speople Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Just had a game, where in the post match report, the ME even admitted that it cheated !!! In the analysis of the referee, it said 'had an up and down game, and made one high profile error in disallowing (player's) goal when really it should have stood' Tried to find the analysis again in order to post a screenie, but I cant find the report again Still, it blatantly admitted that it deliberately robbed me of a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttgammon Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 If anything, that's impressively realistic. I've seen loads of matches in real life where goals have been wrongly disallowed or given when they shouldn't have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiovascular Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 That's not cheating, that's realism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Refereeing mistakes are coded purposefully, to replicate reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
speople Posted February 12, 2010 Author Share Posted February 12, 2010 And I didn't even get the chance to say what I thought, as there was no post match press conference available. Realism or not, it's the first time I've come across the ME actually saying it deliberately chalked off a perfectly good goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud S Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I've only got away with disagreeing with the ref once. Even when a goal is clearly offside it'll say the officals got it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 true its part of real life aswell , last season in my save i had more than 10 goals that weren't count because of referees mistakes ( mostly they claimed off side but on replay i saw they weren't ) Sure i got ****ed but you don't see me ranting about it ( on Uefa cup final i had 2 goals that weren't allowed but still won the game by 3-1 ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky1989 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 The only problem there is that the one time you'd be right to complain, you didn't get the option to. I never bother with complaining anymore, as it never goes my way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atonement Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 i always check out the refs performance in the post game analysis bit its a shame that this info gets scrubbed when you continue to the next screen and that you cant be more pro active about slagging off refs maybe in the future, a bit like manager interaction, you could build relationships with the refs and put them under scrutiny or praise them with comments to the press and then this would impact upon their performance - a la fergie i think the good/bad decision ratio is pretty good really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 so is it 'cheating' when the decision goes in your favour? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 In the end, its just frustrating to lose a match. No one who plays this game goes out to lose a match unless for a good reason. If you get a goal chalked off and it was the wrong call and it costs you a promotion, gets your relegated, loses the cup final, etc you are going to be bitter and need to rant to get it all out. Does the ME cheat? No, it doesn't cheat it justs ****s with you, but hey, thats what football management is about, you can't go an entire career of winning everything, you are going to lose as well. /rant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jld123 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 so is it 'cheating' when the decision goes in your favour? Exactly, if the decision had gone the other way, would you have posted here? I'm not having a go, just saying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scath Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I'd argue there aren't enough mistakes in the game. Great little feature I find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
solstar Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Problem with this is you cant complain. If you do, you get fined or warned or banned and that is not realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swed151 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Problem with this is you cant complain. If you do, you get fined or warned or banned and that is not realistic. Is it not? SAF gets warned and fined all the time IRL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
solstar Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Is it not? SAF gets warned and fined all the time IRL. Yes but sometimes he gets appeals in his favour. IRL you can appeal and succeed, not in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Taylor Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Yes but sometimes he gets appeals in his favour. IRL you can appeal and succeed, not in the game. You can have the FA "silent over referee critisism". That makes it all worth while for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Just had a game, where in the post match report, the ME even admitted that it cheated !!!In the analysis of the referee, it said 'had an up and down game, and made one high profile error in disallowing (player's) goal when really it should have stood' Tried to find the analysis again in order to post a screenie, but I cant find the report again Still, it blatantly admitted that it deliberately robbed me of a goal. What exactly are you trying to prove with this post? That mistakes and bad refereeing are coded into the game? Well yes, they are. I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that these things are put into the game to make it more realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlikeJellybeans Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 It's called realism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
solstar Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Realism is being able to have a complaint against a sending off upheld or a comment made by the FA expressing their concern over the poor referring in the last match and seeing the referee suspenses for a few games. Happens all the time IRL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Taylor Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Realism is being able to have a complaint against a sending off upheld or a comment made by the FA expressing their concern over the poor referring in the last match and seeing the referee suspenses for a few games. Happens all the time IRL. The best we have is: You can have the FA "silent over referee critisism". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoroHoro Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 No point going against the referee for mistakes. The out come of the match will not be changed. The referee or FA will not award you the goals that's wrongly chalked off nor will you be awarded extra points. This kind of situation happens in real life against any team. So just hope/do better to make your players score more or give opponents less chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9inchnails Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 did you even watch a football game irl? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duck my sick Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 SI really need to sort out the match engine. Sometimes there are 4 or 5 players clearly offside when a goal is scored, then the F.A always say the ref was right. Either fix it, or take out the option to say the ref got it wrong. Because at the moment, the option to do that is pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkson01 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Very annoying HOWEVER I love it! it does make the game very realistic! It's very easy to pretty much win everything in this game with little "cheats" (saving game before games and reloading until win) so things like this makes the game alot more addictive due to almost chaos events! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcafcwbb Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Did you see the Fulham v Burnley game this week? Fulham's first two goals were offside but were missed by the linesman so it does happen in real life, which means that it should happen in the game. One thing I love to be added to the game is where the replays show the officials made a mistake you can rant about it to the press WITHOUT the fa charging you for misconduct. In real life the FA do seem to turn a blind eye when they know the officials have made a mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
