL50 year on year, and by god, their Agents know it. But I have top quality depth, so I have that going for me, which is nice. Half the fun is going to be recfitying this mess. I think. Yeah I really try and avoid the yearly wage rises but the max I'll do is 5%. Also the promotion wage rises can be killers. What I have found is the best add on to convince players to lower wage demands is a sell on fee %. I've had players who won't budge of £20k p/w drop to £15k if I promise 10% of any future sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinbad7104 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 Theres a brilliant tool on here by @Justified that helps me no end when it comes to contracts. Especially handy when going into a new club and having to fix a mess 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatsupdoc Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Spam "the club can't afford it". Usually works, especially when true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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