Martin2007rfc Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 nice one m8 wen will it be released the night or the wknd hough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted July 16, 2010 Author Share Posted July 16, 2010 Yes i will be attempting a winger tactic proberly a 4-4-2 or a 5-2-3-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev08 Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Yes i will be attempting a winger tactic proberly a 4-4-2 or a 5-2-3-1 how does that work lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corkey Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 how does that work lol Think he means 4-2-3-1 lol. I would vote for a 4-2-3-1. Yet I think a 4-4-2 is simple and easy to constuct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted July 16, 2010 Author Share Posted July 16, 2010 how does that work lol lmao good question, I meant 4-2-3-1 or it could be a 4-1-3-2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibsweden Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 mibsweden wat version are you using could post it on this page m8? I am using the 4-1-2-1-2, with the changes suggested by Mr Hough in post 3866. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest166 Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 How's it going on with teh tactics Dave ? will we see some new tactics soon ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted July 16, 2010 Author Share Posted July 16, 2010 i'll be making a new thread for the 4-1-2-1-2 but i'm still not totally happy with it, When i am i'll release it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Keaney Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Mr hough, I like many others use your tatic on fm live. In fact I do not play FM anymore due to owning football manager live. The new season is going to start soon and I need a good 4-1-2-1-2 tatic soo please stop being a perfectionest and whip that tatic out!! This weekend please!! Oh just a quick question, I have a player in MC that has low aggression of 8 and tackling of 14 but he gets a yellow card every game and also gets sent of alot, How can I change this taticly. Hes a decent player but his game is being ruined by foul play. I have used all your tatics over a period of time and to be honest with you, I have had some kind of succes with each and every one so hats of sir! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage_McArght Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 San Marino in Serie A? Impossible? Not with your tacitc. I'm using classic.Season 2013/2014: I didn't know that you could play San Marino as a club. You should take charge of the national team as well. Head coach of San Marino x2! Nice Sorry for the off topic. Mr H, youre tactic is really something. Best for fm2010 no doubt. Have been using quite a few of your versions but currently on top of PL, 2023 with Unbeaten Final. Playing as an original Blue Square club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted July 16, 2010 Author Share Posted July 16, 2010 This new 4-1-2-1-2 tactic is coming along excellently i have just beaten Heartha in the Europa league away from home 5-0 Hammered them Completly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest166 Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Sounds great Dave,can't wait for the tactic to taste it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeJebi Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Jesus, can't wait MR Plough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Mr Hough Have you won the league with Everton mate? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jona Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 That is a good new Mr Hough, in my second season with Liverpool I will test this new 4-1-2-1-2 . Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyACE Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Just want to give a tip to everyone. Try setting the passing for the two MCs to the first notch of mixed instead of keeping it on the lowest notch of short. This way it will give your MCs more options and opportunities to make through passes, especially to take advantage of interceptions and launching subsequent counter attacks. I know Mr. Hough set it up in order to keep possession but this tweak shouldn't affect the possession stats too much, especially if you have good passers, meaning they have a passing stat of 15 or higher, decision making 14 or higher, and anticipation 14 or higher. I've been observing my MCs for a while and there are many times when they ignore opportunities to make through passes that would result into excellent scoring chances because their passing is too short. Instead they choose to pass the ball sideways or even backwards to keep possession. Since making the tweak, I've noticed an increase in incisive counter attacks and just greater general attacking flow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
serek Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 One thing I'd like to add: do not overestimate "gelling". Having high stats is more important. Ever since I've started playing as Leeds, every season I've been doing a LOT of swaps, buying and selling a bunch of players. I'm in season 4 now, my second in Premiership, and bought 5 new first team players, after finishing 10 last season. Result? 10 games unbeaten run so far, managed to beat Man U 4:1 and Liverpool 2:0 along the way. Just because I got better players, and even though they're supposed to be "ungelled". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezooner Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 he said a winger tactic ooooow i am waiting a 4-5-1(total possesion domination ^^)(1dmc-2mc-2winger(maybe can be inside forward)-1st)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
