Popular Post Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Posted May 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) Hello, and welcome to - what is very likely to be - my last tactics thread for the Football Manager community. I am still very much enjoying Football Manager 2018 which means I am a few versions behind and left me in two-minds about whether to post this. A combination of wanting to say thank you and farewell to those who have contributed, pay tribute to my most enjoyable ever save and share a tactical system which I hope others may enjoy inspired me to give it a shot; so here goes. Enjoy! Coming Full Circle.. It seems very fitting to finish this journey with Total Football having started out by exploring the famous 3-4-3 diamond formation, inspired by the sad passing of Johan Cruyff and a lifelong passion for the football these sides played. Over the course of this journey we have explored wonderful sides such as Arrigo Sacchi's Milan, Arsene Wenger's 'Invincible' Arsenal, Pep Guardiola's Barcelona and Marcelo Bielsa's Tactical Philosophy; each playing various styles of creative, expansive football with varying degrees of influence from the Dutch school of Total Football. There is a nice symmetry that in creating each of these I have learned something new; which I have gone on to apply to this team. Resources Possibly more has been written about the Total Football philosophy than just about any other aspect of football tactics; much with the typical hyperbole and lack of substance which accompanies the world of high-volume football content. The books, articles and videos below cut through some of the noise to put together some insight into what Total Football actually means. Brilliant Orange: the Neurotic Genius of Dutch Football by David Winner Inverting the Pyramid by Jonathan Wilson (Chapter 12) Zonal Marking: the Making of Modern Football by Jonathan Wilson (Part 1) Total Football: A Graphical History of the World's Most Iconic Soccer Tactics by Sanjeev Shetty Spielverlagerung - Total Football Spielverlagerung - Rinus Michels: Der General Spielverlagerung - Glorious Ajax: The Total Football Revolution Tifo - Total Football Explained Football Made Simple - Johan Cruyff: Football's Greatest Maestro Nouman - Total Football, Johan Cruyff and the Dutch Team of the 1970s Football's Greatest - Netherlands 1974 Football's Greatest - Ajax These Football Times (Podcast) - The glory and the failure of a brilliant Netherlands in 1974 You can also find extended highlights and even full matches for most of the 1974 World Cup and 1971-3 European Cups on youtube. Please share anything I may have missed; there's a lot! So, what is "Total Football"? The Total Football philosophy is the collective, free-flowing, attacking style played by Holland at the 1974 World Cup and Ajax in their three successive European Cups 1971-73 in which all players contribute to all phases of play; attackers must be able to defend and defenders able to attack. Total Football, therefore, has 2 key elements: The collective, free-flowing and attacking style of play. Complete - or 'Total' - footballers capable of playing it. The style of play encompasses a number of features which have gone on to become commonplace in modern football but were fairly revolutionary at the time. Space Making the pitch small when defending through high intensity pressing. Creating space in attack using width, depth and movement. Positional Fluidity Players were famously capable of playing multiple positions so played with a high degree of positional fluidity. It is important to recognise that this area is undoubtedly subject to considerable hyperbole; nevertheless it was common to see defenders bring the ball out of defence, full-backs bomb forward to support attacking moves, midfielders either covering or joining attacks and Cruyff playing an entirely free-role. Realistically positional fluidity was perhaps attune to modern 4-3-3 formations becoming 2-3-5s in attack - commonplace today, but revolutionary at the time - more-so than mythical Rio Ferdinand/John Terry/Steven Gerrard/Cristiano Ronaldo-hybrids capable of playing all over the field or Johan Cruyff's creative genius being jettisoned in favour of a stint at centre-back marking the likes of Gerd Muller. The term totaalvoetbal itself was first used to describe the great Holland side of the 1974 World Cup (see David Winner's book for a great explanation), then - by extension - became synonymous with the great Ajax side which won three European Cups back-to-back and made up the nucleus of the national team. The Total Football philosophy therefore originates from an era, as much as an individual team. Once again using the wonderful analysis from Spielverlagerung, we can see that the famous 4-3-3 also synonymous with Total Football derived from something resembling a 4-2-4 shape. In fact, going back a little further to 1969 the 4-2-4 shape was even more pronounced. In 1972 we can see a far more recognisable version of the famous 4-3-3 with the Neeskens - Mühren - Haan trio in midfield and Krol and Suurbier flanking them from fullback. Followed by - to me, at least - the classic Ajax side of the era in 1973 with Rep joining Cruyff in attack. The ultimate culmination of perhaps the most iconic iteration was the Dutch national team at the 1974 World Cup; with the Ajax nucleus combined with tough tackling Wim Jansen, creative Willem van Hanagem and Rijsbergen at the back coming from 1970 European Champions, Feyenord and Rob Rensenbrink, who would go on to go within a post-width of winning Holland the 1978 World Cup. Unfortunate injury to Barry Hulshoff meant that midfielder Arie Haan was played in defence by necessity. This early example of playing a midfielder in defence was largely successful - only conceding one goal in their run to the final - but was ultimately sorely missed in the heartbreak in West Germany. Following 1974, Holland sent another wonderful side to the 1978 World Cup playing a similar style, again to be beaten in the final. Whilst the legacy of football continued with Rinus Michels and Johan Cruyff to Barcelona, revolutionising the club and European football. Going on to inspire so many countless other great sides, making Total Football one of the most iconic movements in the history of football. Total Football in the Football Manager Tactics Creator Creating the collective, free-flowing, attacking Total Football style of play is actually very simple. The core components are: Attacking team mentality. This sets a collectively expansive overall approach combined with width, high tempo and pressing. Entirely Support player duties with some Defend. A Support duty in an Attacking team results in a Positive individual mentality. A Defend duty in an Attacking team results in a Balanced individual mentality. Adding Exploit the Middle increases the mentality of central players on Defend duty in the MC, DM or D strata and Support duty in the DM strata. This results in a Positive individual mentality. Voila, we have our entire team playing with a Positive individual mentality Players with a Support duty also contribute more to defence. Bonus: in versions up to FM 2018 - unsure about 2019 onwards - Attacking teams made up entirely of players on Support or Defend duties receive a slight mentality increase for every player. This may not sound a lot but is actually very significant as it is multiplied across all 11 players. An Attack duty would cause a substantial mentality increase for that individual but lose the collective increase, actually resulting a net decrease in the mentality of the team. Very Fluid team shape Unfortunately for those - I imagine, most - of you playing the most recent iterations of the game have sadly lost the functionality