umm offside?

[thebreadlady]

is this not offside?

 

[XaW]

Depending on if the decision would be that the player in question impacted the vision or movement of the goalkeeper. If the shot was into the near side, it wouldn't need to be so, if it was towards the far side, I'd say offside is more plausible. Of course unless it was a pass from Adamovic to the offside placed striker who then scored?

Summary: Not enough info to make a judgement call.

[FrazT]

Certainly looks like the forward in front of the GK is interfering with play, so would be called as offside

[thebreadlady]

6 hours ago, XaW said:

Depending on if the decision would be that the player in question impacted the vision or movement of the goalkeeper. If the shot was into the near side, it wouldn't need to be so, if it was towards the far side, I'd say offside is more plausible. Of course unless it was a pass from Adamovic to the offside placed striker who then scored?

Summary: Not enough info to make a judgement call.

the guy is literally in front of my keeper, doesnt matter which post it was shot towards. IRL this wouldve been offside. 

 

 

im just mad that this happened in an important match for us. 

[starbugg]

Has the player on the far side by the corner flag just taken a corner or a throw in?

You can't be offside directly from a corner or a throw in, It's hard to tell without seeing it in real time.

[XaW]

1 hour ago, thebreadlady said:

the guy is literally in front of my keeper, doesnt matter which post it was shot towards. IRL this wouldve been offside. 

im just mad that this happened in an important match for us. 

Looking at what PL refs an VAR do and don't call "interference" makes anything possible, but would need to see it play out and ideally from different views. If you are in a league without VAR refs can and do get things wrong intentionally by the game, so it could be a ref mistake too.

[Draakon]

51 minutes ago, starbugg said:

Has the player on the far side by the corner flag just taken a corner or a throw in?

You can't be offside directly from a corner or a throw in, It's hard to tell without seeing it in real time.

Corner has been taken, Adamovic gets to the ball first and shoots. No the question is if another player is in offside position.

It looks from the picture that while he might not try to play the ball, he's impeding the keeper's line of sight, so IRL it would be probably called offside.

[thebreadlady]

32 minutes ago, Draakon said:

Corner has been taken, Adamovic gets to the ball first and shoots. No the question is if another player is in offside position.

It looks from the picture that while he might not try to play the ball, he's impeding the keeper's line of sight, so IRL it would be probably called offside.

yup, only an incompetent VAR room like in IRL would not call it offside. id be even more pissed if SI managed to code that aspect in to the game. 

[starbugg]

I have just looked up the rule, and it is impossible for a player to be offside from a corner.

The ball is kicked from the goal line, so all attacking players at that time would be behind the ball and so be onside, including the player in front of the Goalkeeper. You cannot be offside if you are behind the ball.

This is the reason players stand in front of the keeper at corners in every match I have seen in modern times.

If this was from a corner, he could not be offside.

If it was from a cross or the ball was pass forward to him from the player who received it from the corner, it's a different story.

Edited November 24 by starbugg

[thebreadlady]

5 hours ago, starbugg said:

I have just looked up the rule, and it is impossible for a player to be offside from a corner.

The ball is kicked from the goal line, so all attacking players at that time would be behind the ball and so be onside, including the player in front of the Goalkeeper. You cannot be offside if you are behind the ball.

This is the reason players stand in front of the keeper at corners in every match I have seen in modern times.

If this was from a corner, he could not be offside.

If it was from a cross or the ball was pass forward to him from the player who received it from the corner, it's a different story.

doesnt apply as soon as the SCORER, Adamovic, touches the ball. 

 

players stand in front of the keeper to make it as hard as possible for him to come out to catch/punch the ball, not just to block his vision. 

[starbugg]

As I have no idea of what happened in the build up, it's all guess work on my behalf.

I have seen goals like this given many times at corners where the Ref believes the player is not interfering with play, rightly, or wrongly it is all opinion.

[thebreadlady]

8 hours ago, starbugg said:

As I have no idea of what happened in the build up, it's all guess work on my behalf.

I have seen goals like this given many times at corners where the Ref believes the player is not interfering with play, rightly, or wrongly it is all opinion.

 

 

[thebreadlady]

[thebreadlady]

8 hours ago, starbugg said:

I have seen goals like this given many times at corners where the Ref believes the player is not interfering with play, rightly, or wrongly it is all opinion.

just cause garbage ref decisions are made ALL THE TIME IRL doesnt mean it should be in the game

[XaW]

4 hours ago, thebreadlady said:

Yeah, seeing if from those pictures I'd say this should be called for offside. Does the league have VAR? If not, it could be a ref mistake (and not a bug by the game), but if it has VAR then I think it should be called and thus be a bug in the game.