speople Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 Very annoying HOWEVER I love it! it does make the game very realistic! It's very easy to pretty much win everything in this game with little "cheats" (saving game before games and reloading until win) so things like this makes the game alot more addictive due to almost chaos events! Someone needs to have an extremely sad life if they save a game b4 every match and keep reloading it in until they win before moving on. What on earth is the point in buying the game if that's all a person is gonna do ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Taylor Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Someone needs to have an extremely sad life if they save a game b4 every match and keep reloading it in until they win before moving on.What on earth is the point in buying the game if that's all a person is gonna do ?? Young players of the game may like winning everything and take this road. Because, honestly, if you're 5, you don't really care about realism, do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesleysonck Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Features like this only help you experience the emotions of a real-life manager. The ecstasy of victory, the pain of defeat and the gut-wrenching sense of injustice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttgammon Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Young players of the game may like winning everything and take this road.Because, honestly, if you're 5, you don't really care about realism, do you? Five year olds PLAY Football Manager? I doubt I'd have been able to concentrate on it when I was that age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityAndColour Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 The post match report criticises the referee for any contentious decision, regardless of whether it's right or wrong. You'll score a goal which is miles onside, the opposition will appeal anyway and the post match will say "had a good game, apart from his decision to allow the goal". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Taylor Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Five year olds PLAY Football Manager? I doubt I'd have been able to concentrate on it when I was that age. Maybe I took it a little far with 5. But I know a 7 year old who plays it, and he doesn't care about realism, only winning, which is perfectly acceptable, seeing that he's 7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 My 10 yo brother plays it. I don't think he realises yet he can save and reload though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ensar13 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 So OP, after tonight Bayern - Fiorentina, do you see that it happend in the real life too 2m in offside and the refree see the situation, but he just let it go. Red card to Gobbi (even Kaiser Franz admited that it was just a faul not a red card) but no red card for two-footed start of Van Bomel, and the hard tackling from Klose on player whitout the ball. Refree mistakes. Like the non given red card for last man Ferdinand (Dinho foul), and the indirect free kick (Porto - Arsenal) where the refree gave the ball free, but the ball was already by Falcao. So, he had to stop and retake the indirect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Refereeing mistakes are coded purposefully, to replicate reality. AND SO IT SHOULD BE:thup: the ref tonight at porto...........should have booked 5 at least for fouls on fabregas...he didnt thouggh:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzX Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 well - in my first game of FM2010, I got a touchline ban for slagging off the refs in press conferences twice. Tonight, I got offered the chance again to slag the referee off for a "controversial" decision. But I just did a no comment - it turned out it wasn't controversial at all, they were well onside with their goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmitch19 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I love this feature, my only gripe is that it is too realistic, in that no-one seems to understand the "phase of play" element to the offside rule. I've seen goals I'd swear were offside, later indicated as being fine and goals deemed onside when no-ones been offside for 3 or 4 passes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion22 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I`ve gotten around this stupidity by regularly saving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edle Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I`ve gotten around this stupidity by regularly saving. The stupidity of an offical? So you dont play it like real life then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Taylor Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I`ve gotten around this stupidity by regularly saving. So whenever you think you have lost unfairly, you reload...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryn Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Now now Vic, no need to condemn, what's the mantra again......He can play the game anyway he wants, it's his game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Taylor Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Now now Vic, no need to condemn, what's the mantra again......He can play the game anyway he wants, it's his game Correct. :o Doesn't mean I have to throw praise at him for something that can't be seen in any other way but cheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryn Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Fair point but like most people who feel the need to reload and play a game again, they feel they are correcting a wrong. They assume they have been cheated so it's tit for tat. They don't see it as straight up cheating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Taylor Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Fair point but like most people who feel the need to reload and play a game again, they feel they are correcting a wrong. They assume they have been cheated so it's tit for tat. They don't see it as straight up cheating Imo, that's just plain crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Imo, that's just plain crazy. No but I can see where he is coming from. Like an alcoholic won't admit they are alcoholic, they just like a drink. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Taylor Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 No but I can see where he is coming from. Like an alcoholic won't admit they are alcoholic, they just like a drink. A very good comparision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryn Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Must stress that I am neither an alcoholic or a reloader but can certainly see where people come from when they do this. If you feel you have been robbed by a supposedly all seeing / all conquering AI or been denied a win because of your reluctance to factor in a known ME bug, of course you are going to feel cheated and want to right a wrong. Hence the reason why we have people discussing unwinnable games and pre determined results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Taylor Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Must stress that I am neither an alcoholic or a reloader but can certainly see where people come from when they do this. If you feel you have been robbed by a supposedly all seeing / all conquering AI or been denied a win because of your reluctance to factor in a known ME bug, of course you are going to feel cheated and want to right a wrong. Hence the reason why we have people discussing unwinnable games and pre determined results And yet, if the bugs in the ME went in the human manager's favour, I doubt they would then feel the need to right the wrong done to the AI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 And yet, if the bugs in the ME went in the human manager's favour, I doubt they would then feel the need to right the wrong done to the AI. Yes, I mean would they really think "that winning goal I just scored was offside, I shall replay until I don't win" It doesn't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Robbing only happens one way in FM. It's always the game robbing the player, anyone else notice that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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