most central to this style of play. The very fluid team shape is near enough a word-for-word definition of the collective Total Football philosophy. Fortunately - in this instance - the FM2020 Tactics Creator can still get you this collective positive football although I understand team fluidity is purely aesthetic (no idea why). For those interested in understanding Team Shape, I explain it here. TL;DR - the collective Team Mentality and a player's individual Duty both influence a players Individual Mentality - conveniently tucked away in the Player Instructions tab. For example, how is a player to play with an Attack duty in a Defensive team? Team Shape determines which gets priority. More fluid shapes put more emphasis on the collective. With a collective, free flowing, attacking Total Football playing style in place we finish off the tactic by: Playing a 4-3-3 variant. Choosing player roles that suit your players and emphasise roles that Roam From Position. I recommend the striker as a False 9 and Ball Playing Defenders combined with Play Out of Defence and Shorter Passing. I have a strong preference for my playmaker being my deepest midfielder, giving him more passing options ahead but this is personal preference as much as anything. Add any periphery Team Instructions and Player Instructions. I used Close Down More, Retain Possession, Work Ball Into Box and Low Crosses. My centre backs Dribble More, Inside Forwards Get Further Forwards and midfielders Move into Channels. You may want to add any Positional Swapping at this point if you are so inclined, I did not. I am happy to contribute, if people would like to attempt an FM 2020 variant. In Football Manager 2018 my individual mentality splits are as follows: 12 14 14 14 14 14 14 14 14 14 14 To put this into perspective, an individual Attack duty in a Balanced team mentality 13-14 in a Fluid or Very Fluid shape (wider range in more Structured shapes). Football Manager 2020 gives you 'positive' rather than numerical values. A combination that gives you 'Attack' would be ideal, but this should still play some nice football. I hope that this is simple and clear to understand; hopefully alternating between Football Manager 2018 and 2020 didn't over-complicate things too much. This style creates some wonderful football and I encourage you to adapt it to your teams. The "Total Footballer" Quite fittingly creating this playing style in the Tactics Creator is very simple, but building a team capable of playing it is considerably more challenging. In most cases, you're going to have to either choose a mega club with a large transfer budget or find a talented group of young players and a club with a good academy and build your own. I have enjoyed my all-time favourite Football Manager save using Benfica as they have the best academy in the game and a youth team full of talent, which you can read about in detail here - Caixa Futebol Academy. In a nutshell, my approach has been to: Tutor, tutor, tutor at a young age. Structure the entire club to give players game time at a young age. Focus training intelligence, technical ability (including two-footedness), versatility and building well-rounded 'complete' players. Initially I tend to iron out any weaknesses, either training a particular role they cannot perform or an individual attribute. Then I use broad training programs such as Complete Wingback, Ball Playing Defender, Deep/Roaming Playmaker, Complete Forward for the bulk of their development. A relentless cycle of either praising or warning about their work rate every 3-6 months through their formative years. I'll mostly train a 2nd and even 3rd position. Finally - when finished tutoring - I will add beneficial traits and improve their weaker foot. Throughout we focus team training on Tactics building very strong mental attributes throughout the squad. Re-invest substantially in developing the training ground, youth facilities, recruitment networks, international feeder clubs feeding into the academy and even expanding the stadium to strengthen the club financially to continue investing and keep hold of the players at their peak. I won't go into much further detail as a) it's documented extensively in threads above and b) had changed considerably in recent versions of the game. The end result is a very talented squad built to play this style of football. The Ability and Potential ratings are skewed dramatically by a lack of domestic competition in Portugal; compared at international level with the likes of Neymar and Mbappe the yardstick, we are mostly 3-4 star ability. Hopefully this illustrates the key areas highlighted above. Football intelligence Anticipation and Decisions have been highlighted as key attributes which impact every phase of the game. I'd actually include Team Work and Work Rate here as well, although the former is much more difficult to improve. Off the Ball movement, Vision and Composure are highlighted as important to our attacking play. Positioning and Concentration give us a strong defence. Technical ability Technique, First Touch and Passing are highlighted across the board, then we go for more specific attributes by position. Highlighting a few key players: Tiago Dantas is the absolute personification of our style of play. Club captain Great football intelligence, technique and all-round profile Two-footed João Felix is the focal point of our attack. Wonderful creator/goalscorer hybrid. Also very intelligent, technically excellent and two-footed. Jota's versatility gives us a lot in attack. Being two-footed and able to play both flanks - as either a winger or inside forward - deeper or centrally is extremely valuable. Also a hybrid creator/goalscorer with electric dribbling and a bit more pace. Again intelligent and strong technically. Florentino Luis plays anything from Box-to-Box midfield to dropping into defence as a 3rd centre back or inverted wingback. Very well rounded intelligent and technically strong midfielder/defender. One of the best in the squad for Anticipation, Decisions, Positioning, Concentration and Composure. Alex Pinto started life as a right-back but moved inside to become the rock at the heart of our defence and a wonderful ball-playing defender. Honourable mentions for: Xadas completing one of the strongest midfield trios in Europe. Embalo rounding off probably the more electric attacking trio in the Europe with Francisco Trincão regularly joining from the bench. Gedson Fernandes for owning the right flank. Geronimo Rulli has been superb in goal and played more than 100 times for Argentina. Diego Batista is another well-rounded utility player. Vinicius Junior, Theo Hernandez, Tiago Almada and Giovanni Lo Celso (on loan in the screenshot above) joining needing game time and a confidence boost after being overlooked at other clubs. Some excellent newgens who you can read more about in the Caixa Academy thread. Total Football in the Football Manager Match Engine Two of the most talented individual attacking players collide with the most devastating collective attack in the tournament so far. Our run to the final has been some of the most enjoyable football I have ever seen a side play in Football Manager. Paris Saint-Germain are now coached by Massimiliano Allegri and line up in a 4-4-2 formation, packed with world class talent. We play our usual 4-3-3 with a full first team available; Jota and Vinicius Junior recovering from earlier knocks so only Pedro Rodrigues and Thiago Almada missing out. Build Up Our build up is also fairly typical, with the goalkeeper distributing to the centre backs and building up through the middle. Even under pressure from two attackers, they have 4 passing options; two forwards and one backwards. If this proved too difficult I can move