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43 minutes ago, Passion4FM said:
I have been following this thread since the main data update and there are so many things that goes on that I am very surprised hearing about both .
1. SI has always been telling us they talk to scouts (and other people within pro football clubs) to make the game more realistic!
So you would think they have a good understanding of how scouts look for players.
using player's interest as a way to filter away recommendations as they don't bother to file reports until they hits a certain age is beyond ludacris. Here they are trying to tell us how we shall play the game and limit our freedom to play it how we want.
I would hardly believe a scout go to the sgent or player to ask about whether they want to join the team before they start scouting him...
2. What it looks like for me, right now, is that the game doesn't take into account a scouts past experience, his reputation and all his prior knowledge he has gained from years of building an extensive knowledge in a country.
It doesn't even take into account the reputation of players under 18 and their ambitions to perhaps play for a bigger club.
It is not unlikely that top clubs pick up players under the age of 18...or perhaps newsflash - know about the best Wonderkids already from they are 14! So it's highly unrealistic and unreasonable that my top scout won't even consider scouting the best Wonderkids in the game.
3. then they talked about workload of scouts and the likelihood to get fewer reports..but isn't region scouting increasing a scouts workload. it will be harder to travel between x different nations in a year and visit matches. Would it not be better for the scout to visit two neighbouring countries and watch matches that are of higher profile that fits the club?
In this regard it seems to me that the game plays down the fact the number of scouts travelling the world and that they are often selecting to watch/scout 'the wrong players'.
4. they talk about limiting our abilities to purchase these wonderkids ..but why did they remove the previous scouting knowledge levels? previously you had to scout a player multiple times to unlock new information. why couldn't they kept that but made the final hurdle to get extensive knowledge from perhaps 1 month to e.g 2-3 months depending on where in the world he is and his reputation.
then, on the other hand i don't feel it's the scouts job to filter reports. here i feel it's the job of the director of football or whoever in charge of ongoing transfer to see what possibilities there are in the world.
If you think about how long processes are to get a player to pick between clubs in RL , I wish there where more focus on trying to get his attention by promises and facilities and reputation rather than a strict rule that says a player is most likely not wanting to join your club so he won't be known about until much later as you progress in the save
5. finally, what I don't understand if scouts really look only for players that can improve the team .. why did they scout players in the 3.div of Argentina when you are playing as Barcelona?
it's who they prioritize scouting that beats me
@Zachary Whyte said nothing had been changed from release to 24.2 in terms of how scouting works... this makes me even more confused as I felt there where two completely different worlds between beta and 24.2.
If a club with 5 scouts can find as many players as a club with 20 scouts then that's just unrealistic. Those 5 scouts would have limited resources and time available to create as many reports..
Sorry for the long post but lots of frustration that i want to vent out
I think a lot of us have been overly polite and ingratiating in the hope that we would be taken seriously. However, @Zachary Whytehas just been insulting our intelligence and gaslighting the community into believing we're doing something wrong. I just asked my 20/20 scouts to watch every game of the U19 European championship. I have 35 scouts and all were unassigned. I constantly receive "assignment completed" messages from my Chief Scout and received zero reports. Manually scouting each player in the relevant U19 squads led to numerous 5 star (initial) potential players. That is insane. How can some of the best scouts in the game watch the best young players in Europe throughout a tournament and file zero reports and have zero knowledge of the players.
Scouting is broken, it's clear. Instead of insulting our intelligence SI should tell us that we've paid our money and we should wait to do so again with FM25 and hope that it works then.
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46 minutes ago, DavutOzkan said:
Says he has no interest right now.
So this completely contradicts the official explanation. This company, which has grown massively since they were the makers of the game I played in the 90s and has a corporation of Sega's resources behind them, really needs to communicate better.
I appreciate @Zachary Whyteengaging with the community, but some of the communication is really diminishing their credibility. First it's the customers fault, then it's working as intended, and now we have clear evidence that it is not working as the customers would like it to work, logically think it should work, or even how the developers allegedly intend it to work.
