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    FM Data Analytics: use data visualizations to review your tactics

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted · Edited by ericstpeter

    6 minutes ago, gam945 said:

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    Screenshot of a build up phase...this is the same 4-4-1-1 I've posted. It's a little skewed to the right side, but I have to accept this if I use a back four to get a back 3... also when the ball goes in to the left side, the whole block shifts to the left so there's no space left wide open.

     

    Yeah. I like it. Playing with it now as Arsenal in 2029. Defensive great so far but low scoring like you said. Tried the AM-A as a SS-A?

    I’d also be curious about lining the AMC and ST off vertically when you try the SS-A instead of offsetting them. I think it would add a little more unpredictability to the attack. Maybe the confusion leads to more goals

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    FM Data Analytics: use data visualizations to review your tactics

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    46 minutes ago, gam945 said:

    F9 & AM: Roam
    IW & W: Get Forward
    CM: Go wider/Roam
    IWB: Shoot less often
    CD: Take fewer risks/Go wider
    BPD: Ease off tackles
    FB: Take fewer risks/Sit narrower/Cross less often/Cross from deep/Hold Position

    However I'm not getting as good results as I'd wish...as I said, a lot of draws, and a big issue on scoring goals. From what I see in matches though, build up is excellent.

    Thanks. I’ve seen a lot of people try to replicate that 3-3-1-3 shape in attack and it’s never quite there. This one seems to be on point.

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    Tactical Series - Juego de Posicion (FM20/FM21)

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    1 hour ago, Flußkrebs said:

    A quick update on where my York squad have got so far this season using these JdP principles- we're sitting 6th in the table for context

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    Some brilliant results although a little blunt in attack, including a 12 match all comps undefeated run. That 424 wide you see against premier league West brom is what I've been using when I've been experimenting with a little, just off setting the striker to help with defence splitting passes on the counter

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    Using Regroup, and standard tempo and passing and offsetting the striker has, to the eye and stats test, been very successful against the big teams, especially when defending a lead. Maybe not that latest result though...

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    6 (!) clear cut chances and 15 shots on target, vs their 2 and 10. And that's with a 33 year old Harry Maguire in their backline, against my team of only Yorkshire born or raised (I'm  doing an Atletico Bilbao style save) players, with an average starting 11 age of just 21. 

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    Completely dominant in the air, the RPM and AP(A) and IW making some brilliant passes, but most of all... 10 shots on target out of 10 from my off set centre forward. 10! And not a single goal :( Their keeper got a 7.8! For context, so far this season Son Heung-Min has 10 shots on target TOTAL. So yes, finishing and some incredible keeping clearly let us down, but the underlying numbers would seem to suggest that this counter attacking tweak to the principal formation is working how it's meant to. 

    Tactically, the idea behind off-setting the centre forward was to achieve two things that either reinforce our JdP principles or strengthen us against teams looking to dominate us:

    1) Either their defence gets dragged across to their left to combat the increased overload of the AF, AP, IW, RPM and FB all operating in that area, which leaves even more space for the RMD to run into

    2) Or, they don't shift over to combat the overload, which nearly forces the AF to sit in the channel between the LB and LCB, giving him greater ability to run into space on the counter, or letting him help out the IW and RPM overload on the right.

    I have been struggling after my opening few games to get goals from any one playing in that centre forward spot- I appreciate that part of his role is to force back their defence to create space for the players behind him (which works) but we have also needed goals. Some quick maths tells me that as the Centre Forward (off set or not) before this latest West Brom game he was averaging 1.79 shots on target/90 (which IRL is pretty phenomenal btw, but FM numbers don't match real ones at all from my experience- for context in the prem this season only 5 players are averaging higher than that). And in that one game, he had 10! So if he had his finishing boots on the plan should have worked :onmehead:I wonder what his xG would have been....

