Antmanbrooks Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I don't know if anyone else has noticed but there are a few things that seem to happen over and over on about 50% of all the games I see. I'm basing my opinions on threads and screenshots within the threads I have seen. You may disagree or you may have seen other examples. I'm not complaining so please don't flame me, just making an observation and would like to see if other people have spotted the same or other examples? 1: Liverpool seem to underachieve. I have seen numerous final league tables and often see Liverpool down in about 6th to 10th place. (I noticed this because I support Liverpool, you might have spotted the same for your team). 2: Oscar Cardozo and Keirrison get signed by everyone! I personally have signed neither simply because everyone else does. 3: Two of the following three teams will be relegated in season 1 - Hull, Middlesbrough or Stoke. Seen this on almost all league tables posted here. 4: Wonder tactics don't work. All the tactics claiming "Wonder Tactic, beats eveyone and finished top of the league with Fulham/Bolton/Hull/Boro etc..." are actually pretty average and you're much better tweaking your own tactic. This could just be me though, I've tried a couple but with average results, yet my own tactic has given me much better results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro007 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 You mention that everyone signs Cardozo and Keirrison, why would people not sign players that are quality at a cheap price. Why would people go after someone like Dean Ashton and pay £15m for him when you can get better players cheaper. Personally I have never signed either of them, I prefer Balotelli. The reason is the same, he is 18, costs £10m and in 2 years is amazing. Tactics need to change with the players that you have, one tactic will never work for every team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamweesel Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Even West Ham seem to go down a lot in the first season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antmanbrooks Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 You mention that everyone signs Cardozo and Keirrison, why would people not sign players that are quality at a cheap price. Why would people go after someone like Dean Ashton and pay £15m for him when you can get better players cheaper.Personally I have never signed either of them, I prefer Balotelli. The reason is the same, he is 18, costs £10m and in 2 years is amazing. Tactics need to change with the players that you have, one tactic will never work for every team. I understand why people buy them, I just personally prefer not to use players loads of other people buy or well documented obscure players that are amazing on Footy Manager. I would like to see a few more AI teams bidding for these players though, if they are that good surely all of Europes top teams would have their eye on them? I'm not against people buying them, just the vast majority of people buy them because they are proven cheap, quality players. Like I said these are just observations, not critisisms. Yeah, totally agree with you on the tactics thing and actually really like the fact that there isn't one single wonder tactic, well done SI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Can we try and keep too much player naming out of this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carradona Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Can we try and keep too much player naming out of this Yes, Mr Forum police, Sir. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yes, Mr Forum police, Sir. He is stopping this thread getting closed Im glad super tactics don't work to be honest. It stops the temptation I get to download them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antmanbrooks Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 Can we try and keep too much player naming out of this Sorry, didn't realise. Can a mod put a warning on the thread please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antmanbrooks Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 He is stopping this thread getting closed Im glad super tactics don't work to be honest. It stops the temptation I get to download them Yeah I think this is a big plus for the game from SI. I don't know if it's just a matter of time before someone develops one, but from my own experience I have really struggled to get anywhere near the same results I had on previous versions. This one is either much harder or the tactics I employed in 08 and before just don't work in 09. It's a case of finding a new way of doing things I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro007 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I think the fact that the AI can get used to your tactics and start to counter it is a great point of this game. In previous versions I would find a formation that worked and stick with it for years. In this version I have to change it every year or so. Not major changes, just enough to keep the AI guessing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yes, Mr Forum police, Sir. Thankyou for your contribution to the thread. I agree with Liverpool under achieving, they seem to go rapidly downhill on all my games. With or without Rafa in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I agree with Liverpool under achieving, they seem to go rapidly downhill on all my games. With or without Rafa in charge. I suddenly have the urge to play FM09 more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antmanbrooks Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 I suddenly have the urge to play FM09 more Is that cos you want to save Liverpool from mediocrity or because you want to revel in their poor performance on FM09? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
