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Just now, johnhughthom said:

Of course, I forgot some older players will have attributes left unfilled. That would only really be a problem at lower levels of the game though, right?

Good point although I note someone was saying it has affected quite a lot of mature players in the Spanish leagues, apparently.  Oh, and I should have commented that the rest of your post is spot on about  the issue potentially giving human players a clear advantage over the AI in terms of squad building. 

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1 minute ago, johnhughthom said:

Look at it this way. It only affects younger players who exist when the game starts, the players who come in from youth intakes are not affected, so there is going to be a tranche of players within a 5-6 year age group who are going to be at a disadvantage compared to the rest of the players.

Now, whenever this group of player are between the ages of 25 and 31 say, they are going to be the players at their peak, but are going to have a big downside that the AI doesn't understand, so a lot of this group with be first team players. The user can get around this by using older/younger players, or by taking only the few in the age group unaffected. This is going to give the user a huge advantage in this time period.

Sorry, John, but that isn't completely true. It affects a significant proportion of older players too if you look again at the stats I posted. it is just a more extensive problem with younger players.

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5 minutes ago, pats said:

Hi Pete, could you please also check the ref discipline attribute to confirm whether the randomly generated values are either 1 or 20?

Hi, sorry but I can't access referee data.

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17 minutes ago, Trevor L. said:

I get it is a bug and has been confirmed by mods, but it is really that big of deal. If it affects your team it affects every team. So in essence everyone has a level playing field. I am going to start a long term save and see how it goes. It does not affect newgens so for me at least I should be good for long term. Cant wait till tonight after work I can really dig in and get going.

 

Trevor L.

Hi Trevor, really respect your positive reaction to the issue. Just wish I could feel the same way! it will be interesting to see how so many players at start of the game with this issue affects the balance of your game, at least in the first few seasons. Best of luck and I sincerely hope it doesn't spoil your enjoyment of it.

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55 minutes ago, PboroPete said:

 

I just wanted to point out that this is not just an issue with determination. Looking at the hidden stats using the FMSE editor, the same thing is happening with consistency and important matches attributes too.

On my new save, I have approx 35k players. Of these:

• 9.5k have a determination of 1 (9.1k 20 years of age or younger). A further 6k of players have determination of 2-3.
• 17.3k have important matches of 1 (9.6k 20 years of age or younger).
• 14.9k have consistency of 1 (9.6k 20 years of age or younger).
• 7.7k have attribute of 1 in all three categories (5.5k 20 years of age or younger).

I doubt even the most superb nurturing of young players will have any material effect on this. And, as has already been stated, it affects older players too.

Unfortunately, for me, this is game ruining at the moment and I am sadly going back to FM 19 until it is fixed. Hey ho, these things happen and I am sure SI will get this sorted asap. Shame, because the rest of the game looks to be a significant improvement.

 

 

Sorry to be the bringer of more bad news but versatility has the same problem too, with nearly 18k players affected in my save who have an attribute rating of 1. Not as critical as the other affected attributes in my opinion but just making everyone aware. I am sure SI will get this sorted, though. We just need to be patient.

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Just now, johnhughthom said:

Neil confirmed it was a bug just a few posts up, you were right.

 

Thanks. Well, there's a first time for everything .  Now, If only I could get my tactics right as well! Only been trying for 22 years!!

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2 minutes ago, johnhughthom said:

I believe consistency and important matches are supposed to start low and grow with experience, you would really need to sim a youth intake before reading anything into that.

interesting thought, John but these look wildly low to me, even taking into account developing young players. just thought it could be a similar bug to determination i.e. where a player has no rating for an attribute, it is defaulting to 1. happy to be proved wrong.

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2 hours ago, herne79 said:

The issue doesn't affect newgens

 

 

2 hours ago, waldywaldy said:

Which I appreciate, but that was not really what I meant.

I currently have a squad full of u-17 European Champions that have the determination of a cucumber.

Im not even talking 5-10, but 1's and 2's accross the board on some of the biggest talents of their generation.

I know nothing about software development at all, so I'm assuming that this is hard to fix, otherwise it would have been rectified by now. Which is a shame really

Hoping for a relatively quick patch/fix so I can dive in and really enjoy the game this year

I just wanted to point out that this is not just an issue with determination. Looking at the hidden stats using the FMSE editor, the same thing is happening with consistency and important matches attributes too.

On my new save, I have approx 35k players. Of these:

• 9.5k have a determination of 1 (9.1k 20 years of age or younger). A further 6k of players have determination of 2-3.
• 17.3k have important matches of 1 (9.6k 20 years of age or younger).
• 14.9k have consistency of 1 (9.6k 20 years of age or younger).
• 7.7k have attribute of 1 in all three categories (5.5k 20 years of age or younger).

I doubt even the most superb nurturing of young players will have any material effect on this. And, as has already been stated, it affects older players too.

Unfortunately, for me, this is game ruining at the moment and I am sadly going back to FM 19 until it is fixed. Hey ho, these things happen and I am sure SI will get this sorted asap. Shame, because the rest of the game looks to be a significant improvement.

As I mentioned elsewhere, versatility is equally affected (17k players) but there is some good news. if you start a new game with fake players, the game is fine in this respect. I just started such a game with the same leagues and number of players loaded as before and there are only 46 players with a determination attribute of 1, 19 with 1 for important matches,  5 with a consistency rating of 1 and 294 with versatility set at 1. So, if you don't mind starting with fake players, which may not be a big deal for long-term players, all is good.