At this point a clear, unambiguous statement from Zachary that this is the game we've been given and no further work will be done on this aspect of it, would probably be for the best. Otherwise SI is wasting the time and effort of community members who are uploading save games, posting screenshots, and in good faith trying to understand how this aspect of the game works.
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9 minutes ago, Undy said:
Thanks for the detailed explanation. The sentence "Given you are Arsenal that's basically a player of the same standard as someone like Emile Smith-Rowe or Eddie Nketiah that is interested/available to move" is interesting. Can you confirm please whether interest / availability affects the binary factor of whether or not a player appears in the focus at all rather than the recommendation grade the scout gives them? This may point towards why some people think scouting is "broken" when it is working per SI's expectations. If this is the case, it effectively excludes non-domestic U18 players appearing in recruitment focuses, which would be against the expectations of many FM players. I have never had a single non-domestic U18 player appear in a scouting focus even with min CA/PA set to half a silver star.
It would also be useful to get just the slightest peek at how this works under the hood - is player interest already "known" to the scouts even at zero player knowledge, therefore they will not begin to produce reports, or will they get up to a certain low-percentages knowledge to determine interest before abandoning the player?
This is what makes little to no sense. If your Brazil scout come across the next Pele, he'll watch him play, note the once in a century level of ability and potential, but because the player is 16, he won't file a scout report because for some reason all your scouts are walking around knowing that 16 year olds, no matter where they are have no interest in joining a world class club with world class facilities and for a signing on fee which would potentially lift generations of his family out of poverty.
If this is truly what SI intended, how the scouting system is meant to work, they've simultaneously destroyed a big aspect of roleplaying, game enjoyment, and realism. If this is the case, then the bigger thing to do would be admit that a big mistake was made, tweaks are not necessary, and the system will be rolled backed to whenever it last made sense.
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On 27/02/2024 at 13:18, Zachary Whyte said:
Hi @TheHuss
I would recommend changing your save settings. Using Auto Saves and having a New File for Every Auto Save would be ideal for catching this.
If you see a player suddenly change you can send us a previous/earlier Auto Save.
Hi, I've uploaded four saves. 21st Jan Scalvini is the position he is supposed to be (-Man UFC Newgen Scalvini no change.fm) Trained and played as Anchor Defend. 28 Jan Scalvini is accomplished at LB (- Man UFC Scalvini changed 28.01.fm).
Feb 18, Marc Bernal has correct position ( - Man UFC Bernal No change 18.02.fm). Feb 28, no change to training and not played in his new position, yet suddenly accomplished at CB (- Man UFC Bernal Change 28.02.fm).
Granted, these examples aren't as drastic as my Newgen ST going from no ability as a CB to accomplished seemingly overnight, but it seems clear that something is happening without my input and it doesn't seem as if this is what should be happening.
Hope the save files work and I can turn off weekly separate autosaves
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It's not that simple to do as there's no notification nor logic that I can discern with regards to when it happens. I've just had it happen to a new player who went from no ability at CB to accomplished without any intermediate steps. He was only a ST before that and of course his attributes have crashed across the board.
Could you provide some instructions as to how we can get a save game from just before this random event occurs?
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Has this been addressed? I have scoured the player statistics for a player who obtained a 6.4 in a game in which he seemingly did nothing wrong. How is a manager supposed to make changes when they can't identify what's going wrong by stats or in the match engine?
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Has anything been done with regards to this? My highest assisters whose creativity is better than almost everyone else in the league apparently play very few progressive passes per game. What exactly is the match engine's definition of a progressive pass?
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Absolutely no reason for my ST(C) to have been training as a CB. I've definitely not changed him to this nor does his training show that he's been training as anything other than a ST(C)
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5 minutes ago, wazzaflow10 said:
My hope is that this isn't a workaround to prevent people from scooping up wonderkids before the AI can sign them. I don't think they'd do that but it's crossed my mind.
