Nitewalk Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Erm, how do we use the tactic grabber? Load which file from where? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordjubei Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 im not sure, it says man utd, apr 2009 in the file name Because if it is, thats very interesting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom R. Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Yes, It's Default AI Arsenal Tactic!! I'm grab her from save match's Arsenal(AI)-Chelsea(AI) and Arsenal(AI)-Liverpool(AI). Then I'm use this tactic with MU. ==================================================================================================== 2Nitewalk Save anyone match (filename.pkm) on PC, then Start TacGrab and Load this match, then push on "=>" button and Save on PC tactic (filename.tac), then Load this tactic in game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maz Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 yes its the arsenal tactic but, the user has tweaked the corners to suit him better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maz Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Yes, It's Default AI Arsenal Tactic!!I'm grab her from save match's Arsenal(AI)-Chelsea(AI) and Arsenal(AI)-Liverpool(AI). Then I'm use this tactic with MU. ==================================================================================================== 2Nitewalk Save anyone match (filename.pkm) on PC, then Start TacGrab and Load this match, then push on "=>" button and Save on PC tactic (filename.tac), then Load this tactic in game. after loading the tactic in FM plz note it should take about 5 - 9 games before it works properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitewalk Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 ok thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AreQ Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Then I'm use this tactic with MU. And how it's going? Whats your result with this tactic with MU? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjtopor Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I tried this just for grins with a long-term save I have going and I'll tell you, its remarkable that it works. It does not follow any established tactical routines as touted on these boards, but its quite effective. I now use this in rotation with a few of my other 4-4-2 tactics. Its particularly strong against big teams. I don't vouch for it beyond that, as I have quite a strong squad, but from a bit of empirical evidence, it looks like the default Arsenal tactic is a winner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsforever Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I've got some results with my Arsenal team: Overall: Played: 23 Won: 13 Drew: 9 Lost: 1 Goals For: 39 Goals Against: 39 Individual Games: (With 'A' and 'H' representing 'Away' and 'Home' games) Olympiakos A - 2-0 Chelsea H - 0-1 Fulham H - 2-1 West Brom A - 3-2 Everton A - 1-1 Juventus H - 1-1 Man City H - 3-1 Everton A - 2-1 Sporting CP A - 2-2 Bolton A - 1-0 Wigan A - 0-0 Newcastle H - 3-0 Tottenham H - 2-1 Middlesbrough A - 1-1 Cheltenham A - 2-1 (Used reserves) Newcastle H - 2-0 Fulham H - 1-0 Aston Villa A - 2-2 Stoke H - 3-0 Newcastle A - 2-2 (Used reserves) Millwall H - 2-0 (Used reserves) Liverpool H - 1-1 Man Utd A - 1-1 My general assessment of this tactic is that it produces quite good results against good/mid-table sides. However, it seems to struggle against weaker opponents as highlighted in the 'West Brom A - 3-2' and 'Wigan A - 0-0' games. I usually struggle against the 'top 4' but going attacking seems to pin them back and surprise them to a certain extent. Overall, I would say that the results produced are 'realistic' as Arsenal do struggle with consistency problems in real life and they aren't the best in the Premiership (which is also proven in my game as I am 4th, but only 9 points from top with 25 games played). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moj Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I tried this just for grins with a long-term save I have going and I'll tell you, its remarkable that it works. It does not follow any established tactical routines as touted on these boards, but its quite effective. I now use this in rotation with a few of my other 4-4-2 tactics. Its particularly strong against big teams.I don't vouch for it beyond that, as I have quite a strong squad, but from a bit of empirical evidence, it looks like the default Arsenal tactic is a winner. it certainly does follow the some of the frameworks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordjubei Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Adapted it to my own tactic and it works really well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom R. Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 AreQ And how it's going? Whats your result with this tactic with MU? This My second season for MU. In first season I'm used other tactic. NO CHEAT!! NO REAPLAY MATCHES!! In League Champions I'm used reserve (from sub) players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitewalk Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Looks excellent. Does it get boring, winning rather easily? lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensational Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 yea i did some tweaking around too. its really good for my arsenal team. juz beat barcelona 4-1 in the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirjason Posted December 14, 2008 Author Share Posted December 14, 2008 I rather surprised that that WENGER is using an attacking formation in all away matches. In meantime @Tom R., do you know if this tacgrabber only gets the tactic the teams starts to the match ? cause WENGER is making changes rapidly during the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moj Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I rather surprised that that WENGER is using an attacking formation in all away matches.In meantime @Tom R., do you know if this tacgrabber only gets the tactic the teams starts to the match ? cause WENGER is making changes rapidly during the game. i doubt he uses an attacking formation all the time, but ive never seen him use a tactic different than the 4-4-2.. must change the forward runs, etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tecni Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 TacGraber http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZFK25IC9 http://rapidshare.com/files/172805375/TacGraber.exe.html http://www.mediafire.com/?dlmdwimnmwy Hi, does this work for FM 2009? Cause I load it up and it said its for FM 06 and when I try to load matches from FM 09 and grab the tactic, I get a error message. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom R. Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 2Sirjason Yes, prog gets the tactic the teams starts to the match. 