108 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 i've had 3 different saves so far, and each time Liverpool finish around 6th. Does seem to me that they underachieve alot. Rather realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimbobWWFC Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Who cares about "Wonder Tactics" anymore? The perception that there are tactics out there that work for every team is just naive. Yes, you can have a base to build from, but you will still need to change some aspects of it. And as for number 2, what does that matter anyway? That has always happened on FM. For example: Adu, Mokoena, etc, etc. All you can to prevent this is to sign them instead of other teams getting there first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antmanbrooks Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 Who cares about "Wonder Tactics" anymore? The perception that there are tactics out there that work for every team is just naive. Yes, you can have a base to build from, but you will still need to change some aspects of it.And as for number 2, what does that matter anyway? That has always happened on FM. For example: Adu, Mokoena, etc, etc. All you can to prevent this is to sign them instead of other teams getting there first Agreed. Like I said above, the fact that there doesn't appear to be "wonder tactics" is a good thing. Yeah there have always been players like this. Adu in my opinion is a poor example though because at the time he was good on football manager (and he still is from what I have seen) it was pretty much world news anyway that he was a fantastic prospect, pretty much in the same way it's world news that Messi is a class player. I think it's good that they have the -2/-10 system in place to give random player development so you'll always get different players developing into stars of the future, but I think that they should also have more "big" clubs interested in signing the likes of Keirrison to make it more difficult and add more variation to games. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind people buying the same players because like someone mentioned above, why wouldn't you buy them, but at the same time why wouldn't Arsenal, Man Utd, Cheslea, Real Madrid, Barcelona and so on want to buy him too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hursty2 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yeah same people relegated in my game 20th Hull, 19th Stoke, 18th Boro And Liverpool got robbed a CL spot on the last day on goal difference by Chelsea this all in a game where I came 3rd by 4 points with United then Arsenal Second but the biggest shock of all... Everton Won the league :| Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celts1888 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yes, Mr Forum police, Sir. Why be cheeky to a guy who is meerly informing you of forum rules, when naming players just put player naming inside in the forum title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Pogrebnyak Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Anyone notice that Everton seem to perform unrealisticly well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanGLiverpool Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 About the league thing, in season 1, Hull Fulham and Stoke got releagated, so you have a point there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hursty2 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Anyone notice that Everton seem to perform unrealisticly well? I certainly have but no surprise that they were gonna end up winning it there last few fixtures were against very weak sides Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minisav Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hull and Stoke got relegated in my first season. But they're predicted to finish low so what's the problem? Liverpool won the league in my first season. They then came 4th the next season and all 3 newly promoted teams went down. Hull are back in the Prem in the 3rd season but are last in mid January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antmanbrooks Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 Actually now you mention it Everton have seemed to overperform in my leagues too. Currently in my Newcastle game I'm in January and they are 2nd in the league with a game in hand. I did notice on a couple of other screen shots of other people's games they were 3rd or about there too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yakuba and Cahill are scoring machines on my games and Everton are constantly doing better than Pool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yes, Mr Forum police, Sir. No need to take that attitude. He was simply pointing out that player naming shouldn't really be done in GD, and if it is, it should be clearly labelled. Sorry, didn't realise. Can a mod put a warning on the thread please. Sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hursty2 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yakuba and Cahill are scoring machines on my games and Everton are constantly doing better than Pool. PROOF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antmanbrooks Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hull and Stoke got relegated in my first season. But they're predicted to finish low so what's the problem? Liverpool won the league in my first season. They then came 4th the next season and all 3 newly promoted teams went down. Hull are back in the Prem in the 3rd season but are last in mid January. I think it's fair enough that Stoke and Hull would be considered relegation candidates and they have performed admirably so far IRL. What does seem a little odd is on most of the games I have seen completed screenshots for season 1, Liverpool finish low on almost all of them (6th to 10th) I would consider them to be almost guaranteed 3rd to 6th based on previous form obviously give or take for a few good/bad results. Plus now it's been mentioned Everton do seem to overachieve on the whole. Obviously there are going to be games where Everton finish well and Liverpool finish badly, just look at Hull IRL! Very few people would have predicted they would have done so well. What I'm saying is; if you take 100 random season 1 premier league final tables from the current database, you would expect to see on average the game reflecting roughly the actual league. It seems however on first glance that Liverpool are underpowered and Everton are overpowered? It would be nice to get everyone to post their season 1 league tables to see what the game database averages for the Prem (or any other league for that matter). I like realism in my Footy Manager games, but don't mind if teams over/underperform now and again or rise/fall in status over a few seasons or even have a one hit wonder season. What does concern me is if a team considered mid-table or top 4 or relegation candidate consistently over/under performs in those 100 random seasons. That to me would be a data issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antmanbrooks Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 No need to take that attitude. He was simply pointing out that player naming shouldn't really be done in GD, and if it is, it should be clearly labelled.Sure. Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejay10 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 On 9.0.1 (I switched back because of the "Bojan" Bug), Man City always sign the same players at the start, Zhirkov, Srna, Hamsik, Palombo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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