Florentino Luis to DM as a Half-Back and make 3v2 but this is rarely necessary. Once the ball reaches Dantas, he is in a pocket of space with no less than 7 players in advance of him with 5 immediate passing options from which to build an attack. Attacking Shape Here we advance further up the field and Dantas still has men ahead of him and plenty of passing options. The strength of our attacking shape is that we have no less than 7 attacking players in advance of our playmaker. Starting from the top the False 9 occupies both opposition centre backs and is essentially free to drop off deep. If the opposition centre backs follow him, they create space for our Inside Forwards who pinch in, occupying both centre back and full-back in the process. Wingbacks are therefore in acres of space (this was common throughout the match). You'll notice the Box-to-Box midfielder is actually taking up quite an expansive position in this shot; the Box-to-Box midfielder and Mezzala tend to drift into pockets of space with the Mezzala slightly more advanced. Just the reinforce the point, here are Dantas' passing options. In this instance, he picked out Florentino Luis in plenty of space who then put Umaro Embalo through but failed to score. Here is another example of Dantas on the ball, advancing towards a deeply packed two banks of four. This time Alves has advanced right into the opposition box, creating a 4 vs 4 against the opposition defence. Costa (newgen) and Luis offer passing options either side of Dantas and numerical advantage over the PSG double pivot. Gedson Fernandes is wide and in acres of space on the right. It actually looks like we are playing a pretty tidy 4-4-2 until you realise we are attacking the other way. The easy option would have been Costa or Luis, maybe Fernandes but Dantas picked out Alves - which I put as an orange arrow as it never looked on - and he didn't miss. We attack mostly centrally, but here is an example of Gedson Fernandes attacking down the right. ..and another of Jota attacking down the left. Just to show the attacking threat and numbers available in the box. In both shots, notice Dantas and the opposite wingback both in wide open space ready to win a second ball uncontested and recycle an attack. João Felix and his False 9 role can be crucial to breaking down deep, well-organised defences. Notice how far he has roamed and the attacking movement of 4 players who have advanced ahead of him. Marquinos has followed him all the way out leaving Koulibaly alone at centre back with Jota, Embalo, Luis and Xadas all making attacking runs. Once again, wingbacks are completely open; they were a constant outlet if under any pressure. Defensive Shape Our default defensive mode is to press aggressively throughout the game; mostly in a 4-5-1 shape. ..or with one of the inside forwards advancing as well in more of a 4-4-2. As the opposition advance, everyone collectively defends together as a 4-1-4-1. Here you see Neymar - one of the best players in the world - with the ball in a dangerous position, immediately swamped by 5-men with the back four still entirely intact. Total Defence. Quick Transitions One of the benefits of the Attack mentality over a pure control is more regular quick transitions into attack due to the higher mentality and tempo. Following on from the previous example of Neymar attacking, Dantas comes away with the ball and plays a long pass to João Felix and the rest of the fliers in the team take off in support. Felix turns, beats Marquinhos and finds Embalo - fastest player in the squad - breaking at ferocious pace. Embalo then beats the last defender and, one-on-one with the goalkeeper, selflessly cuts in back for JOTAAAAA!!! ..who hits the post! Comfortable victory in the end, and I even think that the scoreline flattered Paris Saint-Germain. Topping off a relentless club season.. Thank you for reading. I hope you have enjoyed it and the style brings as much enjoyment for you as it has for me. I'm off to prepare for the next challenge. Rest in peace, Johan! Edited May 28, 2020 by Ö-zil to the Arsenal! 41 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coach vahid Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Why you win always vs Paris in all your thread... You will me make play fm18. Again. Gracias. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djuicer Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 This is fantastic, please do not stop. I will read everything you post even if its not the same game! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemahh Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Fantastic work, sir. Always love reading your content, so please do continue posting, regardless of which version you're playing. 22 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said: Then I use broad training programs such as Complete Wingback, Ball Playing Defender, Deep/Roaming Playmaker, Complete Forward for the bulk of their development. Have you ever experimented with the default, Playing Position regime? As explained recently by Seb, it's the regime that covers the broadest range of attributes, but at a lesser rate (although only applicable when player doesn't need positional retraining). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline72 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) Yet another fascinating thread by you! Edited May 26, 2020 by skyline72 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) Thank you for the kind words everybody! Also - if anyone has any idea how to get the size of the images down to be a bit more manageable please let me know. I am using a new computer; perhaps it's the higher resolution. The awkward size seems to make the thread quite difficult to read. 44 minutes ago, coach vahid said: Why you win always vs Paris in all your thread... You will me make play fm18. Again. Gracias. Yes! I did realise that when I was writing this. They've come up at least a couple of times over the years. Perhaps it's a good thing that they keep getting to finals! I do actually have a save running with Paris Saint-Germain on the side. Not particularly interesting but I wanted to experiment with using an out-and-out centre forward as I realised it something I almost never use. You never know, maybe that will turn into something.. 19 minutes ago, Zemahh said: Fantastic work, sir. Always love reading your content, so please do continue posting, regardless of which version you're playing. Have you ever experimented with the default, Playing Position regime? As explained recently by Seb, it's the regime that covers the broadest range of attributes, but at a lesser rate (although only applicable when player doesn't need positional retraining). Wow, actually no I had no idea about that. Yes, on many occasions if I knew that I think I would have used it. Thank you for the insight! Edited May 26, 2020 by Ö-zil to the Arsenal! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemahh Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said: Also - if anyone has any idea how to get the size of the images down to be a bit more manageable please let me know. You could download free editing software like Paint.NET or ShareX, or use one of the online image resizers (Google "pic resize", since 3rd party links aren't allowed). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Nice read! I am curious about training schedules and programm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattric_b Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Great thread and it would be a real shame to lose you if this was your last thread. I was curious how this tactic would look in FM20 so I tried to make it as close to what you have as possible for fun. Here's what I have. Possession instructions: Out of possession instructions: You didn't have any team instructions that fit into 'in transition' instructions so that was left alone. As I assumed it isn't possible to create a carbon copy of the tactic. I opted for 'much shorter' rather than 'slightly shorter' passing because you have selected the shortest passing instruction possible. I also opted for 'more urgent' rather than 'extremely urgent' because again you didn't select the most extreme closing down instruction. I could achieve a very fluid team shape although as you stated this seems pointless in the new game. The next issue I ran into was this: All players in this specific setup have an individual mentality of 'positive' except for the inside forwards (very attacking). So I looked to see the mentality for the other roles for the wingers. Inverted wingers advanced playmaker and wingers on support play with 'positive' mentality although it is an entirely different role and I'm unsure how it would affect the overall tactic. I attempted to add the overlap instruction to lower the inside forward mentatlity, but it only lowered to 'attacking'. Advanced playmaker is an obvious no because i can't have them get further forward and we only want one playmaker on the pitch. I suppose winger and inverted winger could work if I use players with the right PPM's. pos va va pos pos pos pos pos pos pos I haven't tried using the tactic just yet and although I'm managing man utd I don't think my team is strong enough to play total football just yet. But I'd be interested in trying to recreate this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonko Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Amazing once again. It would be a shame if this was your last thread. I've enjoyed your threads and personally I found the one about Barca from FM17 the best thread ever on this forum. I would like to see you continue to contribute, especially if you decide to start playing FM20 or FM21 whenever it comes out. I think you have a lot more to offer here, especially considering most of the OGs like Cleon are gone. @Rashidi rarely posts here as well and he's more on Twitch now. @Pattric_b The IF role has more attacking mentality than other roles because the role needs to offer more a goal threat and play differently than other roles, especially the IW. It still works nicely and personally I find it working better in FM20 than previous editions. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giggety Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 I will read the whole post later on, just here to say thank you @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! for all your contributions to the community. Take it easy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 8 hours ago, Pattric_b said: As I assumed it isn't possible to create a carbon copy of the tactic. I opted for 'much shorter' rather than 'slightly shorter' passing because you have selected the shortest passing instruction possible. I also opted for 'more urgent' rather than 'extremely urgent' because again you didn't select the most extreme closing down instruction. I could achieve a very fluid team shape although as you stated this seems pointless in the new game. The next issue I ran into was this: All players in this specific setup have an individual mentality of 'positive' except for the inside forwards (very attacking). So I looked to see the mentality for the other roles for the wingers. Looks excellent, nice work! Extremely minor, but my only other suggestion would be to maybe up the defensive line/line of engagement as you really want that aggressive press. Ah, yes. I was wondering how long it'd take to run into limitations on the FM2020 tactics creator! My first observation would be that looking at the PIs the Inverted Winger and the Inside Forward are identical aside from mentality however there may be some hard-coded behaviour, as otherwise the change is utterly pointless. In my system both have the same instructions but Jota could certainly be described as an Inverted Winger whereas Embalo more of a wide forward so I would suggest deciding based on the player. I do not like the idea of 'very attacking' whilst the others are positive. That doesn't sound much like he'll be contributing to defence at all. Does Inside Forward + Overlap give you: Pos Att Att Pos Pos Pos Att Pos Pos Att Pos ? If so I think that looks pretty good. I actually think I direct replication of my system would be everyone on Attack but not sure how it's possible in FM2020. The labels are really subjective and 14 out of 20 would be on a boundary between Positive and Attack so it'd be extremely marginal. Just my OCD coming out again really I don't know why on earth they don't scrap Duties all together and just let you pick an Individual Mentality anyway.. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gam945 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 14 hours ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said: In fact, going back a little further to 1969 the 4-2-4 shape was even more pronounced. Really interesting post! I would be really interested to know how you would recreate Total Football using this shape (or a 4-4-2/4-4-1-1) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djuicer Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said: Looks excellent, nice work! Extremely minor, but my only other suggestion would be to maybe up the defensive line/line of engagement as you really want that aggressive press. Ah, yes. I was wondering how long it'd take to run into limitations on the FM2020 tactics creator! My first observation would be that looking at the PIs the Inverted Winger and the Inside Forward are identical aside from mentality however there may be some hard-coded behaviour, as otherwise the change is utterly pointless. In my system both have the same instructions but Jota could certainly be described as an Inverted Winger whereas Embalo more of a wide forward so I would suggest deciding based on the player. I do not like the idea of 'very attacking' whilst the others are positive. That doesn't sound much like he'll be contributing to defence at all. Does Inside Forward + Overlap give you: Pos Att Att Pos Pos Pos Att Pos Pos Att Pos ? If so I think that looks pretty good. I actually think I direct replication of my system would be everyone on Attack but not sure how it's possible in FM2020. The labels are really subjective and 14 out of 20 would be on a boundary between Positive and Attack so it'd be extremely marginal. Just my OCD coming out again really I don't know why on earth they don't scrap Duties all together and just let you pick an Individual Mentality anyway.. I wrote about this in a thread a while ago, I did not use any over/underlap. EDIT, WITH O/U-lap you do get that mentality on the wings with IF. Spoiler Next up will be my two advanced wide players. This was a role I was having problems deciding. I wanted both players to be able to give me width, which is something all wide roles except the raumdeuter can give you. Secondly I was not sure I wanted the wide players to be limited in their movement to strictly stick to the sidelines, that excluded the wingers. Thirdly with a trequartista up top I did not want more of those on the flanks. I did not either want any regular playmakers on the wings. Regarding wide target men I do not have players in that mould, nor do I want to use them. This leaves us with two roles left, the inverted winger and the inside forward. This was originally my plan, to use one of each on either side, but there was a huge but here - the inside forward could not paired with the rest of the tactical setup get a mentality lower than very attacking and with the trequartista already being