Norte del Valle Cartel Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 the reason why it happens is because the AMC is basicaly in the way! The strikers move out wide to find space, I did kinda solve this issue but it made the tactic slightly more leaky in defence.Try making the Fullbacks run from deep often, That will make the strikers less likely to run wide because the space is already occupied by the fullback. This might make it less effective in defence though and you might be cought on the counter but it's a useable solution till i have a look properly. Thing is I am not using an AMC when playing away from home (4132) and I have RFD for my full backs set to often when home and mix when away, either way the striker still seems to run to the flag. I have actually managed to create a very solid defence conceding just 2 goals inside 10 matches whilst using very attacking full backs at the same time, something of which pleasantly surprised me. I just am at a loss at the moment in how to stop these wide runs from happening. Just to clarify, 'Moves into channels' does mean that the striker will look to make runs into the space between the centre back and full back and that it does not effect how he moves when he has the ball at his feet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 13, 2010 Author Share Posted August 13, 2010 Thing is I am not using an AMC when playing away from home (4132) and I have RFD for my full backs set to often when home and mix when away, either way the striker still seems to run to the flag. I have actually managed to create a very solid defence conceding just 2 goals inside 10 matches whilst using very attacking full backs at the same time, something of which pleasantly surprised me. I just am at a loss at the moment in how to stop these wide runs from happening. Just to clarify, 'Moves into channels' does mean that the striker will look to make runs into the space between the centre back and full back and that it does not effect how he moves when he has the ball at his feet? you could try putting the strikers on cut inside, That might stop them moving out wide completly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norte del Valle Cartel Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 you could try putting the strikers on cut inside, That might stop them moving out wide completly Yeah I might give that a try and see how what happens my only concern though is if I remove the into channels mode, will this mean he stops looking for the space between the FB and DC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyhugs Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I just tweaked a few things on the unbeaten tactic and i am currently standing leader in turkcell super league with Galatasaray, its my first season and i have not bought any players. Haven't lost a single game since i tweaked it the way i think it would be better. Here is a screen shot from a game stats against Antalyaspor ( they are 5th in the league doing well enough too ) I only played 15 games in the league so far. I will keep playing with the changes i made and if it works well i would like to share it with people too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
syam23 Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 aguero 35m+valencia pato milan offered me 25m i snap him quickly my other signing is De Rossi for 40m+nani i sold berba, quite lot youngster i bought lukaku for 5m =) which is bargain sold chicarito for 12m to chelsea bought also hamsik for 23m im doing superbly both season rooney on fire in 2nd season 60 goals in 41 games lot of assist pato 49 goals in 41 games n aguero 32 goals and 35 assist in 46 games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
syam23 Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 it seems the tactic work well right dave, tactic with winger is always been my favourite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav1979 Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 what team are you going to try testing with,you mentioned a mid prem team,blackburn,bolton???????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 14, 2010 Author Share Posted August 14, 2010 what team are you going to try testing with,you mentioned a mid prem team,blackburn,bolton???????? Everton i've opted for, There a decent team not world class players but decent players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
syam23 Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 we'll looking foward to it =) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sami Hyypia Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 How's it going with Everton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest166 Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Will be glad to play the tactic this weeked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 14, 2010 Author Share Posted August 14, 2010 How's it going with Everton? Not too bad i have changed a few things from the middlesbrough save, The way the wingers play because the build up was far too slow and by the time they had the ball the opponents had 2 men marking them so i have made them slightly more attacking, A few others things but nothing major Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew56 Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 are you going to make a downlaod link for your new tactic ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 14, 2010 Author Share Posted August 14, 2010 are you going to make a downlaod link for your new tactic ? yes when i feel that it is good enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooney_08 Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 will this tactic your releasing be your final one for fm 2010 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav1979 Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 how's it going with everton?the tactic still on par Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 14, 2010 Author Share Posted August 14, 2010 how's it going with everton?the tactic still on par I'm having a complete nightmare to be honest, I started the season with the tactic that i was doing well with boro but it just never worked out at all, I had already deleted all my other tactic bases so i have nothing to work off now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron.e Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 I'm having a complete nightmare to be honest, I started the season with the tactic that i was doing well with boro but it just never worked out at all, I had already deleted all my other tactic bases so i have nothing to work off now. Do you want some of the old 4-1-2-3 tactic to work with? if so i can upload those if you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 14, 2010 Author Share Posted August 14, 2010 Do you want some of the old 4-1-2-3 tactic to work with? if so i can upload those if you want. No it's alright i've been making changes and it's starting to come good now, Panic over! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron.e Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 No it's alright i've been making changes and it's starting to come good now, Panic over! Well done. Any idea when the tactic will come out? only asking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 14, 2010 Author Share Posted August 14, 2010 Well done. Any idea when the tactic will come out? only asking. i'm still hopeing to get something out tomorrow, I will keep this tactic and work on what i have, It's not unbeatable but it's good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron.e Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 i'm still hopeing to get something out tomorrow, I will keep this tactic and work on what i have, It's not unbeatable but it's good! I hope it is tomorrow. I always trust your tactics and no tactic is unbeatable and that's the way it should be!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_magico89 Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 I hope it is tomorrow. I always trust your tactics and no tactic is unbeatable and that's the way it should be!!!!! mr hough. could you also upload your first winger tactic? I mean this 424 which you won the championship with in your tottenham save. maybe we other users can make the defence more solid. I think from the success you had with this tactic, it seems like it has potential to be a so called "unbeatable" tactic. have a nice day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 14, 2010 Author Share Posted August 14, 2010 mr hough. could you also upload your first winger tactic?I mean this 424 which you won the championship with in your tottenham save. maybe we other users can make the defence more solid. I think from the success you had with this tactic, it seems like it has potential to be a so called "unbeatable" tactic. have a nice day I would but i have deleted it off my computer, I have been trying to recreate it but to no avail so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savell Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 I would but i have deleted it off my computer, I have been trying to recreate it but to no avail so far I can provide you with it, only if you would like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyhugs Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 I am about to give up. I tried Classic version for a season and didn't do well and started using avd mod 4132 unbeaten and doing horrible at the moment with Galatasaray... I feel like I should be the leader but I am currently 6th played 26 won 14 tie 6 lost 6 ;/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 it could be your team talks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparta Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 How would you rate your 41122 vs the 4123? On a scale from 1-10 where 1 is really bad tactic and 10 is the 4123:-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 How would you rate your 41122 vs the 4123? On a scale from 1-10 where 1 is really bad tactic and 10 is the 4123:-) I'd say it was proberly about a 7 or 8, I've just got in from work slightly ****ed, LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav1979 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 how you shaping up with the testing with everton,how are you placed in the league,any good cup runs,where are the goals coming from is it the strikers that get the majority(beckford)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3at Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Some guy has posted his tweaky treaky tactic on here a while ago, basicly some modified version of the 4-1-2-1-2 formation from mr hough. Ever since i started using it i have not lost a match so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 how you shaping up with the testing with everton,how are you placed in the league,any good cup runs,where are the goals coming from is it the strikers that get the majority(beckford)? I stopped as i wanted to make the defence rock solid, I am testing with Middlesbrough at the minute. I have nicked the defence for the 4-1-2-1-2 that me and JP woody made, Not sure if you remember it but i tested it with everton unbeaten in 40 odd games and had dozons of clean sheets. It's early days but it's working well at the minute. I have only lost 1 game in 32 league games, 17 points clear at the top. I'm still hoping to get something out today but it might have to be tomorrow at the latest now i wanna fully test this new defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav1979 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 I stopped as i wanted to make the defence rock solid, I am testing with Middlesbrough at the minute.I have nicked the defence for the 4-1-2-1-2 that me and JP woody made, Not sure if you remember it but i tested it with everton unbeaten in 40 odd games and had dozons of clean sheets. It's early days but it's working well at the minute. I have only lost 1 game in 32 league games, 17 points clear at the top. I'm still hoping to get something out today but it might have to be tomorrow at the latest now i wanna fully test this new defence. going quite good then,whats the goals scored and goals against situation looking like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 going quite good then,whats the goals scored and goals against situation looking like I ahve scored in the league 87 goals i have conceded 37, I know my conceded ratio is bad but i have been tweaking alomost every game until i thought of using the defence in the 4-1-2-1-2 tactic that i mentioned earlier, I have played 3 games and with it 2-1 away win at Hull, 1-0 home win against Derby they didn't even have a shot on target, I have just beat West Ham 3-0 in the F.A Cup aswell a full strength team west ham was and they only managed 3 shots on target 0 CCC's compared to my 18 shots 12 on target i didn't create a CCC though. I defo think the defence has improved you can see the difference straight away, As soon as i finish my season with boro i'll post screens and crack on with Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ueein Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 What tactic you consider is the best ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparta Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 I'd say it was proberly about a 7 or 8, I've just got in from work slightly ****ed, LOL Thanks, so to do as good as you can (no matter the