    Our key team stats in the Championship after 15 games:

    Chances Created/90: 1st - 3.7 :) 

    Possession: 1st- 57% :) 

    Goals/90: 9th- 1.5 :(

    Shots on Target/90: 10th- 7.4 :( 

    Conversion rate: 9th- 10% :( 

    Pass completion: 5th- 87% :) 

    Goals Against/90: 5th- 0.93 :) 

    Tackles won/90: 15th- 23.1 :( 

    Tackles won %: 1st- 92% :) 

    Headers won %: 2nd- 65% :) 

    So the lads are defending brilliantly, although not particularly actively, we're playing some brilliant football in the way we want- keeping possession, crisp and accurate passing, but also creating some brilliant chances, not just possession for the sake of it. All good. But our shot volume and conversion are both lower than I'd like, so goals naturally are also low. I'd be happy if we were low volume but clinical, or high volume but wasteful, but instead were just bang average at both. Something to work on for sure. 

    In the league we've scored 7 goals from crosses, 5 from through balls, and 4 from set pieces, plus some others. We score 60% of our goals from the central penalty area, plus a further 23% from the 6 yard box, and only 9% from range. 

    However, we've also conceded 4 goals from through balls (sometimes easily cut open and vulnerable in the Defensive Midfield zone) and 22% of goals against us have been from outside the box! This again seems to be an issue with leaving too much space outside the area, either for a long range shot or for a nice through ball. 

    Finally, something I am happy with, is that we've converted 75% of our CCCs, but our opposition has only converted 50%. Plus we've restricted them to just 10 in 15 games, whilst we've created 25. So chance creation and (CCC) conversion is good, offensively and defensively. It seems to me that our issues are when it comes to non CCCs- we have a very low level of shot and shot conversion so we're creating little end product unless it's a 'proper' chance. 

    Have a good weekend all! 

     

    Great thread! I’d love to see what PI’s you use. (Sorry if I missed it)

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    Tactical Series - Juego de Posicion (FM20/FM21)

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    1 hour ago, Kharza_FM said:

    Nope this is an engine issue in my opinion.. CM strata STARTING position is what is wrong.. they should start high and drop IF necessary to support.  One of the key principles is breaking lines of pressure with passes... can't do that if you aren't positioned there to begin with.  Watch on full highlights and you will see the issue.

    Agreed but I also think there is some really bad logic in the engine with your defenders holding their offside position even though the ball is being played over the top.  Coaching real backline players you teach them to read if there is pressure on the ball.. if there is you hold the high line, but if there isn't pressure on the ball you drop to prevent getting beat over the top.  That behavior appears to be BETTER when you play WITHOUT offside trap.. go figure.

     

    Fullbacks are indentical in PIs - Take Fewer Risks, Cut Inside with Ball, Hold Position, Sit Narrower

    So JUST fullbacks have PI’s and that it?

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    Tactical Series - Juego de Posicion (FM20/FM21)

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    1 hour ago, 04texag said:

    I was digging around looking for something else and came across some analysis of Pep's JdP while at Bayern. Below is a picture of one of my last games, the passing combinations overlaid on the heat map. Next to it, the analysis from Pep's squad. Not identical but a lot of shape similarities. 

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    I've been focusing on the 4231, I wonder how I could translate this system using a 433(4123) with a halfback going deep and width from two wingbacks. 

    I’d love to see it!

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    Johan Cruyff's 3-4-3 Diamond (Very Fluid)

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    Posted · Edited by ericstpeter

    I've followed this post (like many) and love @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! 's stuff. I've played around with the original formation a bunch and found a new take that is really working for me. I love the Cruyff Diamond and think this really is a great representation for FM18.

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    It very much holds the Diamond and shifts nicely from a 3-6-1 type shape in defense and transition to a 3-3-4 in attack.

    PIs:

    Everyone with the exception of the middle CD is set to "Mark Tighter"

    SK S = Distributes to CD

    Off Center CD's = Fewer Risky Passes

    AM A = Move Into Channels, Hold Up Ball

    Both IF A = Stay Wider

    F9 S = Roam from Position

     

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    Johan Cruyff's 3-4-3 Diamond (Very Fluid)

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    1 hour ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:

    Great to see this still going!

    Haven't had too much game-time this year but the new match engine is opening up some new twists on old ideas..


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    The legacy lives on..
     

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    Possession, tackling and creating chances..


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    ..and putting them away! :D


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    @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Love to see you back posting! The new formation is very interesting. Care to share your TI's, PI's, Mentality, and Structure?

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