RedRob Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Originally posted by The_Fish:Everyone saying it wasn't an experiment, it clearly wasn't, but when it exploded, nothing really happened? No-one died etc. What wouldve happenned if Desmond hadnt turned the switch though? He turned the ermency key remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Everyone saying it wasn't an experiment, it clearly wasn't, but when it exploded, nothing really happened? No-one died etc. i think it might get revealed that it made the island easier for penny to find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_oc16 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 About these numbers, I reckon the dude that Hurley got them from was a Dharma member who left the island and ended up at that mental institution or whatever it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 well the wife said they were just naval dudes who tracked the distress signal to the island. Obviously what happened to them when they track it is key. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 I think Kate's the key and they should cut open her head and feast on her brains to find the answers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 wrong island iirc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Wilson Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Originally posted by MixitupMixitdictator:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Everyone saying it wasn't an experiment, it clearly wasn't, but when it exploded, nothing really happened? No-one died etc. i think it might get revealed that it made the island easier for penny to find. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Already did, "missed it again" pretty much agreed to be referring to the first time Desmond missed entering the numbers and caused the plane crash. Now how Penny knew to track for an EMP in the middle of the Indian ocean is another question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudweiser Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Originally posted by RedRob:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mudweiser: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Anton: But it wasnt an experiment.... The pushing of the buttons? Yes it was. "You are observing an experiment taking place. The subjects are not aware of their involvment." That's what the Dharma scientist says on the video of the observatory which watches the hatch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Just because the scientist said that on the video doesnt mean that is the case. Could just as easily be an experiment on the people who were watching and recording everything people did in that station, seeing as the diarys were left in a massive pile unread. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Whether the button actually does anything it a moot point. The experiment is one of faith - underlined by Locke and then Echo's belief in it. The subjects have no idea why they are pushing the button, they just do. THIS is the experiement which is being observed by the Dharma. It is a question of faith; a prominent theme in Lost. Also back on the Locke theories; in his past he's been used and duped by his father and the undercover police officer. He claims the Island is talking to him and making him do things - I think over the comign series' we will see Locke being used by the Island - yet this time, Locke will stand up for himself and fight back. Maybe this will save people. Maybe it won't. But I think his history and now the Island using him (driving him to stab Naomi, for instance) is very prominent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statistical Approach Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Locke stabbed Naomi because he doesn't want to go home. But he then bottled it and let Jack use the phone. Why he didn't take it from Jack I'll never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 The experiment is one of faith - underlined by Locke and then Echo's belief in it. The subjects have no idea why they are pushing the button, they just do. THIS is the experiement which is being observed by the Dharma. It is a question of faith; a prominent theme in Lost. could be a double bluff at same time though, part experiment part necessary. End of the day Des being late pressing the button brought down the plane so it's not just about faith. Unless of course you look at it like faith is the reason it was brought down, to re-gain their faith in life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBlood Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Why he didn't take it from Jack I'll never know. It's was in the script! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudweiser Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Originally posted by MixitupMixitdictator:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The experiment is one of faith - underlined by Locke and then Echo's belief in it. The subjects have no idea why they are pushing the button, they just do. THIS is the experiement which is being observed by the Dharma. It is a question of faith; a prominent theme in Lost. could be a double bluff at same time though, part experiment part necessary. End of the day Des being late pressing the button brought down the plane so it's not just about faith. Unless of course you look at it like faith is the reason it was brought down, to re-gain their faith in life. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Well, like I said, whether the button had any purpose doesn't matter regarding the experiment - it was an experiment by Dharma to observe people pressing something because they're told to, without knowing why. We see both Locke, Echo and Desmond fall prey to this, which is interesting. The fact that the button DOES actually have a purpose, is a bonus. Maybe Dharma knew about it, maybe not. But the experiement doesn't cover that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Wilson Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Everybody clearly forgetting "the incident" which probably turned the experiment into having an actual purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudweiser Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Upped: Attack of the clones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 The experiment is one of faith - underlined by Locke and then Echo's belief in it. The subjects have no idea why they are pushing the button, they just do. THIS is the experiement which is being observed by the Dharma. It is a question of faith; a prominent theme in Lost. That was the experiment in that they had no idea why they were pushing it but it wasnt just a case of "will they push it or wont they" as not pushing it had dramatic consequences. As Dhamma said, it's imperitive, etc. As explained by Kelvin (?, guy in the hatch with Desmond before Lost guys arrived IIRC) that there is an electro magnetic charge that builds up and pushing the button releases it. As we saw when they didnt push it it really was a case of their work being vital. It being "just" an experiment would be if nothing really did happen if you didnt push the button Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_celt Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 I'm trying to remember off the top of my head, but was it not that the hatch was originally "just" an experiment. It was after the incident that the pushing of the button became so important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 no i think they used 'the incident' as motivation, what happened may of been nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Baker Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Lost S1 E5 ('White Rabbit') - Charlie to Jack, when the girl is drowning: "I can't swim...I can't swim" Lost S3 E21 ('Greatest Hits') Charlie's 4th 'greatest hit': "Dad teaching me to swim at Butlins" FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 DAMMIT! Maybe he was just chicken **** to swim to save in s1 e5, dad teaching doesn't mean he was fully taught? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statistical Approach Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Charlie was clearly terrified in that scene. He must of been a confident swimmer to make it into the looking glass in season three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 You'll also remember he was a raging drug addict, with a pocketful of smack at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holteender115466 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 If the Dharma people were all killed, then why was that air package dropped (in s1 or s2 cant remeber which) by them. Sorry if a bit slow only recently started watching all the episodes on a website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 One of the training videos mentions something about food groups will be continuous. Also, Locke pulls out a folder labelled "food drops" when they're at eye patch guys hatch. You might think Dhamma have some kind of connection with matters off the island and someone somewhere have realised that their people have been overthrown. Maybe that's who's on the boat ? I think alot of people think it's Dhamma coming back on this boat so it more than likely isnt gonna be that. Also, they seem to have killed off a bunch of the Others, the ones we knew anyway. Leaves Ben and Richard from the original habitants so i figure they are making way for new characters/enemies that are arriving on this boat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Apart from the 'shut down' where Locke was locked in and there was a food drop there dont seem to have been any others. Not sure what the frequency of them is supposed to be. Also, at that time, no one outside the first hatch (i.e. on the beach) saw any planes or anything that could have dropped anything. Who knows ?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 just watching 2 09 Saywer shouting "why did you kill me" to Kate, it's supposed to be 'about' how she killed her Dad but it could be a double twist about who's in the coffin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudweiser Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Originally posted by Kev_celt:I'm trying to remember off the top of my head, but was it not that the hatch was originally "just" an experiment. It was after the incident that the pushing of the button became so important. I think you might be right - the hatch was obviously there first and not built around the incident, suggesting the hatch with the button was going to be there anyway, experiment and all. I've been watching S3 again and I'm getting the bigger picture. I think, anyway. Some of the things The Others say when you watch it second time round seem to make some kind of sense. Here goes; I think The Island is some kind of powerful entity and humans are able to channel that power by going through some kind of transcendence. A box that contains anything you imagine, polar bears, the black-smoke defence system... it may be the epicentre of life on earth, or an equivalent. Jacob, a 'native' of the island (maybe a group of spiritualists who heard about the island and made camp years ago) was the first to transcend and is now 'one' with the island, and is looking for additions to either increase or share the 'power' the island gives. He writes a list of the candidates. Suddenly everyone has a purpose, a reason. The useless are disposed of. Dharma knew about the power of the island and setup their base there, wanting to bridge man-made science and the natural power contained therein. Yet, of course, only the natives remain now. Those who have crashed, crashed for a reason. Each one of them has a role or something to offer the island. Locke is the most important, because he has recognised the power of the island - which is why Ben shot him, he realised Locke's knowledge of the island was a liability. He's not on Jacob's list. If that makes sense, brilliant, but I think that's where its heading. Naomi's people are threats to the island, I'm sure they're a part of Dharma, or maybe a new group entirely, but Ben knows about them. An island of this power and importance to life would of course be of interest to many people. Maybe the natives have managed to fight off everyone else because of Jacob. Maybe because they know the true power of the island and are willing to die for it in defence. Maybe I'm very wrong, but that's what it seems. Would answer why Jack wants to go back; maybe they all begin to realise their role on the island in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandaLUFC Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Ben claimed to have no idea about the hatch and its function - which is perhaps why he was surprised at the purple flash at the end of S2. However, I have a feeling he knows something about it because of all the monitors, as well as growing up with Dharma. Anyway, I believe the boat people to be Dharma coming back - the Others are probably the lesser of two evils, as I see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Could see the Lost guys "teaming up" with Ben now !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Ben claimed to have no idea about the hatch and its function - which is perhaps why he was surprised at the purple flash at the end of S2. However, I have a feeling he knows something about it because of all the monitors, as well as growing up with Dharma. deffo knew about it because they used to it communicate with Michael to get him to come for Walt, unless it was the Island communicating or Walt's POWER Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Ben knew about it, in Paulo and Niki's flashback when Paulo is at the 2nd hatch Ben and Juliette come in (and leave the walkie talkie thing) and Ben is talking to Juliette about Jack and points him out to her on the monitor showing the original hatch. Ben knows EVERYTHING !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 i.e. knew he was there / what he was doing, etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wEn72T6poA0 an incredibly interesting mobisode. Theories? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fish Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Originally posted by MixitupMixitdictator:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wEn72T6poA0 an incredibly interesting mobisode. Theories? wtf? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 coool hey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=E-eHEYswgK8 something i'd not seen before, alot may of seen it though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Wilson Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 just smokie, he's still dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 yeah of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Quick question for the other Americans here. How soon do the episodes appear on ABC.com? I'm going to be stuck at work until midnight tomorrow, so I'm not going to be able to watch it on television. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew K Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 The next morning, I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Hopefully at exactly midnight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew K Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 I have something to attend until 10:30 tomorrow night, so I'm taping it. However, my ATT u-verse system sucks **** so I'm paranoid it won't tape. I hate watching it on my computer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 should I watch the first two episodes today? yeah, I think I will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 when exactly does it start, just one this week or two Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandaLUFC Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 ABC going to be showing a double episode to kick off the season or has AJ latched onto a leak? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Originally posted by pandaLUFC:ABC going to be showing a double episode to kick off the season or has AJ latched onto a leak? you know the Garth Brooks song about having friends in low places?it's like that, but the exact opposite. I don't directly have control over the disc, however, so I might not end up getting to see the episodes. however, I expect that I will spend roughly 2 hours and change tonight oooohing and awwwwing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_oc16 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 I thought the season premiere was a 2hr special? Or do they plan to show it as a two-parter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Originally posted by sean_oc16:I thought the season premiere was a 2hr special? Or do they plan to show it as a two-parter? 2 hours with commercials.42 minutes times 3 = 126 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandaLUFC Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Yeah - an 84 minute episode or just a 42 minute episode? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Originally posted by pandaLUFC:Yeah - an 84 minute episode or just a 42 minute episode? tomorrow - 84 minute episode.week 2 - 42 minute episode. thus, a little over 2 hours of Lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MixitupMixitdictator Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 when though, 2moro? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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