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You are sure. I came here to question Casemiro, Varane, having a mediocre attribute, players with 5 CL, 1 WC (Varane), and who play at the highest level in recent years. I am wrong. But players like VVD, who are completely overrated and have pathetic quality. Or Salah, who has a mediocre goal average in the PL in recent years, both being classified as WC(90 Overral). But yes, your argument is correct, MBAPPE in a single good season, turned Overrall 100. Playing in the Farm League. The Wrong one is me, who pays $60 every year to have a game based on Marketing and not on real attributes. If you think that's how it should be, why doesn't SEGA make a Football Manager Ultimate and stop selling a new game every year? That way, they can draw on previous years instead of just the respective season. Correct? And even if it were true, Casemiro and Varane, experienced players with many titles, would be Overrall 90, not 81. That's why I say, there is no methodology. But fanboys will defend. And do you know which team I play for? Minor league teams. I like Ajax. I like Borussia, or West Ham, Everton, I like teams that I can turn into great teams. I cited only crude examples of how poorly balanced the game is. I make AJAX beat PSG and Liverpool who are 100% Marketing. And every campaign I do, Liverpool and Chelsea are winning the PL. It's really funny because this is far from reality. But according to you, this is correct. Or PSG, always winning CL. That's their dream, maybe in the multiverse called FM, it will happen.

This is wrong? Do they not have these attributes? Is this website lying? Funny that I opened FM23 here on my PC, and everything is fine. And I'm not a FIFA player, I think that sucks. I've always played FM in all versions, but with each passing year the game has become more Marketing, and less reality. This is sad. https://fminside.net/players Mohamed Salah - Football Manager 2023 - FM23 - FM2023 (fminside.net)

You are saying that the game bases the attributes according to the last seasons. OK. As I said, Varane gained 5 CL, and is at the peak of his career. So what's your point in saying that Varane has a worse Overrall than VVD? Varane = 81 VVD = 89 VVD won only 1 CL and 1 PL. How many titles does Varane have as captain of the French national team and one of the best players at Real Madrid? Same for Casemiro, how can you tell me he has an Overrall of 81? Is this serious? He has the same titles as Varane, playing at high yields for the last 10 years. Always constant, with an average score of 7-8/10. All of his individual attributes for the proper position are good, which makes him one of the best DMs around today. And he's only considered 81. It seems your methodology only works when it suits them. I'm not analyzing an isolated attribute, I'm analyzing all the attributes, and this is precisely my question. I'm asking what methodology you chose to rank VVD and Salah as 90, Varane and Casemiro as 81 and Rashford as 79. Thanks. I came here to discover the methodology, and I realized that it doesn't exist. It's called Marketing. If he's a player signed by Nike, Adidas, or a team that pays SEGA, he's going to be a good team, and a good player. I will Edit players using stats from serious sites according to the respective season. Want to compare Mbappé's attributes in the Farm League with Alvarez in the PL? The attributes must have weight and measures according to each competition. Scoring 40 goals in Farm League is much easier than scoring 15 goals in Premier League. I will look for strikers who have scored more than 1000 goals in the Arab and South American leagues and we will rank them as 100 in Overrall like Mbappe. That's your point, that's your methodology. Mbappe stood out in the WC, and is one of the best players TODAY. He is one of the top scorers in the CURRENT CL. But he hasn't scored many goals in previous CLs. You rank him as the best player today. Again fleeing 100% of the arguments spoken by you. "We are not going to look at the player just for one season." There, you've just used your argument against yourself. Varane, Casemiro, with 10 seasons being WC players in their positions. it's 81. Mbappe, who plays in the weakest league there is, but in recent years has failed to make a name for himself in the CL. It's 100 for Overrall because he played well ONE season. VVD, which has a mediocre season. He is an overrated player in recent years in relation to all CBs, in individual and collective statistics. He is 90 Overall, just like Salah. Sign a contract with Nike, Adidas, or pay SEGA, and voila, be a good player and good team. FM23 = Football Marketing 2023

