The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Or I recognise what the future for Arsenal is likely to be like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 "what is this all about, Alex chooses David Moyes if the media are to be believed." They can sod off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 That article is horrendous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Or I recognise what the future for Arsenal is likely to be like A fortune teller eh? What are next weeks lotto tickets? that'll do for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Or I recognise what the future for Arsenal is likely to be like ..filled with disappointment and lack of trophies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted April 23, 2009 Administrators Share Posted April 23, 2009 Gotta ask yourself are you happy with a manager who puts together a team which isn't capable of finishing above one which is on its last legs, or so you say. Good stuff with the glory hunters as well. You've never known an Arsenal which wasn't successful, so are you one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Nuno Morais, Anthony Grant, Felipe Oliveira, Lenny Pidgeley, Steven Watt, Michael Mancienne, Jimmy Smith, Gael Kakuta, Sam Hutchinson, Ben Sahar, Scott Sinclair, Michael Woods, Harry Worley, Lee Sawyer, Rhys Taylor, Miroslav Stoch, Jacob Mellis These are all youngsters now, but compare it to the youth at Arsenal: Gibbs, Djourou, Wilshere, Ramsey, Vela still have so much improving to do, compared to that poor list of Chelsea products. This isn't even counting the first teamers either which would add: Fabregas, Nasri, Walcott and Song, while Eduardo, Clichy, Sagna, Adebayor, RVP and Arshavin are all far from their prime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Will Everton FC sell their star players to bring in a fresh face or two? Yeah terrible article, why would a club with a tiny squad and with only a few quid to spend sell all their star players to bring in a 'fresh face or two'? Horrendous article I agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I haven't got on my bike despite almost 4 years of nothing, and it doesn't take a fortune teller to see this young side is only getting better and better, with the competition in decline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRandomGuy Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 **** alias moj. do try harder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I think this guy makes interesting points when referring to the future of the top of the prem, but I think he's being a bit naieve with Arsenal http://bleacherreport.com/articles/150594-the-english-premier-league-the-future-0910 Did you write that article mate ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I know they're getting better tbh, from title challenge last year to holding onto 4th by the grit of your teeth this season, amazing progress Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Nuno Morais, Anthony Grant, Felipe Oliveira, Lenny Pidgeley, Steven Watt, Michael Mancienne, Jimmy Smith, Gael Kakuta, Sam Hutchinson, Ben Sahar, Scott Sinclair, Michael Woods, Harry Worley, Lee Sawyer, Rhys Taylor, Miroslav Stoch, Jacob Mellis Something tells you these players are already in their prime, yes ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted April 23, 2009 Administrators Share Posted April 23, 2009 Nuno Morais, Anthony Grant, Felipe Oliveira, Lenny Pidgeley, Steven Watt, Michael Mancienne, Jimmy Smith, Gael Kakuta, Sam Hutchinson, Ben Sahar, Scott Sinclair, Michael Woods, Harry Worley, Lee Sawyer, Rhys Taylor, Miroslav Stoch, Jacob MellisThese are all youngsters now, but compare it to the youth at Arsenal: Gibbs, Djourou, Wilshere, Ramsey, Vela still have so much improving to do, compared to that poor list of Chelsea products. This isn't even counting the first teamers either which would add: Fabregas, Nasri, Walcott and Song, while Eduardo, Clichy, Sagna, Adebayor, RVP and Arshavin are all far from their prime. Haha, brilliant. Kakuta, Hutchinson, Stoch and Mellis are poor? Ever seen them play? Actually know anything? Do you know how old Arshavin is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 A hot prospect at 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 You really haven't realised have you?I support Everton!! Blue fans sticking together Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I expect reinforcements against the horde of Liverpool muppets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I know exactly how old Arshavin is. But do you think after a couple of months in England he is fully settled and ar his best? Really? And yes Phillip, I have seen them play, but with this kind or argument I guess you can only wait and see. The Arsenal youngsters have proven they can compete in the Prem. And with Fabregas, Walcott, Rosicky, Eduardo out for months of the season. Adeabyor out for a couple of periods and half the defence out now, could any other side challenge for the league with such calibre of players out? Realistically no. I no chelsea have has injuries, but not to the same level, injuries have hurt both sides. I'm just assuming we dont have the same amount every season. Last year we didnt and look how close we were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Haha, brilliant. Kakuta, Hutchinson, Stoch and Mellis are poor? Ever seen them play? Actually know anything?Do you know how old Arshavin is? He looks like a little boy Must have been Wenger's reason for