This is what really annoys me about SI. If they communicated clearly that this is bugged and they are working on it, then there would be no need to speculate. However, SI has attempted to first blame players for using the incorrect scouting parameters, then much later acknowledged that they are looking into it, and while neither confirming or denying that it is bugged (in my opinion it is hugely bugged) stated that some changes may be implemented at some time when the next planned update is ready.
This is not okay. Of course they should have a planned roll-out of updates, but when something so central to many players' enjoyment of the game isn't working, the developers have to adapt.
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Any update? It's messing up my players' attributes and because of the extra CA needed to play different positions. Nothing that I am actively doing is telling these players to retrain and I'm not playing them in their new positions. One day they have no ability in a position, the next they're accomplished.
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On 06/12/2023 at 19:19, Zachary Whyte said:
Thank you for the very detailed information.
We are looking into this currently.
Any update on this? It really detracts from the enjoyment when you cannot influence something as fundamental as this. It impacts so many areas. Along with the massive scouting bug, it seems like things are taking longer to fix than in many previous generations, and although I'm still enjoying my save, it really shouldn't be in spite of major bugs this far into the game cycle.
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This seems to still be happening. I can't remove fatigue no matter how many rest days I give my players
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I've noticed this, but why should it make a difference? The selling team gets the money six months earlier in this scenario so there should definitely be no reason for them to reject these terms.
Thanks for the reply
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This really needs some further communication from SI. It seems that A. This doesn't affect all players. B For those of us who are affected by this issue it really ruins a major aspect of the game. I personally enjoy an interesting looking scout report amongst many, taking a look and deciding it requires further scouting, taking my time to get a number of scouts opinions, and then hopefully signing an unknown newgen gem. This is nigh on impossible at present.
If we as a community take our time to log these bugs, upload save files and screenshots, provide as detailed information as possible, SI should reciprocate with relevant updates. "It's your search parameters" and then silence isn't fair for such a major issue and one that is being constructively documented by the community.
Just my two cents...
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On 11/01/2024 at 17:57, Zachary Whyte said:
Hello everyone, to give an update on this, we have this under review, but are seeing that quite a lot of your focuses are pretty narrow.
What we can suggest is that when creating a recruitment focuses make sure it is quite broad and don't overwork your scouts if you want to maximise the number of results they receive.
Hi, just to clarify, does this mean you have been able to replicate the problem in other saves? It's very worrying that the advice seems to insinuate that players are doing something incorrectly when it seems scouting assignments are broken, and not in the usual hyperbolic fm complaints sense.
I'm sure we would all appreciate an update that "under review" means actively looking at what code is functioning incorrectly, and not "deciding that players are doing something wrong".
Thank you
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I keep on getting the same players recommended by scouts who have totally different knowledge and background. Also getting reports on Bundesliga players in my Chief Scout created "Colombia" search. For some people scouting is truly broken, so I agree with Nick, this isn't anything we as the players are doing.
With regards to the point about overworking your scouts, I have David Trezeguet as Chief Scout, allowing him to set all focuses, yet most of my world class scouts are constantly sitting around doing nothing.
This really should be a priority bug to fix. It makes it a little difficult to trust the integrity of other behind the scenes processes if something as fundamental as scouting isn't functioning correctly.
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I don't know if this belongs in the same issue, but I have just signed five new scouts, best possible attributes, totally different nationalities, scouting knowledge, little to nothing in common other than attributes. When I ask them to recommend a player they all recommend the exact same player who keeps on coming up in my recommendations even though he's not a once in a lifetime player.
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Has any solution to this been offered? It's really annoying being unable to read the set-pieces induction
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Scouting (Recruitment focuses) doesn't work
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It's not the only problem. The mad/maddening thing is that it seems to change randomly in my single save game. The problem you mention is constant, but there are also issues with scouts filing no reports from elite youth tournaments or assignments for areas that they are perfectly suited to scout and should recommend at least a dozen clearly world class potential players.