at that mentality I decided against that role. So now the only role left is the inverted winger. Inverted Winger Pro’s and Con’s:Pro's: *Flexible - Can stay wide, cut inside, take more or less risk with passes etc. *Creative *Tracks back *Is a goal threat. *Positive mentality is fairly balanced for such an offensively fielded player. Con's: *Compared the the inside forward the inverted winger is less of a goal threat. *Too much customization can make the role to take on too much responsibility. *Positive mentality might not be willing to take enough risk. The Inverted Winger is very flexible and can be customised to do a lot of different jobs, with a support duty there is only two locked in behaviours for the role. Cuts inside with the ball and dribble more. I used two different versions of the IW though. One on the right handed side, which I order the IWs to do two more things, get further forward and stay wider. This to get the IWs to keep the width and contribute more in attack. Sometimes the get further forward is removed. In the game the IWs looks like this: On the left is where I wanted the inside forward, but I could not get it to work as I wanted it to (read to high mentality). So I compromised and created the inverted wing forward, or IWFs as he from now on will be known as. This player has the same Personal instructions (PI) as the right one (get further forward, stay wider) but it was also given cross less often and take more risk to create a player that was more inclined to pass rather than to cross. Hopefully this will also make the player play more as an inside forward because it now has all of the PIs an inside forward has (yes I know there are hard-coded differences). Edited May 27, 2020 by Djuicer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack722 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said: I do actually have a save running with Paris Saint-Germain on the side. Not particularly interesting but I wanted to experiment with using an out-and-out centre forward as I realised it something I almost never use. You never know, maybe that will turn into something.. Hello mate, great work as always. I'd be very interested if you make a thread about this save. I realised the same thing as you recently, and tried to get a natural poacher being my main goalscorer in an fm touch save which i wrote about here. After a great start I felt like I had cracked it, but in the second half of the season, the goals dried up and those that he scored were mostly penalties and direct corners. We won the league but my poacher only got 26 goals in 36, and I'd say at least 10 were penalties/direct corners. Even though it's hard to check on FM touch due to the limited stats tab, it felt like my poacher only scored 3 or 4 open play goals in the second half of the season. Not good enough for a league winning poacher. If you're set on not making any more threads, then hopefully you'd be able to share the save with us either through my linked post, or one of the many threads asking for help with goalscorers. I feel like you'd be able to help out myself and a lot of others. Edited May 27, 2020 by Jack722 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline72 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Pattric_b said: Great thread and it would be a real shame to lose you if this was your last thread. I was curious how this tactic would look in FM20 so I tried to make it as close to what you have as possible for fun. Here's what I have. Possession instructions: Out of possession instructions: You didn't have any team instructions that fit into 'in transition' instructions so that was left alone. As I assumed it isn't possible to create a carbon copy of the tactic. I opted for 'much shorter' rather than 'slightly shorter' passing because you have selected the shortest passing instruction possible. I also opted for 'more urgent' rather than 'extremely urgent' because again you didn't select the most extreme closing down instruction. I could achieve a very fluid team shape although as you stated this seems pointless in the new game. The next issue I ran into was this: All players in this specific setup have an individual mentality of 'positive' except for the inside forwards (very attacking). So I looked to see the mentality for the other roles for the wingers. Inverted wingers advanced playmaker and wingers on support play with 'positive' mentality although it is an entirely different role and I'm unsure how it would affect the overall tactic. I attempted to add the overlap instruction to lower the inside forward mentatlity, but it only lowered to 'attacking'. Advanced playmaker is an obvious no because i can't have them get further forward and we only want one playmaker on the pitch. I suppose winger and inverted winger could work if I use players with the right PPM's. pos va va pos pos pos pos pos pos pos I haven't tried using the tactic just yet and although I'm managing man utd I don't think my team is strong enough to play total football just yet. But I'd be interested in trying to recreate this. The F9 only have a mentality of Balanced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusadertsar Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, skyline72 said: The F9 only have a mentality of Balanced. This is in FM18 though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powello Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, skyline72 said: The F9 only have a mentality of Balanced. I use something similar and to get the desired mentality you have to, insead of the f9, drop it back into the AM slot and use either AM or AP in fm20. I personally use an AM but I am stil testing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersAas Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said: Looks excellent, nice work! Extremely minor, but my only other suggestion would be to maybe up the defensive line/line of engagement as you really want that aggressive press. Ah, yes. I was wondering how long it'd take to run into limitations on the FM2020 tactics creator! My first observation would be that looking at the PIs the Inverted Winger and the Inside Forward are identical aside from mentality however there may be some hard-coded behaviour, as otherwise the change is utterly pointless. In my system both have the same instructions but Jota could certainly be described as an Inverted Winger whereas Embalo more of a wide forward so I would suggest deciding based on the player. I do not like the idea of 'very attacking' whilst the others are positive. That doesn't sound much like he'll be contributing to defence at all. Does Inside Forward + Overlap give you: Pos Att Att Pos Pos Pos Att Pos Pos Att Pos ? If so I think that looks pretty good. I actually think I direct replication of my system would be everyone on Attack but not sure how it's possible in FM2020. The labels are really subjective and 14 out of 20 would be on a boundary between Positive and Attack so it'd be extremely marginal. Just my OCD coming out again really I don't know why on earth they don't scrap Duties all together and just let you pick an Individual Mentality anyway.. Inside forward + overlap makes it: So better than very attacking at least. So its either IF and overlap or a customised IW to get positive on both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djuicer Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, AndersAas said: Inside forward + overlap makes it: So better than very attacking at least. So its either IF and overlap or a customised IW to get positive on both. Thats incorrect. The LBs gets attacking. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline72 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, crusadertsar said: This is in FM18 though I tried on FM20, it shows balanced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersAas Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Djuicer said: Thats incorrect. The LBs gets attacking. Thanks for noticing. Thats even better getting compactness on the flanks. I just tried in the mentality calculator and not in the game itself. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattric_b Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said: Looks excellent, nice work! Extremely minor, but my only other suggestion would be to maybe up the defensive line/line of engagement as you really want that aggressive press. Ah, yes. I was wondering how long it'd take to run into limitations on the FM2020 tactics creator! My first observation would be that looking at the PIs the Inverted Winger and the Inside Forward are identical aside from mentality however there may be some hard-coded behaviour, as otherwise the change is utterly pointless. In my system both have the same instructions but Jota could certainly be described as an Inverted Winger whereas Embalo more of a wide forward so I would suggest deciding based on the player. I do not like the idea of 'very attacking' whilst the others are positive. That doesn't sound much like he'll be contributing to defence at all. Does Inside Forward + Overlap give you: Pos Att Att Pos Pos Pos Att Pos Pos Att Pos ? If so I think that looks pretty good. I actually think I direct replication of my system would be everyone on Attack but not sure how it's possible in FM2020. The labels are really subjective and 14 out of 20 would be on a boundary between Positive and Attack so it'd be extremely marginal. Just my OCD coming out again really I don't know why on earth they don't scrap Duties all together and just let you pick an Individual Mentality anyway.. Yes this tactic creator compared to fm18 does appear to be limited. The individual mentality is a lot more ambiguous, instead of knowing the exact number for a players mentality they just use the positive, attacking labels. No idea if some roles are considered more positive or less positive than others, if you know what I mean. I don’t have ocd but not knowing 100% the players mentality annoys me lol. After playing with the tactic slightly and attempting to create something like the 4-2-4 version Ajax used in 1969 Europa final you posted, I noticed the inside forwards are too extreme with ‘very attacking’ so I am going to try and play with the over lap instructions on and see how that looks. Other than that I found it to be playing very nicely. Thankfully my squad are A lot more talented than I gave them credit for. At some point I am going to post my 4-2-4 total football tactic and see what you think. Thanks for your insight! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 Whoa, what a can of worms this has opened! I am trying to keep up with responses, but apologies in advance for anything I miss. 2 hours ago, gam945 said: Really interesting post! I would be really interested to know how you would recreate Total Football using this shape (or a 4-4-2/4-4-1-1) Thank you. Interesting question. In terms of playing style, exactly the same. This is actually one of the points I have been trying to make for a number of years. Once you have a clearly defined playing style you can apply it to and combination of formations or player roles depending on the context of your team. For this in particular, I'd simply use 4-2-3-1. This easily creates a 4-2-4 in attack and 4-5-1 in midfield; the difference is you have an Attacking midfielder and a double pivot rather than single pivot. The Attacking Midfielder (Support) is a lovely role and will give you that exact movement with Get Forward More. As for the pivot - largely depends on the players and how much risk you're comfortable with. With Dantas and Florentino Luis, I'd be comfortable playing DLP(D) and B2B(S) because they both read the game so well, but this will be expansive. MC(D) and DLP(S) would be a more reserved option; the trade-off being losing one man ahead of the playmaker. Complete Forward (Support) is my go-to role for a striker in this type of system as it roams, holds up the ball and scores. In an earlier experiment I actually used almost this exact system to great effect with a slightly different playing style. 1 hour ago, skyline72 said: The F9 only have a mentality of Balanced. Well spotted. The False 9 having a lower mentality than the other attackers actually creates some nice overlapping movement. Again, personally I'd call 12 out of 20 'positive' but I suppose that could also be considered balanced. Unless, of course, it's actually now lower as it's impossible to tell whether mentality is still increased with entirely Support/Defend duties. Just adding more mud to the murky water.. 33 minutes ago, Djuicer said: Thats incorrect. The LBs gets attacking. I think that would work quite nicely 20 minutes ago, Pattric_b said: Yes this tactic creator compared to fm18 does appear to be limited. The individual mentality is a lot more ambiguous, instead of knowing the exact number for a players mentality they just use the positive, attacking labels. No idea if some roles are considered more positive or less positive than others, if you know what I mean. I don’t have ocd but not knowing 100% the players mentality annoys me lol. After playing with the tactic slightly and attempting to create something like the 4-2-4 version Ajax used in 1969 Europa final you posted, I noticed the inside forwards are too extreme with ‘very attacking’ so I am going to try and play with the over lap instructions on and see how that looks. Other than that I found it to be playing very nicely. Thankfully my squad are A lot more talented than I gave them credit for. At some point I am going to post my 4-2-4 total football tactic and see what you think. Thanks for your insight! The common misconception is that Duty directly determines how a player will play; whereas it is in fact a contributing factor to Individual Mentality. An Attack duty player will be more attacking than a player on Support - and roles available on Attack duty are often more attacking themselves - but without knowing the full context it only tells us so much. Once you understand this you understand a major part of the tactics creator. The misconception leads to selecting too many Attack duties, particularly in more attack-minded tactics. This compounds to create Very Attacking individual mentalities, increasing risk of isolation, not tracking back or firing off ridiculous long shots (sound familiar? ). The counter balance to this is to play a more reserved overall playing style, meaning people think you have to play 4-2-3-1 with 2 DMs and your wide players at MR/L in order to get them to defend. This is obviously not ideal and creates an issue at the other end that your Defensive players are now even more defensive, limiting their contribution to build up or creating lots of backwards and sideways passes. Ultimately you want most teams to play collectively, with some room for individualism; but factored in to the overall system if you want to play nice football. Much like the famous Johan Cruyff quote, but with roles/duties instead of players. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Jack722 said: Hello mate, great work as always. I'd be very interested if you make a thread about this save. I realised the same thing as you recently, and tried to get a natural poacher being my main goalscorer in an fm touch save which i wrote about here. After a great start I felt like I had cracked it, but in the second half of the season, the goals dried up and those that he scored were mostly penalties and direct corners. We won the league but my poacher only got 26 goals in 36, and I'd say at least 10 were penalties/direct corners. Even though it's hard to check on FM touch due to the limited stats tab, it felt like my poacher only scored 3 or 4 open play goals in the second half of the season. Not good enough for a league winning poacher. If you're set on not making any more threads, then hopefully you'd be able to share the save with us either through my linked post, or one of the many threads asking for help with goalscorers. I feel like you'd be able to help out myself and a lot of others. My idea actually comes out remarkably similarly to yours with only a few changes. How are your individual mentalities distributed across the team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovis Dexter Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 hours ago, skyline72 said: The F9 only have a mentality of Balanced. I've found it impossible to allocate a role to a forward to make him positive. So far as I can see all the forwards on support are balanced and those on attack are very attacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline72 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hovis Dexter said: I've found it impossible to allocate a role to a forward to make him positive. So far as I can see all the forwards on support are balanced and those on attack are very attacking. Like @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! had mentioned earlier, its probably 12/20? Just that little bit more than balanced but less than positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack722 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said: My idea actually comes out remarkably similarly to yours with only a few changes. How are your individual mentalities distributed across the team? 17 16 12 12 11 7 10 6 6 14 6 Like this. or in FM20 terms: It's interesting that you got similar to me, it makes me think that maybe the reason my striker tailed off a bit towards the end was more due to inidivudal form and general fatigue rather than the system, seeing as he did so well at the start, and due to you playing in the same sort of style... I also pretty much religously played him every game so maybe that was detrimental. I'd quite like to know the system and what sort of numbers you're getting for your striker, although it's cool if you don't want the thread to go too much off topic. Edited May 27, 2020 by Jack722 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jack722 said: 17 16 12 12 11 7 10 6 6 14 6 Like this. or in FM20 terms: It's interesting that you got similar to me, it makes me think that maybe the reason my striker tailed off a bit towards the end was more due to inidivudal form and general fatigue rather than the system, seeing as he did so well at the start, and due to you playing in the same sort of style... I also pretty much religously played him every game so maybe that was detrimental. I'd quite like to know the system and what sort of numbers you're getting for your striker, although it's cool if you don't want the thread to go too much off topic. How are you getting those mentality numbers? Looks odd that 12 is 'very attacking' but 14 is 'attacking' and 10 is surely balanced? Your system is good. My only suggestions would be: Tweak your system to avoid having 3 players on Very Attacking (see earlier post for explanation). Make your left back more attacking; your left winger is attacking on his own and there's a big gap between the two players on that flank. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack722 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said: How are you getting those mentality numbers? Looks odd that 12 is 'very attacking' but 14 is 'attacking' and 10 is surely balanced? Your system is good. My only suggestions would be: Tweak your system to avoid having 3 players on Very Attacking (see earlier post for explanation). Make your left back more attacking; your left winger is attacking on his own and there's a big gap between the two players on that flank. Thanks for the feedback! tbf I have never used the mentality calculator, so I probably made a mistake with the numbers one. I also didn't realise that an IFs had the same mentality as a Wa. The general idea was 2 creators and 2 attackers with the AMs and IFs creating chances and the Wa and Pa making runs in behind. I'll probably reload the save at an earlier date and try again with the calculator info in mind. My poacher probably wasn't getting sufficient space with 2 very attacking players either side of him, and maybe that effected us as our rep became higher and teams defended more as the season went on. Making the left winger a support duty would solve both the problems of the gap on the left as well as having too many players on 'very attacking'. Edited May 27, 2020 by Jack722 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) Absolutely fantastic writing depth! Would be gutted if this is indeed your last tactic thread ever Edited May 27, 2020 by john1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline72 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Im sorry, but how does the individual mentality affect the team? If the whole team are all the same eg. All positive, they will be more compact? In this 41221, wouldnt you want the IF(very attacking) to do their job which is to put thr ball in the net? Why bring it down to attacking with the overlap instruction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vrbrasa Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 hi @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!. first, another masterpiece i have to say i am very happy that you continue this adventure with your save and fm18. so quick question, how do you distribute the roles in the 4-4-2 diamond, and if you may, i get really curious about the 2-3-5 that you have... i already see that you move to attack very fluid, i hope i can do that too huge hug for you and cheers to this great save that inspire us so much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djuicer Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, skyline72 said: Im sorry, but how does the individual mentality affect the team? If the whole team are all the same eg. All positive, they will be more compact? In this 41221, wouldnt you want the IF(very attacking) to do their job which is to put thr ball in the net? Why bring it down to attacking with the overlap instruction? Yes, all will be more compact with the same mentality (or close mentalities). Sure, but it won't be total football if there are to big diffrences. Remeber its supposed to be fluent, and every player is supposed to be attacking and defending together. Very attacking players will not do that. Which means no total football. Edited May 27, 2020 by Djuicer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline72 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Djuicer said: Yes, all will be more compact with the same mentality (or close mentalities). Sure, but it won't be total football if there are to big diffrences. Remeber its supposed to be fluent, and every player is supposed to be attacking and defending together. Very attacking players will not do that. Which means no total football. Ahhh. I used to think that just the duties matters. Learning new stuff yet again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadOnion Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) Once again, legendary stuff @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!. I've followed closely the Caixa Futebol Campus thread. I truly believe that's the GOAT thread on this forum. I do enjoy your writing style, so please do keep up the great work. 19 hours ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said: Also - if anyone has any idea how to get the size of the images down to be a bit more manageable please let me know. I am using a new computer; perhaps it's the higher resolution. The awkward size seems to make the thread quite difficult to read. You're probably on a Mac with Retina display so screenshots come twice as big. If you use Preview, go to Tools -> Adjust Size et voilá. Edited May 27, 2020 by MadOnion 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, MadOnion said: Once again, legendary stuff @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!. I've followed closely the Caixa Futebol Campus thread. I truly believe that's the GOAT thread on this forum. I do enjoy your writing style, so please do keep up the great work. You're probably on a Mac with Retina display so screenshots come twice and big. If you use Preview, go to Tools -> Adjust Size et voilá. Ah, awesome. Thank you so much. What size do I want? At the moment it's width 50.8cm, height 31.75cm, Resolution 144pixels/inch and scale proportionally is ticked. Sorry if that's a dumb question, hopeless with this stuff.