signing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I think when you score 4 against the 3rd best team in the league, yes you are settled Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I know exactly how old Arshavin is. But do you think after a couple of months in England he is fully settled and ar his best? Really?And yes Phillip, I have seen them play, but with this kind or argument I guess you can only wait and see. The Arsenal youngsters have proven they can compete in the Prem. And with Fabregas, Walcott, Rosicky, Eduardo out for months of the season. Adeabyor out for a couple of periods and half the defence out now, could any other side challenge for the league with such calibre of players out? Realistically no. I no chelsea have has injuries, but not to the same level, injuries have hurt both sides. I'm just assuming we dont have the same amount every season. Last year we didnt and look how close we were. Over the last 2 seasons we have had a stupid amount of injuries and yet we had been the closest team to Utd by a long way so its not really an excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted April 23, 2009 Administrators Share Posted April 23, 2009 So you say wait and see but are still prepared to cast our kids off as rubbish? Fine logic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 But look at what's happened since Mourinho took over. Very much the same. There are few who have been brought in not in the thirties. You'll have Cashley and Ivanovic for a few years. Bosingwa, Carvalho the same. JT and Fankie no doubt will keep it coming. anelka too will be able to. But apart from that, your best hope is building round Essien. There needs to be a serious revamp. It is blatantly obvious. The question is whether you will be able to. That's what we have to wait on. But my point is completely right, because if you look at ManUtd, they have had a period of success forso long that they can bring in average young players such as Welbeck and Gibson and almsot beat Everton, as the winning mentality is drilled into them. Chelsea will be unable to do the same. How many young players are gettin g games for you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Also, Cech clearly not the same since he put the silly hat on. Whether it's psychological since the collision, I don't know, but you defo had the best keeper in the world. Get him back to his best, and I think you will do better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deez0r Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 This the keeper who has conceeded the least goals this season in the Premiership? Honestly you dont have a clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 And tbf i don't see Arsenal having any top class keepers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted April 23, 2009 Administrators Share Posted April 23, 2009 You'll have Cashley and Ivanovic for a few years. Bosingwa, Carvalho the same. JT and Fankie no doubt will keep it coming. anelka too will be able to. But apart from that, your best hope is building round Essien So seven or eight of our regular eleven? Whatever will we do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 because the keeper alone determines how many goals are conceded. I think it's you who doesn't have a clue. Van Der Sar went on a remarkable run of clean sheets but isn't touted as the best in the league. While Manuel Almunia has had one poor game this season, he is a quality keeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 So seven or eight of our regular eleven? Whatever will we do? We'll see when you have injuries, players leaving and several competitions to fight for. Or do you plan on using the same 11 every game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisandro Lopez Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 because the keeper alone determines how many goals are conceded. I think it's you who doesn't have a clue. Van Der Sar went on a remarkable run of clean sheets but isn't touted as the best in the league. While Manuel Almunia has had one poor game this season, he is a quality keeper. Almunia is not quality, he's decent/good at best. Quality though? Oh dear. 0_o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 because the keeper alone determines how many goals are conceded. I think it's you who doesn't have a clue. Van Der Sar went on a remarkable run of clean sheets but isn't touted as the best in the league. While Manuel Almunia has had one poor game this season, he is a quality keeper. I didn't say that it is the keeper alone that determines the amount conceeded.:confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 but u questioned my opinion of cech for the simple reason that he has conceded the least amount of goals this season van dersar conceded 4 against liverpool, but cech did too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 But look at what's happened since Mourinho took over.Very much the same. There are few who have been brought in not in the thirties. You'll have Cashley and Ivanovic for a few years. Bosingwa, Carvalho the same. JT and Fankie no doubt will keep it coming. anelka too will be able to. But apart from that, your best hope is building round Essien. There needs to be a serious revamp. It is blatantly obvious. The question is whether you will be able to. That's what we have to wait on. But my point is completely right, because if you look at ManUtd, they have had a period of success forso long that they can bring in average young players such as Welbeck and Gibson and