J4m1e Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Originally posted by Klimowicz:sorry, i missed what she called he son (if it had any significance)??? Aaron, i.e Claire's Aaron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 I notice in the UK thread people are saying it must mean Claire died if Kate has her Baby now. I don't think it means that at all. Claire for whatever reason may have decided to stay on the island, however wanted the Baby to grow up off the island so gave it to Kate. Or Kate thinking it was a stupid decision by Claire to stay simply took the baby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klimowicz Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Originally posted by J4m1e:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klimowicz: sorry, i missed what she called he son (if it had any significance)??? Aaron, i.e Claire's Aaron. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> daaaang Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J4m1e Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 It could be that Claire has died, but the obvious is almost never what happens in lost so it's stupid to assume that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 well given the psychic in season 1, the obvious might be that she realises the psychic was right and she indeed lets Aaron be raised by someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fish Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Originally posted by Jongi:well given the psychic in season 1, the obvious might be that she realises the psychic was right and she indeed lets Aaron be raised by someone else. But the psychic said the child must be raised by Claire? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 ah well. my memory fails me. thought it was the other way around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Olly Kenney Posted February 24, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted February 24, 2008 So glad I wasn't the only one thinking downs syndrome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fish Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Also, Claire's soul mate died 3 days ago, and shes sat around drinking coffee without a care in the world. Pfffft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandaLUFC Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Wasn't it Boxing Day in that episode? Tsunami has got to be taken into account surely, so perhaps that may have something to do witht he chopper...more than likely the time thing though. Also, first thing I thought was Claire must have stayed back/died when it was revealed to be Aaron. Think that is why Kate was reluctant to bring Aaron into the court room in case her credibility as mother was brought into question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willigogs Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Originally posted by Jongi:Before this season started didn't the writers say there wqould be 2 seasons of 16 episodes (making it 32 in total)? Nope - they wanted to do 2 full seasons of 23/4 episodes, but ABC supposedly talked them into splitting it into 3 seasons of 16 (48) instead so they can no doubt drag it our even longer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandaLUFC Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Although that has since been revised - season 4 will only be 13 episodes long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yovan Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Originally posted by Francis Cole:I notice in the UK thread people are saying it must mean Claire died if Kate has her Baby now. I don't think it means that at all. Claire for whatever reason may have decided to stay on the island, however wanted the Baby to grow up off the island so gave it to Kate. Or Kate thinking it was a stupid decision by Claire to stay simply took the baby. Or Ben wanted her to stay because she had a baby in the island. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 btw the bracelet on the women in Sayid's flashforward wasnt the same one from Naomi. Was confirmed in the official podcast if anyone didnt know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statistical Approach Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Yeah asthough Sayid is killing everyone from the organisaton looking for Ben. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK Galgreefe Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 willing to put good money on claire not dying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 i'd take whatever odds that claire is not dead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosslarkin Posted February 24, 2008 Author Share Posted February 24, 2008 As has been said, pretty dumbed down episode to signify the fact that it wasn't Kate's baby. Before the Aaron reveal, I had thought it was Sawyers and thats why Jack wouldn't see it but another curve ball from the writers. To me, Daniels cards were just a memory thing, as he looked frustrated more than anything. Sayid not arriving on the boat is obviously due to the time warp thing. I'd like to know the date when they were in court too! I'm starting to think that Ben is the major force behind getting the '6' off the island. Obviously he's off too, but I don't think we can include him in the 6 as he was very clearly 'wanted'. The only thing annoying me is I can't see any permutation where Jack would leave others behind unless they were dead, which is highly unlikely with Kate's 'we have to go back' from the S3 finale. So we've got the definites of the '6' as Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid. I'm inclined to include Sun and Jin with them. Opinions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK Galgreefe Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 i reckon way more than 6 end up getting off the island, but only 6 are rescued - and it's the six that agree to be part of the cover up. everyone else is left to fend for themselves, and for some of them that will involve getting off the island by their own devices. i'm including sayid, desmond and of course ben in the latter category. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 JK the flaw in omre than 6 getting off is to assume the press would ignore the other families that were affected by the crash. which would mean that any losties that get off the island and are not part of the oceanic six would have to live the rest of their lives in hiding. i don't think it's plausible to suggest that there are other losties who are off the island and its not known. unless you think they are in some sort of holding area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK Galgreefe Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 the press wouldn't necessarily know anything about the other escapees. essentially all they will know is what oceanic have told them, which is the sanitised version jack told in the courtroom. as for living in hiding, it's pretty obvious ben can change his identity quite easily (judging from the fake passports in his house on the island). sayid would have been taken into hiding / had his identity hidden by ben so he could work as an assassin. desmond could quite easily disappear off into the sunset with penny presuming she actually finds him. her organisation probably has enough resources to keep him safe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 So we've got the definites of the '6' as Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid. I'm inclined to include Sun and Jin with them. Opinions And Aaron ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yovan Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Originally posted by Francis Cole:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So we've got the definites of the '6' as Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid. I'm inclined to include Sun and Jin with them. Opinions And Aaron ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Aaron wasn’t a passenger. I think Jack and the rest are lying because they want to protect the island (that's why Jack met Hurley). Maybe Locke has replaced Ben in the Island. Jack would leave the others behind because he believes in the Island or Jacob or Ben. I don’t know, maybe he saw his father. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Who said he was? The oceanic 6 or whatever it is seems to be a media (in the series) coined phrase, and in real life they would most likly count someone born on the island as a survivor I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucampe Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Oceanic 6 seems like such a convenient term, seeing as it leaves open the possibility of Ben, Aaron (both confirmed) and Desmond being off the island because they weren't on the plane when it crashed. Even someone like Mikhail could be publically-known to be part of the rescued group without being part of the Oceanic 6. Maybe the term 'Oceanic 6' was coined by the media when the survivors sued the airline (or something else not directly implying that only 6 people were recovered from the island.) Francis - why would they include someone born on the island as one of the 'OCEANIC 6'? It seems likely that whatever conspiracy's in place to protect the island would have to preclude them from admitting that there was anyone living on the island already. Ben's represented as having the resources to keep himself insulated from the media and Desmond, through Penny, does likewise. Aaron, as a child, might have excluded attention of the press. Another possibility is that Aaron and/or Ben don't come off the island at the same time as the other 6 and thus aren't included in the group, which might help explain Aaron's strange size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilf7 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Just jumping into this thread to ask.....when Kate says to Jack about "until you see him we cant have coffee" Is she definatly talking about the child??? I thought that at first but maybe she could be talking about someone else??? maybe Ben? the big tall black bloke that was stalking Hurley(cant remember his name)??? is their anything confirming the child? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Yes, she was talking about the child. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James07? Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I guess Jack’s reluctance to see the child and his desperation to get back to the island are connected to a decision that he made or was party to that determined who went and who stayed. We’ve no evidence that the Oceanic 6 are the only survivors – in fact everything points to the opposite...we also don't know how many got off the island...all the talk of the Oceanic 6 has been in public...so there probably could be more that got off but equally the bulk might still be there. It may be irrelevant because of all the time anomaly malarkey but have we any indication of the time elapsed between the ‘on-island’ events and the flash-forwards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Also, is one of the Oceanic 6 one of the ones who Jack visisted when they died? questions, questions, questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yovan Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Originally posted by Francis Cole:Who said he was? The oceanic 6 or whatever it is seems to be a media (in the series) coined phrase, and in real life they would most likly count someone born on the island as a survivor I think. In the trial, Jack said that only eight survived the crash. Then he said that Kate tried to save the other two, meaning that two died in the island. Those survivors are the Oceanic 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fish Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 The funeral Jack went to surely wasn't one of the Oceanic 6. With all the media attention they have had their would have been some people there. I'm leaning towards Ben being in the coffin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James07? Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 If one of the Oceanic 6 had died wouldn't the news reporting surrounding the death have been much larger? Don't think Ben would be one of the 6...as has been said, the '6' are all people who would have been on the plane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fish Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Exactly. Plus Ben can go to and from the Island as he pleases, judging by that money/collection of passports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statistical Approach Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I doubt it would be been in the coffin. Unless everything is dragged out and that is near the end of the final season. Otherwise it leaves them nowhere to go really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fish Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Originally posted by Hexhamlad:I doubt it would be been in the coffin. Unless everything is dragged out and that is near the end of the final season. Otherwise it leaves them nowhere to go really. I think you are doing the writing team a disservice there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucampe Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Why's that hexhamlad? If, theoretically, the Oceanic 6 get off the island at the end of this series, then the Jack/Kate confrontation from the end of series 3 happens at the end of the 5th series (prompted by the death of Ben,) then the final series will be their return to the island and the resolution with whomever this mysterious person is who wanted Ben dead. Even if it isn't that mysterious character who becomes the focus of the series, there are other people who could take over from Ben in terms of significant characters - the non-aging Other Richard, Jacob or Christian Shepard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statistical Approach Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Originally posted by The_Fish:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hexhamlad: I doubt it would be been in the coffin. Unless everything is dragged out and that is near the end of the final season. Otherwise it leaves them nowhere to go really. I think you are doing the writing team a disservice there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Not really. But granted there would be somewhere to go I'm just talking about what I want to see. Unless it's just lots of Ben but through flashbacks in other people's pespective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Originally posted by Hexhamlad:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The_Fish: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hexhamlad: I doubt it would be been in the coffin. Unless everything is dragged out and that is near the end of the final season. Otherwise it leaves them nowhere to go really. I think you are doing the writing team a disservice there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Not really. But granted there would be somewhere to go I'm just talking about what I want to see. Unless it's just lots of Ben but through flashbacks in other people's pespective. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> You basically have no clue all the directions the writers can take the show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Considering Ben was never meant to be this big of a character Im pretty sure theyd have somewhere to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statistical Approach Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I'm just saying what I want to see, thought that would be clear by now. Everything in this season has suggested Ben is the key figure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucampe Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Originally posted by Hexhamlad:I'm just saying what I want to see, thought that would be clear by now. Everything in this season has suggested Ben is the key figure. Why are you contradicting yourself in the same post?! If you want Ben to stay alive, that's fine, but you instantly add statements that make it seem as if you're trying to justify the claim that Ben can't be in the coffin. He can EASILY die, there's not a single character that cannot feasibly die considering the swerves that Lost has thrown at us so far. You say that 'they'd have nowhere to go' if he died which is completely incorrect. If he dies, there DOESN'T necessarily have to be 'lots of Ben in other people's flashbacks.' NOTHING in this season has suggested that Ben cannot die. RedRob: Jack was supposed to die after 3 episodes (IIRC) too, yet they've managed to build quite a lot of the programme around him, Kate/Sawyer, Jack and Locke as embodiments of two attitudes etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fish Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 2 episodes I think it was, but same difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Originally posted by Nucampe:RedRob: Jack was supposed to die after 3 episodes (IIRC) too, yet they've managed to build quite a lot of the programme around him, Kate/Sawyer, Jack and Locke as embodiments of two attitudes etc. Jack was meant to die in the pilot. The bit where they find the pilot up the tree dead, that was meant to be Jack. If they'd went down that route Jack was going to be played by Michael Keaton. They talk about on one of the extras on the first season boxset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fish Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 The pilot was a double episode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandaLUFC Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Ben are pretty indispensable for at least one more season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucampe Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Originally posted by pandaLUFC:Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Ben are pretty indispensable for at least one more season. They could all die in flashforwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 RedRob: Jack was supposed to die after 3 episodes (IIRC) too, yet they've managed to build quite a lot of the programme around him, Kate/Sawyer, Jack and Locke as embodiments of two attitudes etc. Well exactly, im saying that the death of Ben wouldnt leave the writers with nowhere to go. Ben is by the far the best character for me, so its certainly a good choice of the writers to keep him on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandaLUFC Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 But they'd still be there on the island. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Speaking of Jack meant to be die after 3 seasons - Ben himself was only meant to be in the series for a few epps, but the actor was so good they made him into a larger role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Thats what we're talking about And Jack was meant to die in the pilot initially, but the network told the writers that Jack should be the main. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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