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On 20/12/2023 at 17:04, Vakama2619 said:
I'm also curious what sort of research you've put into this, it would've definitely taken a lot of time, also why did you want to remove the A-League completely when not every AL club was formed specifically to compete in the AL?
Just thought it would be interesting, wouldn't be a lot of need for any of those clubs if there was other clubs (especially non-ethnic ones) entrenched in those cities.
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On 20/12/2023 at 13:26, Vakama2619 said:
I'm actually quite keen on this, are Coalstars the only Ipswich based team here?
In the top 3 leagues, yeah. I had considered a couple but settled on just the one.
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On 20/12/2023 at 17:09, Vakama2619 said:
Couldn't help but noticed that a Queensland team has found its way into the NSW/ACT comp
I'll have to have a look into this, it didn't happen in any of my testing - possibly I've got the wrong region set for them.
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What if, in 1858, when searching for a football game to keep cricketers fit in winter, Tom Wills adopted the Cambridge Rules, and in turn in 1863 the Victorian Football Association adopted the Football Association laws, rather than creating their own rules? Association Football takes off in the Australian colonies, never to look back....
This is the story (& database) of an Australian Football alternate history.
Association Football quickly gains a stronghold in Victoria and spreads around the rest of the continent, it becomes the primary football code in every colony. Rugby is played in the limited upper classes, especially NSW & Queensland, however football is the game of the common man - and as a result Rugby League never hits Australia with any meaningful cut through.
By 1901 there had been many inter-colonial matches but nothing consistently organised - that all changes with Federation and the introduction of the Federation Cup to crown the Champions of Australia - this becomes the primary national competition, albeit a cup, through to 1961 with clubs confined to league football in their own states.
In 1961 a national league is finally formed (Australian Premier League), a second division added in 1999 (National League 1) and a third in 2016 (National League 2). The Federation Cup continues to run as the primary nation-wide cup tournament with the semi finals and final played on consecutive weekends at the start of December to end the club season; and each state continues to run their own State Championships (Feb-Mar) prior to the National league seasons beginning (Apr-Nov).
So, who are the teams currently in the national leagues, and what are their stories?
Victoria
The Melbourne Football Club was founded in the weeks after the cricketers started playing football in 1858, and over the next two decades the Geelong(1859), Bendigo(1861), Warrnambool(1861), Carlton(1864), St Kilda(1873), South Melbourne(1874), Port Melbourne(1874), Hotham(1877) & Footscray(1877) clubs were formed. This was followed by North Ballarat in 1882, and Collingwood in 1892.
These clubs remained at the forefront of Victorian football through to the end of WW2 with very little change - aside from Hotham changing their name to Hotham Thistle in 1908 to acknowledge the Scottish influence in their playing ranks.The aftermath of WW2 changed things quite dramatically with a huge influx of migrants from Europe - all who loved football and quickly adopted the local clubs as their own. The Italians in the northern suburbs found Carlton & Collingwood (with the later adding Juventus to their name when the Italian community bailed them out of financial difficulties in the 80’s), the Greeks found South Melbourne (adding Hellas to their name in homage), the Czeckoslovakians found Port Melbourne (adding Slavia) and the Serbians found Footscray (adding JUST).
In addition - the Croatians formed their own club in Sunshine - Sunshine Croatia; and the Hungarians founded Melbourne Hungaria who moved all over the city before settling in Wyndham in 2010 and becoming West Melbourne Hungaria. Like Hungaria, St Kilda struggled to maintain a stable home ground and in 2003 moved to a new facility in Casey, & stadium in Dandenong, to become the South East Saints.
New South Wales
The Sydney “Original Big 3” were all founded in the 1880’s. Wanderers in Parramatta in 1880, Pyrmont Rangers in 1884 & Caledonians in Moore Park in 1885. Separately two clubs - Newcastle Rosebud (1889) & Wallsend (1887) - were formed in the Newcastle area. These 5 clubs dominated NSW football before & through the World Wars. Canterbury-Bankstown (1886), St George (1920) and Sutherland (1936) were all founded during this period also.Like Victoria, the aftermath of WW2 dramatically changed the landscape - however NSW saw migrants mainly create their own clubs rather than supporting the incumbents (the exception being the Hungarian community & St George) - Hakoah Sydney (Jewish - 1939), Sydney United (Croatian - 1956), Sydney Olympic (Greek - 1958) and Marconi (Italian - 1960) are the examples of this.