[starbugg]

Yep that is interfering with the keeper in my view, but I have seen them given.

[Smurf]

It doesn't look like Abamovic connects with the ball. Was it given as their goal or their assist?

Looks like the corner goes direct to the player who is not in an offside position (as you can't be offside in this situation)

Or the defender is trying to flick it on. 

 

Without knowing the scorer, the assist or who took the corner or what happened then it's hard to know. 

 

 

 

[kiwityke1983]

On 26/11/2024 at 11:01, thebreadlady said:

just cause garbage ref decisions are made ALL THE TIME IRL doesnt mean it should be in the game

People complain the game isn't realistic enough...then complain when it is!

On 26/11/2024 at 15:06, XaW said:

Yeah, seeing if from those pictures I'd say this should be called for offside. Does the league have VAR? If not, it could be a ref mistake (and not a bug by the game), but if it has VAR then I think it should be called and thus be a bug in the game.

I've seen VAR get offsides wrong in the game, doesn't happen often but I've seen it happen more than once

[XaW]

3 hours ago, kiwityke1983 said:

I've seen VAR get offsides wrong in the game, doesn't happen often but I've seen it happen more than once

I'm not sure if VAR getting it wrong in FM is intentional or not, as I don't think I've seen SI confirm it. Ideally, VAR should not get anything wrong, but as we see in real life, it very much comes down to the people using it...

[thebreadlady]

13 minutes ago, XaW said:

I'm not sure if VAR getting it wrong in FM is intentional or not, as I don't think I've seen SI confirm it. Ideally, VAR should not get anything wrong, but as we see in real life, it very much comes down to the people using it...

i'd be pissed if they programmed intentional VAR mistakes into the game. 

[kiwityke1983]

19 hours ago, thebreadlady said:

i'd be pissed if they programmed intentional VAR mistakes into the game. 

As an avowed hater of VAR IRL it would be entirely realistic because in England especially all it has done is confirmed the refs are either A) Incompetent B) Corrupt C) Both A and B.

I just got given a penalty via VAR last night playing as Dortmund and watching the highlight in real time said to myself "not a penalty, he's got the ball" the ref gave a pen, went to VAR and confirmed it.

The commentator then said something along the lines of "that was an incredibly dubious penalty".

I was also asked about the dubiousness of the penalty in the press conference after too.

So I think the game does have some % chance of VAR making a mistake (as it should if we are going for realism IMO).

[Kickballz]

The pictures appear to show Adomovic heading the ball with a player in an offside position interfering with the GKs vision.

Can't really see any debate here. Blatantly offside and VAR should have corrected it.

[Kickballz]

20 hours ago, thebreadlady said:

i'd be pissed if they programmed intentional VAR mistakes into the game. 

I'm pretty sure they don't. This is almost certainly a bug.

[Kickballz]

On 27/11/2024 at 04:42, Smurf said:

It doesn't look like Abamovic connects with the ball. Was it given as their goal or their assist?

Looks like the corner goes direct to the player who is not in an offside position (as you can't be offside in this situation)

Or the defender is trying to flick it on. 

 

Without knowing the scorer, the assist or who took the corner or what happened then it's hard to know. 

 

 

 

 It is possible that he missed the header and the ball went in off a defender.

We would need to see the video. Without further evidence, We can only assume that it was likely Abamovic making contact, in which case it is clear offside and a big VAR fail.

[Smurf]

3 hours ago, Kickballz said:

 It is possible that he missed the header and the ball went in off a defender.

We would need to see the video. Without further evidence, We can only assume that it was likely Abamovic making contact, in which case it is clear offside and a big VAR fail.

It's not a big deal

[Kickballz]

30 minutes ago, Smurf said:

It's not a big deal

That is a truism.

[Damian]

Dont overthink it, the game didnt identify the player in front of the player as blocking and gave the goal without triggering the Var (provided is available in the league). Not sure ive seen other goals disallowed for blocking in FM

[tezcatlipoca665]

If the commentary doesn't suggest that the referee has made a dubious decision, then it isn't intentional and shouldn't be treated as 'realistic'. It's probably just an issue with the animation not matching the game engine's intention. As far as I understand, what we see happening on the pitch is meant to be an aesthetic representation of the match engine, and sometimes it won't match up correctly and gives strange visual errors (hence sometimes seeing things like players teleporting from one side of the pitch to the other). I guess as far as the match engine is concerned, that player is onside.

I wouldn't treat this kind of stuff as realistic unless the game explicitly clarifies that there's some controversy in a decision - *that's* realistic.