~philip Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 hey DirtyACE, this is for the 41212 or 4123? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 Just want to give a tip to everyone. Try setting the passing for the two MCs to the first notch of mixed instead of keeping it on the lowest notch of short. This way it will give your MCs more options and opportunities to make through passes, especially to take advantage of interceptions and launching subsequent counter attacks. I know Mr. Hough set it up in order to keep possession but this tweak shouldn't affect the possession stats too much, especially if you have good passers, meaning they have a passing stat of 15 or higher, decision making 14 or higher, and anticipation 14 or higher.I've been observing my MCs for a while and there are many times when they ignore opportunities to make through passes that would result into excellent scoring chances because their passing is too short. Instead they choose to pass the ball sideways or even backwards to keep possession. Since making the tweak, I've noticed an increase in incisive counter attacks and just greater general attacking flow. I agree with this and it my latest 4-1-2-1-2 the midfielders amc and strikers are on the first Notch of direct which is alot more fluid and presents excellent goal scoring chances, It does give the opposition slightly more possession but i don't mind if I'm winning by 3-4 goals a game which with everton i have been doing regularly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SL Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 do we take one the strikers off support? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Just want to give a tip to everyone. Try setting the passing for the two MCs to the first notch of mixed instead of keeping it on the lowest notch of short. This way it will give your MCs more options and opportunities to make through passes, especially to take advantage of interceptions and launching subsequent counter attacks. I know Mr. Hough set it up in order to keep possession but this tweak shouldn't affect the possession stats too much, especially if you have good passers, meaning they have a passing stat of 15 or higher, decision making 14 or higher, and anticipation 14 or higher.I've been observing my MCs for a while and there are many times when they ignore opportunities to make through passes that would result into excellent scoring chances because their passing is too short. Instead they choose to pass the ball sideways or even backwards to keep possession. Since making the tweak, I've noticed an increase in incisive counter attacks and just greater general attacking flow. I agree with this and it my latest 4-1-2-1-2 the midfielders amc and strikers are on the first Notch of direct which is alot more fluid and presents excellent goal scoring chances, It does give the opposition slightly more possession but i don't mind if I'm winning by 3-4 goals a game which with everton i have been doing regularly so in the classic version it's it will be on 2 notches and the new wizard it be 1 notches ( download these http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=1866 ) just want to know if dune it right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 I'm gonna post up some screenshots after the seasons finshed i've got through 33 games in the league and i'm 7 points clear of 2nd and 9 points clear of 3rd so i'd say the league was mine still in the Europa cup after beating athletico madris 4-2 away in the first leg in the quarters still in the F.A Cup too so it's going strong. I'm gonna do another test though because i've been tweaking throughout the season but what i have now i'm happy with so i wanna do a full season with these settings and see what happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave byrd Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Mr Hough, i'm Oxford in my second season in the Championship. Using 10.3 classic unbeaten final version 4-1-2-3. Doing well and am second, 2 points off the top spot in February. Tactic scores bucket loads but for me leaks bucket loads too. Last year in the Championship i let in 71 goals! Any tips for tightening up at the back? Also, you must get asked this all the time but out of all your tactics which would you say was the best/most effective? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 Mr Hough, i'm Oxford in my second season in the Championship. Using 10.3 classic unbeaten final version 4-1-2-3. Doing well and am second, 2 points off the top spot in February. Tactic scores bucket loads but for me leaks bucket loads too. Last year in the Championship i let in 71 goals! Any tips for tightening up at the back?Also, you must get asked this all the time but out of all your tactics which would you say was the best/most effective? Thanks. I think the best tactic is the one that suits your team best go through the tactics and see which is the best for you and use that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooter7th Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 interesting , very interesting 433 is defo the way to go on fm2010 im in a clan in lower leagues ...first season i used a433 but with wide strikers , based on total football ..i got into the play offs but football was not flowing and season was a struggle constantly tweaking things didnt help but eventually for the next season i think i nailed it i ended up with quite similar to you mr hough mine is a flat narrow 433 , my whole defensive line has b arrows , 2 mids have b arrows and the cm has a f arrow my players / team settings are similar to yours this season i was top ..miles ahead of the guys in our clan i was promoted by february ,loosing only 2 and scoring 145 goals my only problem is my defence concedes alot i have tried man marking and zonal .....which do you prefer /recommend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin2007rfc Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Mr hough wen are you gona post the tactic m8? itching to play a season wi your tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 interesting , very interesting 433 is defo the way to go on fm2010 im in a clan in lower leagues ...first season i used a433 but with wide strikers , based on total football ..i got into the play offs but football was not flowing and season was a struggle constantly tweaking things didnt help but eventually for the next season i think i nailed it i ended up with quite similar to you mr hough mine is a flat narrow 433 , my whole defensive line has b arrows , 2 mids have b arrows and the cm has a f arrow my players / team settings are similar to yours this season i was top ..miles ahead of the guys in our clan i was promoted by february ,loosing only 2 and scoring 145 goals my only problem is my defence concedes alot i have tried man marking and zonal .....which do you prefer /recommend I prefer man marking because i want my players to mark men instead of zones. Have a look at closing down on your players try and aim to have the 2 central defenders 2 mentality clicks away from each other then closing down 1-2 clicks below that also a DM will help massivly and i'm unsure weahter to play him as his mentality is slightly above the highest CD or in the middle of both CD's The reason i'm unsure is that if the DM is in the middle of the CD's then the DM will tuck in and it might be better in defence, Playing him slightly above will help cut balls out so there are advantages and disadvantages you just have to figure them out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 Mr hough wen are you gona post