2tecni Yes, prog work in FM 2009. I don't know why you get Error, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitja Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Can anybody tell me, is this the ai arsenal tactic? if that is true it's how AI plays than it's a major disapointmemt for me...all team instructions, no free roles, no TT&F roles - all players on mixed, except DCs...very disapointing!!! what's the point tweaking, setting individual instructions and having mentality framework. just put everything on team...i hope it's not true!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunarstrain Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 i tried the grabber and saved a tactic from a game, but when i try to import it in the game, it doesnt recognise it as a tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moj Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 if that is true it's how AI plays than it's a major disapointmemt for me...all team instructions, no free roles, no TT&F roles - all players on mixed, except DCs...very disapointing!!!what's the point tweaking, setting individual instructions and having mentality framework. just put everything on team...i hope it's not true!! it's actually very intelligent and it follows some of the frameworks, just a case of Wenger's AI being better at all of us in making a successful tactic, logically the tactic should be the best in the game, there is no disappointment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitja Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 doesn't look it follows anything except what's written in editor. the only framework i noticed is having centre backs on rarely froward runs and other on mixed. wow i'm really impressed..at least creative freedom could be lowered for centre backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moj Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 what editor? which editor? you dont seem to understand, the tactic doesnt have marking or lower creative freedom set for the DC's because you can take advantage, try any other AI tactic and you will see the same - no man marking, no special instructions, etc wenger's tactic follows role theory attacking, quick tempo, high width, high creative freedom, the only slice of genius that the AI has that we did not have before (and now we do) is that there is team passing, not individual passing, this makes the team connect much better, so much better than setting the defenders to short passing, midfielders to mixed and attacking to direct.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitja Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 what editor? which editor? you dont seem to understand, the tactic doesnt have marking or lower creative freedom set for the DC's because you can take advantage, try any other AI tactic and you will see the same - no man marking, no special instructions, etc wenger's tactic follows role theory attacking, quick tempo, high width, high creative freedom, the only slice of genius that the AI has that we did not have before (and now we do) is that there is team passing, not individual passing, this makes the team connect much better, so much better than setting the defenders to short passing, midfielders to mixed and attacking to direct.. yes it's absolutly briliant. it's so...so briliant and sophisticated that even the greatest tactical masters forgoten it's all about being nice and simple. why bother to upset those poor Arsenal players with detailed tactics, they wouldn't understand it, just put everything on mixed and team i still doubt that's the way AI plays Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ljuba82 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 yes it's absolutly briliant. it's so...so briliant and sophisticated that even the greatest tactical masters forgoten it's all about being nice and simple. why bother to upset those poor Arsenal players with detailed tactics, they wouldn't understand it, just put everything on mixed and team i still doubt that's the way AI plays Great topic!!! I think that it's ok....you only have to keep tactic stupid simple and that's ok for me. But thing that is unlogic to me is QUICK tempo, SHORT passing (notch 1). That shouldn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Team instruction tactics have always worked well but not as effective as farrowed tactics in FM08. http://www.fm-britain.co.uk/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t5117.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitja Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 stupid that's the key word. maybe that why human users' tactics seem useless comared to AI's. we're complicating things. i'd just like to know if that's only wenger's style ('to have everything on team') or it is just general AI behaviour? if the latest, someone is fooling us around big time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semih Sentürk Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Does someone use a playmaker or a targetman with this tactic ? everything is standard ;s plz explain ^^ And what is the meaning of AI ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitja Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Team instruction tactics have always worked well but not as effective as farrowed tactics in FM08. http://www.fm-britain.co.uk/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t5117.html nice to hear that thread is stll accseable. it seems that AI tactics are simplyfied even more, what a shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ljuba82 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 that's the key word.maybe that why human users' tactics seem useless comared to AI's. we're complicating things. i'd just like to know if that's only wenger's style ('to have everything on team') or it is just general AI behaviour? if the latest, someone is fooling us around big time... No....all teams have simple tactics, at least Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal. I grabed only their tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirjason Posted December 14, 2008 Author Share Posted December 14, 2008 actually on WENGER tactics, have also grabbed his tactic on WET surface/AWAY matched and so on, basically what he does is "FORWARD RUNS" to midfielders and remaining same, which surprisingly completely against my understanding of FM. I personally thing that at least in the away matched need to consider defense also. Really strange that this team - ARSENAL - is winning %95 of the matches. Suppose it depends on the Player's abilities as I have tried this tactic in a lower league and believe me it sucked. Total disappointment for me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitja Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Suppose it depends on the Player's abilities as I have tried this tactic in a lower league and believe me it sucked.Total disappointment for me... yep, i guess it all comes to players ability. this thing quite easily confirms for me that many features in FM are purely cosmetical. what a waste of money and time.