almsot beat Everton, as the winning mentality is drilled into them. Chelsea will be unable to do the same. How many young players are gettin g games for you? So you have just named 8 players who will still be decent for the next few years, that doesnt imply an over the hill squad. Bosingwa - Not old Ivanovic - Not old Cole - Got a while still Terry - Same as Cole Alex - Same Carvalho - not sure if he will reach his best again Lamps - Getting better every year Essien - Got ages left Mikel - just turned 22 Kalou - young Malouda - not old drogs & anelka - not got ages left but still a couple seasons 3 youth players all made some appearances this season. Di Santo - would have probably played more if it wasnt for injuries, reckon he will be used more next year. Mancienne - did well on loan got into england squad going to be a big player for us. Stoch - looked good when come on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 This the keeper who has conceeded the least goals this season in the Premiership? Honestly you dont have a clue. ^^ I didnt write this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Almunia quality I wouldn't even put him in the prems top 5 goalkeepers fgs Cech Given Reina Howard VDS James Almunia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 ^^ I didnt write this. I was replying to him not you, I was only looking at comment, not who posted it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Almunia quality I wouldn't even put him in the prems top 5 goalkeepers fgs Cech Given Reina Howard VDS James Almunia I would rather have Green, Swachzer (sp), Juskelainen and even Cudicini over Almunia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 And dont forget about Joe Cole. He's 27. Not old and if he doesnt get too many injuries he still has many seasons left to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 How could I forget Cole. Brilliant player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I would add Friedel to that list aswell. Even though recently he's dipped in form a bit, he;s still a good GK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Almunia quality I wouldn't even put him in the prems top 5 goalkeepers fgs Cech Given Reina Howard VDS James Almunia Even if he isn't top 5, does that make him bad? Maybe there are actually other good keepers? Put Cech next to Buffon and Casillas and suddenly he's at the bottom of a list of keepers. I believe Almunia has won us quite a few point s this season, and is a very good shot stopper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Cech has made a few errors recently but his had an ok season. It looked like he was slowly finding form and then Bolton and Liverpool. I thought he was pretty solid last night, made a few great saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Nobody said Almunia was ****, just not quality as you put it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 So you have just named 8 players who will still be decent for the next few years, that doesnt imply an over the hill squad.Bosingwa - Not old Ivanovic - Not old Cole - Got a while still Terry - Same as Cole Alex - Same Carvalho - not sure if he will reach his best again Lamps - Getting better every year Essien - Got ages left Mikel - just turned 22 Kalou - young Malouda - not old drogs & anelka - not got ages left but still a couple seasons 3 youth players all made some appearances this season. Di Santo - would have probably played more if it wasnt for injuries, reckon he will be used more next year. Mancienne - did well on loan got into england squad going to be a big player for us. Stoch - looked good when come on. But how many years will they last? Not many. Will Lampard be doing his thing in 3 seasons? The quality isn't there compared to the mourinho team, despite being similar personnel wise. The youngsters you have named havent proven themselves to be capable in the premiership, although i reserve judgement on mancienne, because i think he could be a very good player. Kalou is very poor tbh, dont mention him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRandomGuy Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Almunia is actually very good tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I'm confused as to how all these Chelsea youth players are going to be released without getting a chance whilst the first team players die of old age with no money to replace them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRandomGuy Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Kalou is very poor tbh, dont mention him. if only we had Diaby or Eboue on the wing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Kalou is a young squad player his only 23. I think in his time at Chelsea his probably played to much to young. He can be incredibly frustrating at times but if his decision making and consistency improved even a little bit could be a very useful player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Imo we are missing Robben he was good when he played at the bridge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I'm confused as to how all these Chelsea youth players are going to be released without getting a chance whilst the first team players die of old age with no money to replace them. But if they play, there is no guarantee they will succeed. My point is that they havnt proven themselves, unlike Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy, Walcott etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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