In 1966, Canterbury-Bankstown moved to Penrith and became the West Sydney Berries, and, after years of being nomadic, the Pyrmont Rangers became simply Rangers AFC and moved to Campbelltown in 1983. Sydney Olympic capitalised on the actual Olympics in 2000 and moved to the Olympic Stadium in 2001 - immediately doubling their attendances. Other clubs include Wollongong Wolves (1980) and Central Coast United (2017).
Queensland
Football in Queensland took off in both Brisbane & Ipswich. In Brisbane the Queen’s Park team was formed in 1884, and the Pineapple Rovers in 1888; whilst in Ipswich the Coalstars were formed in 1888. These three clubs dominated through to the World Wars until Brisbane Azzuri (1952) and Brisbane Hollandia (1957) were founded.In recent years, national league teams on the Gold Coast (2009), Sunshine Coast (2008), in Townsville (2009) and in Cairns (2017) have been founded.
South Australia
Organised football in South Australia was slower off the mark with the first state championship not held until 1903 - Port Adelaide (1870) and Hindmarsh (1904) dominated, winning every championship until 1944. Adelaide City were formed by the Italian community in 1946 and have developed to be seen in stature alongside Port and Hindmarsh. Other clubs are the Polish-backed Polonia Adelaide (1950), the Greek-backed West Adelaide (1962) and the Britannia Football Club which was formed in 1956 by the influx of British immigrants in the Northern Suburbs on the 10-pound-pom program.Western Australia
There was no dominant team in early WA football with a lot of teams now being defunct. Fremantle Corinthians were formed in 1900 and are the earliest team still in existence. This changed in 1912 with the formation of Northern Casuals and 1926 with the formation of Victoria Park - these two clubs now have one of the fiercest rivalries in the country and are at the forefront of WA football. Other clubs include Subiaco AFC (1909), Floreat Athena (1951) and East Fremantle Tricoloure (1953).Tasmania
Tasmania has two clubs in the national leagues - the Cricketers Football Club founded in 1874 who have won 62 state championships, and their great rivals South Hobart (1910). Cricketers have won 3 Federation Cups, with their most recent in 1947.ACT & NT
The territories have two teams in national competitions - neither have won anything of note. The Darwin Cubs that were founded in 1995, and Canberra United who were founded in 1977.
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League Summary
Australian Premier League - 18 teams (3 relegated)
Australian National League 1 - 18 teams (2 auto promoted, 3-6 into playoff/3 relegated)
Australian National League 2 - 18 teams (2 auto promoted, 3-6 into playoff/4 relegated)
Regional Premier Leagues (4 leagues - NSW/ACT, VIC/TAS, QLD/NT, WA/SA) (1 promoted from each, 2 relegated from each)
Federation Cup - approx 450 teams, knock out tournamentVictorian State Championship - 20 teams, 4 groups of 5 into 8 team knockout
NSW State Championship - 30 teams, 6 groups of 5 into 8 team knockout
Queensland State Championship - 20 teams, 4 groups of 5 into 8 team knockout
SA State Championship - 12 teams, 2 groups of 6 into 4 team knockout
WA State Championship - 12 teams, 2 groups of 6 into 4 team knockout
Tasmania State Championship - 8 teams, 2 groups of 4 into 2 team knockout
Territories Cup (ACT/NT) - 8 teams, 2 groups of 4 into 2 team knockout
Use "Early 2023 Pre-Season" as your start date to ensure you get to play full state championship in first season.______________________________________________________________________________________________________
I hope you enjoy, it's been really fun to make. I have updated a lot of players histories and attempted to remove all reference to current A-League clubs and histories however so remnants remain - I hope you can look past this
Have made graphics etc and will look to upload these elsewhere.
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Have finally updated this now that I have my new computer - link is still valid in opening post
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On 17/04/2023 at 09:47, Suso30 said:
Hi @musha_13
Love the concept but the finances don't seem like they will be long term a feasible approach. Predicted to lose money every single year and quickly end up in the red with WSR.
Yep, I think I'll have to do some tweaking. Just waiting on a new laptop to arrive and I'll be making some tweaks :)
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Link updated - have updated some 2nd div squads and contracts.
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4 hours ago, Maverik1828 said:
hey tried downloading this but when i click on the link it says
You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action.
Should work now, otherwise try here.
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AUSTRALIAN SOKKAH: AN ALTERNATE HISTORY
What if the Socceroos qualified for the World Cup in 1998 and the NSL never disbanded? What if Australia never left Oceania?
Well, this fantastic book has been written with an alternate history of the game in Australia - https://www.fairplaypublishing.com.au/products/the-yawning-giant-a-sliding-doors-football-tale.
Taking inspiration from the book I have created an Alternate Soccer Timeline for Australia - one where Danny Townsend can't sell the Grand Final from under the fans and one that seemingly has a brighter future.
