Incubus1989
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I think the main issue is having both CMs on attack duty with an attacking mentality. If you lose the ball when you attack there's only 2 CBs and the keeper left.
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I'd probably go DLF(s) up to because a CF needs a lot of space. In the middle probably just a CM(s) and use PIs to get to play how you want/what suits the player.
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There's a lot of people on another thread who have tried moving the CMs to the DM strata to free up the AMC and seems to have been very successful.
On the first tactic I'm really surprised switching the DLP and CM(a) was worse! Did you ever try the DLF on attack duty?
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On the width thing, for me anyway, it's about seeing how the opposition defence sets up, if they're compact open up the width, if you can see big gaps go a bit narrower to try and get between them.
Reus will still get in to good positions on IF(s) and your LB will still bomb past him but with Sancho on attack he should also arrive late for crosses from the W(a).
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It could be that your left side is all attack and right all support means you end up a little one sided. If it were me I'd have Sancho on attack, Reus on support and AM(s) as opposed to APM but that's more a personal preference. I'm also a fan of the CMs in a 4231 to be in the DM strata. Seems to give the CAM more room.
Do you always play with wide width? I try and vary this depending on who I play.
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That 6-0 is just one game and there seems to be more that you're struggling to grind out, maybe the 6-0 was the anomaly?
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You mentioned changing LOE in game but do you ever change width to try and move defenders around more (or at least have to make a harder decision)? Change a role to give a different movement pattern (again to make the opposition have to move to counter it)? Even changing our removing the focus of play when you notice one of their players badly or space opening up.
There's loads of stuff you can do to change things up and create space which could help get an extra chance.
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After watching a lot of bustthenet videos on YouTube (which are just genius) I tried changing roles slightly in games to help with this. Create different overloads, force space to open up and getting players to exploit it.
For example switching a CM(a) to a Mezz(a) in my 4141 in certain games helped drag the opposition around more giving my other CM time and chance to pick more dangerous passes.
It can really be the subtle little tweaks when you hit a slump that make big differences rather than massive, wholesale changes.
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I didn't use them at Utd on FM19 but managed them at various times to get Gomes, Chong, Garner, Gribbin and Greenwood when playing as Salford in a flat 4141DM.
Gomes was awesome as a left sided inverted winger given a lot of freedom to do what he wanted. He ended up improving a lot
Garner was the DLP(D) and just recycled the ball all day, super consistent and became club captain.
Greenwood played as a CF(s) as well and Treq in the forward spot. He developed really well but Utd activated his buy back clause. He seemed to play better as the Treq, tended to be equal for goals and assists. Really helped the attack function.
Chong was a bit meh, could never really get him to work well for me. Gribbin played as a CM(a) and functioned as an attacking playmaker without the ball magnet role and worked pretty well but again lost him before I had chance to really go through development.
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Yeah definitely, if they push it too far to shoot they seem to cut it back instead of just smashing it at goal which is what I've been looking for for ages. Makes me want to start a new game with Atletico and try it out.
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Lemar was literally one of the players I was thinking about when I asked this question. I have a regen playing on the right (obviously right footed) and he's got 25 goals and 19 assists in 42 games which I was thrilled with. PSG sniffing around him now though which is a little inconvenient.
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Yeah, I assumed that's how it would work and wanted to get some confirmation before spending a huge transfer fee on a player. It works a treat, crosses/cut backs are way more accurate as the player tends to be closer to the centre after cutting in.
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That was the thought behind it and how it's playing out for me so far. If he's going to cross he tends to be a lot closer to goal so the crosses and cutbacks have been slightly more accurate than normal for me. Quite often he's just in a great position to get a through ball or switch from the other flank and bury it. Favourite thing I've tried for a while.
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Ah, see this is why I may be a bad manager because I ignore things like that :P
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I put my BBM on to get further forward (provided he has cover) and that's what really made mine click. Has worked well with a CM(A) and a Mezz(A) although the Mezzala is my least favourite role to use for this.
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What I've seen so far is the inside forward gets to the byline but closer to the goal (almost six yard box) and cuts it back to a striker on midfielder running from deep. Either that or works himself in to a great position to score a placed shot so keep trying it dude!
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I've literally started doing the exact same thing and it works amazingly, can't believe I haven't tried it before. Pavon does a similar thing being a winger with cuts inside from both flanks but this has been way more potent.
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I play 442 (on fm19 still) most of the time and I find I have most success with the IW and DLP next to each other with a WB(s) behind them. Then BBM and W(s) with FB(s) behind them and I'd put them on the same side as the DLF(s) so the BBM runs beyond him, W stays side and FB(s) covers. The IW and DLP can then use them as runners to drop a pass in to.
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Very good advice, thanks!
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Ah fair enough, thanks for the heads up. All the players I've looked at for it have no PPMs or at least ones I feel will work fine with it. Definitely keep an eye on that though.
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10 minutes ago, OJ said:
Your assumption is correct. I play my wide forwards mainly with their strong foot on the outside to encourage this, and by the way the mix of PPMs doesn't really matter either too much.
Why actually, if you want to play passing moves and create beautiful plays, I would encourage this, because when they have their strong foot on the outside in many cases it will allow them to have a good angle for a pass and to take it sooner, than if they had strong foot on the inside. So it can make a difference to your passing game.
Also, it doesn't take anything away from their finishing efficiency, near post finishes are just as good if not better than far post (a typical IF making a run into the box, coming in from wide and taking an angled shot from within the box), and lets say if they have "cuts inside from wing" PPM, if they're wide deep close to the goal line, they can still even with their strong foot cut in and come for a near post finish, there are plenty of angles for them to finish.
Awesome! Thanks so much for the reply. I thought that would be it, very surprised the PPMs don't play a big role though. Going to have some fun in the transfer market and seeing how this will fit in to my tactic redesign!
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Thanks for the reply! Yeah I figured the PPMs and tactics would play a big role in it. My thought had been they would cut inside, get in to the area and maybe perform more cut backs for a deep running midfielder or striker. But just don't have the time to test it today.
There's a load of regens in a current save who my scouts so play best as inside forwards but have their strongest foot as the side they play on. So was wondering if anybody has used it before
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Morning all,
Hope everyone's well. Just a quick question really. Has anyone tried using an inside forward with the stronger foot being the same as the side he's playing on (i.e. right footed playing on right hand side) and if so what did you see?
This isn't for a specific tactic or anything, just curious and don't have time to test. Thanks in advance!
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The circles don't really matter, as long as his attributes march up the role he can play it fine.
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Wide Possession Tactic
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On FM19 I used a flat 4141 with West Ham where I used wide attacking width and focus through the middle with short passing at a normal tempo as a bit of an experiment. It worked fairly well but possession % was about 50-55 if I recall correctly. So feel it can work just have to try it and tweak as you go.