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximTsigalko Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 When I save a tactic from TacGraber it wont load in the game? Can anyone help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Save tactic in tactics file. Rangers tactic used against Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moj Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 that's the key word.maybe that why human users' tactics seem useless comared to AI's. we're complicating things. i'd just like to know if that's only wenger's style ('to have everything on team') or it is just general AI behaviour? if the latest, someone is fooling us around big time... this is 2 things 1. this is how wenger plays IRL, the whole team produces short passes often 2. general AI behaviour, no team has individual instructions except for through balls, run with ball, etc, adjusted.. yep, i guess it all comes to players ability. this thing quite easily confirms for me that many features in FM are purely cosmetical. what a waste of money and time.. what features are cosmetical? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moj Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 actually on WENGER tactics, have also grabbed his tactic on WET surface/AWAY matched and so on, basically what he does is "FORWARD RUNS" to midfielders and remaining same, which surprisingly completely against my understanding of FM. I personally thing that at least in the away matched need to consider defense also.Really strange that this team - ARSENAL - is winning %95 of the matches. Suppose it depends on the Player's abilities as I have tried this tactic in a lower league and believe me it sucked. Total disappointment for me... why is this against your understanding of FM? arsenal often attack away from home IRL, except in the CL or places like Porto or Dynamo Kiev, where Wengers plays with 4-5-1, look at the recent 2-1 win over Chelsea away from home, 2 strikers and all 4 midfielders attacked. i think a main reason why this tactic is so successful for arsenal, is because the tempo is really quick and arsenal have a very fit team, while a lower league team do not have players with high stamina and they cannot play quick tempo very effective - this is one of those "logical" rules that people dont follow with a tactic designed for arsenal - why did you take the tactic and apply it to a small team? unless your players have the talent of fabregas or the fitness of clichy, they will get tired, make sloppy passes, bad movement off the ball, etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANNY1000000 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Cant get FM to load a saved tactic from tac grabber Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANNY1000000 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 lol found them, they are in the standard or archived tactics when imported Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Does anyone think we could make a pretty good tactic set from this ? Attacking tactic would be Arsenal Standard tactic Chelsea / Liverpool ?? Counter attack man u Thoughts ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Does anyone think we could make a pretty good tactic set from this ?Attacking tactic would be Arsenal Standard tactic Chelsea / Liverpool ?? Counter attack man u Thoughts ? Hmm, thinking nearly the same way as you, but my thinking was, have as much leagues running a season and in the end, look the best home / away form. So we have one for home, one away. Pretty much easier to use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 True, however to complete the picture would you look at who had the most success (home and away) against... Big 4 Bottom 6/7 teams Unconventional formations (including the 3-5-2, Chelsea 4-3-3) What you would have here is then 5-6 tactics that should limit in game tweaking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesseh Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 anyone knows if there is any way so we can still see any game and save them? I can only see the last 10 games or such, there is any option? btw thx for the tacgrabber, very useful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwills88 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 if that is true it's how AI plays than it's a major disapointmemt for me...all team instructions, no free roles, no TT&F roles - all players on mixed, except DCs...very disapointing!!!what's the point tweaking, setting individual instructions and having mentality framework. just put everything on team...i hope it's not true!! I'm not sure but when loading FM06 tactics into new versions the individual instructions are lost. Since this Tacgrabber thing is for 06, I'm assuming it saves it in the old format so we probably lose all the individuakl data. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Interestingly i can't seem to import any of the tactics back into the game. This does have some merit though, i've just played man u at home (I'm Leeds, first season) and i lost 3-2, was 2-1 up until i had a man sent off. That was using the Arsenal tactic from above. I've save a few PKM's of what i consider to be good results. 1. A comfortable away win from Chelsea at Spurs (4-0) 2. Arsenal tactic from above 3. Liverpool giving man u a hiding at old trafford (3-1) Has anyone got this working properly ? If so, how and what can be done to make it work ? Could be a nice little experiment this... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spookgf Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I cant load a saved tactic form Tacgraber in fm2009 Can someone explain me the process although it seems easy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesseh Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 go to any match that u have the possibility to save it to a .pkm save it on folder "matches", then, go to tacgraber and press load, then search for the .pkm u just saved, after loaded it it should apear, which team (home/away) do u want to save the .tac press the respective arrow, then save it in folder "tactics", it should work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spookgf Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Thanks a mil. I also wanna ask if in the grab tactics you change the player instructions for every individual ( mentality to tackling )or you left all of them to teams default. I have playing fm from cm4 and it dosnt look normal for me all players to have the same individual instructions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Can someone please re-upload TacGrabber? I get this error when loading the link.... ErrorThis file is neither allocated to a Premium Account, or a Collector's Account, and can therefore only be downloaded 10 times. This limit is reached. To download this file, the uploader either needs to transfer this file into his/her Collector's Account, or upload the file again. The file can later be moved to a Collector's Account. The uploader just needs to click the delete link of the file to get further information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesseh Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Can someone please re-upload TacGrabber? I get this error when loading the link.... try to download via megaupload, like the guy posted other mirros above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 try to download via megaupload, like the guy posted other mirros above Christ, that slipped under my radar. Nice one Jesseh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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