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadOnion Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Resolution is fine. Change units to "per cent" and update the width to 50% (if it's too small, you can try something bigger). I always have to resize my images before posting them on here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiigman Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) Great stuff mate. Edited May 27, 2020 by Experienced Defender Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akranion Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Thank you for this post, this is my favourite style of play. I want to share how I translated to FM20. All players on positive, besides F9 who is balanced. All the front 5 have Roam from position and the IWs have Get Further Forward. I'm playing Southampton first season and they don't have a great squad for this style of play but the addition of Ajer who is a very complete player and a great pivot, Almada and Vanheusden will help the team a lot, My early results (Match against City was a surprise for me): 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattric_b Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Akranion said: Thank you for this post, this is my favourite style of play. I want to share how I translated to FM20. All players on positive, besides F9 who is balanced. All the front 5 have Roam from position and the IWs have Get Further Forward. I'm playing Southampton first season and they don't have a great squad for this style of play but the addition of Ajer who is a very complete player and a great pivot, Almada and Vanheusden will help the team a lot, My early results (Match against City was a surprise for me): Unsure how much it matters but I believe the keeper will have a very attacking mentality is this particular set up which could be costly playing a higher line or with a keeper who has sub par reactions. Are your inverted wingers scoring many goals? Edited May 27, 2020 by Pattric_b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coach vahid Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Its funny cause, most of the time, what we try to do is to replicate real managers tactic. Now we try to replicate @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! tactic...WTF 😀 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonko Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 For those interested, on FM20 an IF with Support duty but "Very Attacking" individual mentality doesn't have a problem defending even on Attacking Team Mentality. 5 minutes ago, coach vahid said: Its funny cause, most of the time, what we try to do is to replicate real managers tactic. Now we try to replicate @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! tactic...WTF 😀 @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! tactic is based on real life managers and tactics, specifically Total Football. Most of the recent threads are about possession and Total Football - Michels, Cruyff, Pep tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline72 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, coach vahid said: Its funny cause, most of the time, what we try to do is to replicate real managers tactic. Now we try to replicate @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! tactic...WTF 😀 Maybe he is a real manager. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coach vahid Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 il y a 55 minutes, yonko a dit : @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! tactic is based on real life managers and tactics, specifically Total Football. Most of the recent threads are about possession and Total Football - Michels, Cruyff, Pep tactics. Hum... I know... But its funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) First of all, massive thank you to @JDeeguain for telling me about this. Enjoy! Somehow Jota doesn't even get mentioned in the match report. Hopefully this shows what a phenomenal creative force he is and also the advantage of having a two-footed winger. Edited May 28, 2020 by Ö-zil to the Arsenal! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, MadOnion said: Resolution is fine. Change units to "per cent" and update the width to 50% (if it's too small, you can try something bigger). I always have to resize my images before posting them on here. Looks like I still haven't quite got this right Edit: got it Edited May 28, 2020 by Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpassosbh Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 19 hours ago, Akranion said: Thank you for this post, this is my favourite style of play. I want to share how I translated to FM20. All players on positive, besides F9 who is balanced. All the front 5 have Roam from position and the IWs have Get Further Forward. I'm playing Southampton first season and they don't have a great squad for this style of play but the addition of Ajer who is a very complete player and a great pivot, Almada and Vanheusden will help the team a lot, My early results (Match against City was a surprise for me): Hello @Akranion Can you post more results? I´ll try to replicate this aswell with Ajax team. Have you tested all options for the SC position? Maybe for Ajax I can go with a Strikerless option, but I will test first. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcufrog Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! Fantastic thread! Do you use any PIs like "get further forward" for your IWs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nidhar.ram Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I have created a very fluid possession based system in FM20 but in 4411 formation as it suits my players better. Below is the tactic. I have deliberately positioned my wingers/ wide forwards at ML/MR position rather than AML/AMR. This is so that those players are more involved in the build-up play and also prevents the ball being moved to switch to flanks too early where they lack enough support. As part of total football I still press high but not counterpress. Instead, forwards and wingers along with wingbacks compress space and my midfield is mainly positioned to stay close to opposition midfielders. I have customized IW(S) on both flanks so that one acts as a creator primarily while the other is scorer/creator. The two roles I am not entirely sure are the MCL which is the DLP(D) and the AM(S). Any suggestions on how those two roles can be set-up in this system will be really appreciated. Also please critic the overall tactic too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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