Kimmich = 89 Rodri = 88 THIAGO = 84 (Really?) Kanté = 84 Gundogan = 83 Casemiro = 82 ... Fabinho = 79 so no, he's not the second best DM in the game, those are attributes taken from the current version, do your research properly. I'm looking at the general attributes and the Overall. And I'm not talking specifically about Casemiro, but showing that the methodology is flawed. I talked about Fabinho and Thiago, do you think Thiago's attributes should be better than Casemiro's? If you think so, I don't even have anything else to discuss. Surely the game is called FM23 and not FM in recent years. In 2023, VVD is not consistent and is no longer a player that has proven WC in recent years. And even if you want to take that into account, do you really think VVD is better than Varane? Prove to me in numbers that VVD is better than Varane. I'm not saying that VVD is bad, I never said that, but look at his Overrall compared to the other CB's in the game. What makes him an 89 overall? Show me the methodology, please. VVD = 89 Rubens Dias = 87 Laporte = 84 Silva = 84 Rudiger = 83 Marquinhos = 82 Araujo = 82 Varane = 81 To be a good player you have to play for Liverpool. I understood now. Salah = 90 Overrall / Finishing = 17 temp / Goals / Goals per Game 17/18 = 32 / 0,89 18/19 = 22 / 0,58 19/20 = 19 / 0,56 20/21 = 22 / 0,59 21/22 = 23 / 0,66 22/23 = 9 / 0,33 Ok. You are absolutely right, I cannot question that the game I bought in 23 is doing the wrong attributes. You are absolutely correct. Salah in 2023, who is averaging 0.33 goals per game, really needs to have an Overrall of 90. Rashford = 79 Overrall / Finishing = 14 temp / Goals / Goals per Game 22/23 / 14 / 0,58 Before the WC, he played 19 games, and only scored 8 goals and 3 assists. After the WC he played 20 games, scored 17 goals and 4 assists. Nunez = 77 Overrall / Finishing = 15 temp / Goals / Goals per Game 22/23 / 6 / 0,33 Gakpo = 77 Overrall / Finishing = 13 temp / Goals / Goals per Game 007 ( 0 assist / 0 goals / 7 games) My criticism is just wanting it to be a game based on real attributes, not marketing. Unfortunately the game is based on marketing and not on real attributes. I've shown Salah's stats for the last few years, and he's still at 90 on Overrall. So what is your argument now?

I think you didn't have an interpretation with everything i wrote, because I'm talking to FM to bring methodology, and methodology is not just based on a single season, but on attributes/consistency. However, FM is about the season, so if I have to buy a new game every year, for a new season, I want to see that player's attributes for that season. The VVD I'm talking about him, I don't care about his attributes in 2018, but yes, in 2023, that's the game I bought now. 2018 became 2018 on FM18. Right? Now that I've explained it to you, you really want to compare the attributes of a CB that won 5 CL, and 1 WC, with a CB that didn't win any WC, playing poorly in the two that participated. It's in terrible shape, and you're telling me that VVD is better than Varane? Serious? One player is pure Marketing, the other has attributes to be one of the best in the world. I can name 10 CBs that are better than VVD. Same for Casemiro, how come he has worse attributes than Fabinho and Thiago from Liverpool? He has an overall 80/100. It is serious? Liverpool, which is the team I'm attacking, is the team that has the best squad in FM23. So that's my accusation of 100% wrong attributes. And I'm feeling what the methodology is for these completely flawed attributes. FM has been updated recently according to the latest data. What data was it that made Liverpool continue with the best time in the world at FM23? A team that is in the middle of the table, that has more goals conceded than more than half of the PL teams, but has the Best CB in the world according to FM, and all players have an average of 80-90. ROFL While United, which I cited as a counterpart, is 10x better than Liverpool this season in absolutely everything. It has attributes 70-80. ROFL And I 100% disagree with you that Newcastle will have a bad season next year. Newcastle is a moment that will be TOP of the PL in the coming years. You forget that they were bought by the Saudi family, and unlike PSG, they are not investing in Marketing, but in a solid base with good players. Their project is fantastic and I'm glad it's working. This is where your thinking differs from mine. PSG, with media players, being one of the best in the world in a Farm League and all CL losing in a rout. Sometimes with consistent projects, having mediocre players on FM for not having Marketing. Please note that I am using the example of 3 teams, such as Liverpool, United and Newcastle, as the post has already become large. If I had to present evidence of players and teams being both overrated and underrated, the post would be bible.

Let me get this straight, do you want him to show why Casemiro is a better player than the current one on FM23? I want to know what is the methodology used to make him so bad. https://www.sofascore.com/team/football/manchester-united/35 I paid $60 on a game that I need to research on player attributes? This site has some attributes based on methodology, not media players. Casemiro has 5 Champions League, he won the best CDM of 2023. He has always averaged 7-8/10 in all games, he is a completely constant player. Look at Casemiro stats for the current season in real life, United won 75% of the games they played and won just 30% of the games they didn't play. He was definitely the most positive signing of this season. Most underrated and unmarketing player. Now you're telling me that Fabinho and Thiago from Liverpool have the same attributes as Casemiro? That's right? ROFL How can Liverpool and Chelsea, teams that are in the middle of the table, have players with better attributes than Newcastle, Spurs, Arsenal and United, teams are fighting for the title, and go to the CL? Newcastle have the lowest number of goals conceded this season. But VVD, who has made endless mistakes this season, is the best CB in the game. Really? Varane won 5 CL, won 1 WC, he is 28 years old at the height of his career, in a team that is disputing the title and with few goals conceded, he played in the final of the current WC. And it has worse attributes than VVD(30 yo / end of career) that has only 1 CL, played a pathetic WC, and is in the middle of the table, conceded 5 goals from Real Madrid. I'm not a United fan, I'm just citing that the game I bought is completely wrong in terms of player attributes. It has no methodology. Teams like Berlin, Napoli, completely weak. Arsenal in first place in the PL, strongest league in the world, and pathetic team next to Chelsea and Liverpool. In every season I play, the teams fighting for the title are Liverpool and Chelsea, which is a complete lie compared to real life. So instead of asking anyone who paid $60 for the game for a link, do your homework properly.