formation/style) it's still best to play 4123 then.. :-) And just go this new one if one absolutely want to play wingers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 Thanks, so to do as good as you can (no matter the formation/style) it's still best to play 4123 then.. :-) And just go this new one if one absolutely want to play wingers? No this tactic hopefully will be as good as the 4-1-2-3 i think it's just as good the minute last night it was a 7-8 with the improved defence it's a 9-10 just depends what you like i suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 What tactic you consider is the best ? There are a few, The original 10.3 classic, The 4-1-2-3 unbeaten tactic Mine and JP's tactic.... Take your pick mate there all awesome ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav1979 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 I ahve scored in the league 87 goals i have conceded 37, I know my conceded ratio is bad but i have been tweaking alomost every game until i thought of using the defence in the 4-1-2-1-2 tactic that i mentioned earlier, I have played 3 games and with it 2-1 away win at Hull, 1-0 home win against Derby they didn't even have a shot on target, I have just beat West Ham 3-0 in the F.A Cup aswell a full strength team west ham was and they only managed 3 shots on target 0 CCC's compared to my 18 shots 12 on target i didn't create a CCC though.I defo think the defence has improved you can see the difference straight away, As soon as i finish my season with boro i'll post screens and crack on with Everton. how you looking to set the wingers up,will they be set as wingers,cutting inside any crossing of the ball? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ueein Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 AVD MOD - Mr Hough 4-1-2-3 Unbeaten Final Version. (Crdoba, Oct 2018).tac - I will try this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatOne Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Mr Hough, is your tactic gonna be DR/DL 2 DC 2 MC AML/AMR 2 FC ? please shed me some light cause i am getting rid of my AMC and DMC to suit your formation already Also, gonna get world class AML and AMR (Simply because i've played over 6 months of FM10 without wingers, so much that I want to splurge 80m on 4 wingers) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatOne Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 AVD MOD - Mr Hough 4-1-2-3 Unbeaten Final Version. (Crdoba, Oct 2018).tac - I will try this one. this is the best. IMO better than JP & Woody but hey...JP & Woody is also a legendary tactic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron.e Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 My player 'wants a new challenge' He is my super-star player and captain. What should i do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 My player 'wants a new challenge' He is my super-star player and captain. What should i do? sell him for over the odds and buy someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 how you looking to set the wingers up,will they be set as wingers,cutting inside any crossing of the ball? The wingers are set to normal wingplay and i have crossing on rarely, This is the best trust me they still cross when there wide, I encourage them to play more through balls through Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 Mr Hough, is your tactic gonna beDR/DL 2 DC 2 MC AML/AMR 2 FC ? please shed me some light cause i am getting rid of my AMC and DMC to suit your formation already Also, gonna get world class AML and AMR (Simply because i've played over 6 months of FM10 without wingers, so much that I want to splurge 80m on 4 wingers) The tactic will be exactly how you have said but instead of 2 CM's it's a Dm and a Cm now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron.e Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 sell him for over the odds and buy someone else. Thanks. But what about players that may want a new challenge? does that mean they don't really want to play for the club anymore or are they just saying how they feel short-term? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav1979 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 The wingers are set to normal wingplay and i have crossing on rarely, This is the best trust me they still cross when there wide, I encourage them to play more through balls through i always find it hard to get wingers setup right,with crossing,cut inside v move into channels and forward runs with run with ball often,never get the best out of my wingers,maybe because i create a lot or try to create a lot of 4-1-2-2-1 winger tactics and getting them to interact with the lone striker in the right way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_magico89 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 mr.hough, dont you think, that setting dribblings often for the wingers make them isolate more? for example in my 4231 system, when I especially play against oppositions with good full backs, my wingers often lose the ball immediately when I try to counter the opponent. they get the ball and try to immediately dribble through the opposition area. I know wingers are there, to use that space on the flanks. but even in real life, did you for example see any winger, except messi, who tries to dribble from the own half/from deep positions? I made the experience, that they play much better with dribbling set sometimes, since then theyre also considering the man next to them and pass a lot more than just running like headless chicken up and down and trying to cross, which badly finds the target. I think giving a bit more creativity + dribblings set to sometimes is the best setting for possession play. and something to the passing settings: I know you are a fan of short passings, since nearly in each of your tactics, your offensive players have very short passing settings. but Ive noticed, that this has bad effects on making the killerballs. for example if you give your wingers very short passing + ttb sometimes, than they often run into 3-4 players instead of playing a pass. theyre often running towards the player, they want to pass to, instead of you know holding the ball and passing and than running into advanced area. if you give them normal passing settings, theyre likely to dribble less and make also forward passes. could you explain me, why you did chose these passing settings? have a nice day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ueein Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 This is my Manchester City Team http://shareimage.ro/images/zubko0ro03ahug60cfke.jpg . Need updates ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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