I'd suggest you buy and read the book for greater context - but even if you don't, I hope the database provides lots of fun.
What's included -
• National Soccer League with 16 teams
• National Second Division with 14 teams
• National Youth League (u20)
• Promotion and Relegation
• Australia Cup
• Revamped Oceania Champions League
• Australia in Oceania comps - not Asia
• History update for players, clubs and comps to reflect all the above (should be little to no trace of the A-League clubs that "never existed" in this timeline)
• Stadium Updates to reflect the alternate history
• Logos & Kits (highly recommend to use so everything in game looks right - I've over-written some A-League clubs so their licenced logos/kits will show without applying these).
I encourage any feedback - good or bad
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9 hours ago, Crazy_Ivan said:
Thanks so much. I took a stab at making this myself but was horribly out of my depth so this is brilliant.
Hope it's OK. I'm enjoying it, with nothing major out of place so far as far as I can tell! Making Scotland a bit more enjoyable.
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We've just gone into another lockdown in Melbourne so I thought I'd use my time to create an alternate Scottish system - after a while the normal structure gets a bit boring (playing each team 4 times, only one relegation etc.) so.........
I present Scotland Reimagined!
Premiership (16 teams - 3 relegated)
Championship (16 teams - 2 auto promoted plus 1 through playoffs, 3 relegated)
League 1 (16 teams - 2 auto promoted plus 1 through playoffs, 4 relegated)
Highland/Lowland League (16 teams in each - 2 auto promoted plus 2 through playoffs)
* Every team plays each other twice, so 30 league games.
* Start in September after League Cup group stageScottish Cup (100 clubs)
* pretty much as per currentLeague Cup (80 teams)
* all 80 teams in structure entered
* initial phase is 16 groups of 5 teams who play home and away (this helps make up for less league games)
* group stage runs from mid July to end of August
* top 2 in each group qualify for knockouts (32 teams)Challenge Cup (64 teams)
* every team in structure outside Premiership - no youth teams like real life
* Simple knockoutOther Notes
* I've tried to add realistic tv money and prizemoney
* Games moved for TV added as well
* League games require at least two u/23 in matchday squad
* Simple reserve and u/18 league added
* Scottish Cup and Playoffs end mid May
* Season update day remains June 10All tested and working well.
Hope you enjoy it!
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On 12/12/2020 at 23:57, Supermercado99 said:
I know it's not organic but if move a player to an A-League team via the in-game editor from January-May and odds are they'll be immediately released. Seems like there's something missing in the transfer logic where they try to buy players that they aren't allowed to have. I'm still finding off-season (Australian summer) transfers are ok.
This has been an issue for a few versions - AI clubs sign too many players (or too many internationals) and only realise after they have signed that they can't register them, hence the immediate release.
Possibly removing the auto release when someone doesn't make the registered squad might be better than we have now?
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On 01/12/2020 at 03:48, Ed Hewison said:
That seems very harsh. We're already looking at why that is happening at a couple of clubs in game. I'll add Hearts in, to be reviewed.
In case this is happening for anyone else managing Hearts, we have it on our radar to prevent occurring in the future.
I had same issue. I haven't been sacked in my game (yet lol) but noticed that board expected us to win a domestic cup but only expected us to reach the QF in Scottish Cup and League Cup so very contradictory as they are the only two cups in season 1. Thanks for looking into it.
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11 hours ago, NickmarJr said:
I am managing Hearts and have the correct kits. You sure you don't have a kit pack from last season ?
Agree with you about Michael Smith, could also make a case about LB as well.
The picture of the kit is correct, however the colour with the writing where it says "Third" in your picture is not. Should be black background with Maroon writing (not navy/pink).
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Thanks Kyle. Will try.
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Happening like others on here - thought you'd like more examples.
Summary: The game crashes as soon as you leave the match area to go back to inbox
Description of Issue: The game crashes as soon as you click continue once your match is finished and you've done your team talk.
Steps to Reproduce: Play match, give team talk, click continue and get error message. Happened twice - in both cases it was the 2nd match I played after loading the save.
Files Uploaded to the OwnCloud:
- FM 2020 v20.2.0.1323779 (2019.12.06 20.53.12).dmp
- FM 2020 v20.2.0.1323779 (2019.12.06 21.23.42).dmp
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Nick Garner - Hearts.fm (this one was saving as it crashed - after I got the error it gave me a couple of seconds before the actual crash)
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Have made graphics etc and will look to upload these elsewhere.
[FM24] Australia Alternate Reality - Fantasy, New Clubs, Divisions, Cups etc
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Thanks mate.