Jolyon Chen

I think it's time for a disclaimer after the recent Intel admission of running all their made CPUs for the last 4 years with way too much voltage. I have a safe raptor lake cpu, but we all know most bios vendors are just all guilty for running them with all these overclocked settings. My 13900k just overclocked to 6.0 all core out of the box. But even for advanced users, Intel has gone over a line, and most people can't tinker their bios to undervolt them instead of running them with 15% less performance in Intel basic settings. I think a certain point has come here, where Intel has misled the people, and I'd just advise the new Zen 5 CPUs (99503D or 7800/79003D next month) first in the OP of @Brother Ben., and put a disclaimer up. The amount of CPUs I had to repair in the last year is idiotic.

Me too, I only bought these back up furnace CPUs to play this game maxed out with 300 leagues after checking this topic and this topic alone for over... 4 years. It's still the best on the net without breaking into same data center Admins should pin this page in all honesty.

You shouldn't decipher that from this chart. You'd need to know the vrm power phases as they influence how precisely the voltage can be "send" to the CPU (roughly said), and then, we need to know which cpu cooler everyone used too, as that then shows if the user can max out the CPU before thermal throttling, edp limit throttling, ring throttling etc etc. I mean, I'm running a 13900ks on a slightly underpowered motherboard, and when I tested that chip in a maxed out Z690 board of a friend I hit 09:30 (only requiring 288W, wth Intel) on average over 3 runs in Benchmark 4. But that friend runs a noctua and I run a 360mm AIO, so that dilutes the accuracy of the result again, and then you have people turning on ECO mode, not turning on the right energy mode and companies turning on Multicore Enhancement and posting in here, bla... bla...bla, everyone should test on stock settings, with the same systems and then we could tell. Bottom line: The fact Intel and Windows had the scheme so hard running a windows scheduler and letting AMD rely on third party implementation on per game adjustment with the Xbox Game Bar or project Lasso, should you tell that AMD is prob faster on pure CPU power, although if it would make you happy I'd happily do that maxed out mobo run and to go topping all the charts here, just to say INTEL IS KING!

Thx for this. This is great data. Windows actively tanks AMD hardware with their scheduler, so you'll be even better when they fix that... only problem could be that if there is some kind of cartel agreement, that fix to assign all the cores seamlessly for AMD won't come until Windows 12 around Christmas 2024. But I'd be happy with this CPU. I'd would not even upgrade that CPU until I tested it with W12 tbh. I do advise you to check out Project Lasso to handle that CPU better. Btw, @Brother Ben , just a quick heads up. I was running 132GB of ram in my bench. That is supported through hardware updates since 2022. I even set some aside for virtual machine, SSD and pagefile (on that VM) as well, hence the strange nr. It's not 32Gb like you listed in the spreadsheet.

FM is one of 1% of games that uses all cores past 8 in that specific scenario like Bench 4, even though the rest of the game is single threaded. The Intel and Windows thread schedulers and their poorer performance with Ryzen helps Intel in all most all other test scenarios. Whether it's intentional, I'll leave to you. Simulator games that are well coded is a very niche market (even most FM players don't ever play like benchmark 4), and everyone is way too busy nowadays, most people just go on Reddit or ask that one tech-savvy friend for a CPU, almost nobody tests things themselves for free for their specific scenario like we here do. Benchmarkers are 99% clickbait, scripted or don't benchmarks simulation games with very specific scenarios. Intel is running behind again in development and removed that voltage regulator into the bios that could make 13000s more efficient, so they couldn't push the chip further in our specific bench 4 load. Most people won't notice or need this. These reasons make Ryzen 9 better for well coded multi-core simulation games a quite unknown secret. Sources in spoilers;

@Brother Ben PS: I fixed the problem I tagged you about last week. Anyway, hope you hit 100 this year. Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: 13900KS CPU Base Frequency: 3.20 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 6.0 GHz RAM: 132GB RAM Clockspeed: 4000Mhz GPU: AMD Radeon 6900 XT Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Benchmark 1: 36 sec Benchmark 2: 1 min 09 sec Benchmark 3: 5 min 23 sec Benchmark 4: 10 min 30 Sec Stock bios settings upped the voltage like a lunatic in a new special mode called EPD for the 13900k, so disable that if you play like benchmark 4.

Benchmark 2 and 4 also crashed for me. Ran Cinebench just fine, ram also stock, updates my game drives & drivers, verified the game cache, etc etc etc etc.@Brother Ben Would you help us please?

So sad that Intel has - according to bios manufacturers - cancelled Intel Digital Linear Voltage Regulator. 20% better power management just went down the bin, and was cancelled very late into production. Now that Meteor Lake looks for desktop looks delayed to 2024 or even cancelled, a AM5 mobo would for the 3D 7000s at least looks better for FM as the temp issues will remain. I'm still buying the 13900ks as I have a z690 already, but I wouldn't advise it purely for this game anymore. If anyone wants me to benchmark the difference between a 12900ks and 12900k/13900k here, or wants me to benchmark everything before getting the 13900ks, let me know.

Multiple people already gave you the answer. 1. You'd gain 30 sec per week in FM, at most. You don't use the pc really enough to notice the PCI, nvme or usb upgrade. 2. You don't have to do it for better ram speeds in this game, as this game doesn't care about that. 3. Davinchi resolve is gpu-intensive. It doesn't care that much about your cpu. So. If you earn your money with Davinchi, I'd just upgrade the MB, CPU and actually, most importantly, a much better GPU if you do earn money with editing. Otherwise, If you wanna gain as much with just a cpu upgrade, go to the cpu support page of your bios manufacturer and check the best supported bios (I guess the 5950x). The data would advise you btw to update to a 5800x3d (if you play other games) or 5900. Conclusion, I wouldn't pay $400 for a cpu upgrade to gain 30 sec in a game if I don't play other games or need it for work.