the tactic m8? itching to play a season wi your tactic Definitely not today sorry. I understand your frustration i would be frustrated too but be patient as soon as I'm happy I'll release it for you to look at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin2007rfc Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Definitely not today sorry.I understand your frustration i would be frustrated too but be patient as soon as I'm happy I'll release it for you to look at. np m8 sorry for nagging all the time hope it is soon tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyACE Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 hey DirtyACE, this is for the 41212 or 4123? I'm personally using the 4123, but it doesn't matter, you can apply the tweak to either tactic. so in the classic version it's it will be on 2 notches and the new wizard it be 1 notches ( download these http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=1866 )just want to know if dune it right? Just set the passing for the MCs to the first notch of mixed on either classic or wizard versions, it should make no difference. Or you can try setting it like Mr. Hough has mentioned, on the first notch of direct. The mixed setting will make your MCs do a larger variety of passes as they will decide which to do. With direct setting they'll be more straight forward about what passes to make, however, they may give away the ball more often than they would do with the mixed setting. It just depends on the decision making and anticipation abilities of your players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave byrd Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I think the best tactic is the one that suits your team best go through the tactics and see which is the best for you and use that one. Sorry, but i asked which tactic you thought was your best, not which was best for my team. Also any suggestions on tightening the defense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Just set the passing for the MCs to the first notch of mixed on either classic or wizard versions, it should make no difference. Or you can try setting it like Mr. Hough has mentioned, on the first notch of direct. The mixed setting will make your MCs do a larger variety of passes as they will decide which to do. With direct setting they'll be more straight forward about what passes to make, however, they may give away the ball more often than they would do with the mixed setting. It just depends on the decision making and anticipation abilities of your players oh right i thought u meant on short derrr arnt i. i can see what you mean with it. you could get a lot moor forward thinking balls in stead of sidewards balls n backwards 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave byrd Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I've been using Mr Houghs 10.3 classic 4-1-2-3 to great effect and took Oxford from the blue square prem to the championship in 3 seasons. However once in the championship we struggled in our first season leaking 71 goals at the back and finishing 11th despite being the leagues joint top scorers with 90. Scoring wasn't a problem, we just weren't winning the midfield and were getting caught far too often at the back. The tactic is great if you are Man U or Barcelona but playing as a smaller side it is a struggle against better teams so in my second season i made a few slight tweaks that worked amazingly... *I dropped the centre striker to the middle of a midfield 3 and put a forward arrow on him. *Dropped the team mentality to the first notch of 'attacking'. *Dropped the fullbacks mentality to normal as they had been playing too high up the pitch which proved a disaster time and time again when we lost the ball. *Increased the passing for the left and right MCs to the first notch of 'mixed' Having an extra man in midfield made the world of difference and my team attacked through him whilst he (Bekdemir) still managed to get in the box and score 19 for the season. Final table, a great achievement bearing in mind 5 seasons earlier Oxford were non-league and my entire squad is made up of free transfers: ***EDIT*** No corner cheat used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THFC_100 Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I've been using Mr Houghs 10.3 classic 4-1-2-3 to great effect and took Oxford from the blue square prem to the championship in 3 seasons. However once in the championship we struggled in our first season leaking 71 goals at the back and finishing 11th despite being the leagues joint top scorers with 90.Scoring wasn't a problem, we just weren't winning the midfield and were getting caught far too often at the back. The tactic is great if you are Man U or Barcelona but playing as a smaller side it is a struggle against better teams so in my second season i made a few slight tweaks that worked amazingly... *I dropped the centre striker to the middle of a midfield 3 and put a forward arrow on him. *Dropped the team mentality to the first notch of 'attacking'. *Dropped the fullbacks mentality to normal as they had been playing too high up the pitch which proved a disaster time and time again when we lost the ball. *Increased the passing for the left and right MCs to the first notch of 'mixed' Having an extra man in midfield made the world of difference and my team attacked through him whilst he (Bekdemir) still managed to get in the box and score 19 for the season. Final table, a great achievement bearing in mind 5 seasons earlier Oxford were non-league and my entire squad is made up of free transfers: ***EDIT*** No corner cheat used. So you play a striker in a central midfielders role? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin2007rfc Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 dave byrd could u put the tactic up on here would like to try that m8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave byrd Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 So you play a striker in a central midfielders role? Not quite, the player i played there was an attacking midfielder/forward (Bekdemir) as you can see in the first screenshot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave byrd Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 dave byrd could u put the tactic up on here would like to try that m8? Just follow the instructions in my post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
~philip Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I'm personally using the 4123, but it doesn't matter, you can apply the tweak to either tactic.Just set the passing for the MCs to the first notch of mixed on either classic or wizard versions, it should make no difference. Or you can try setting it like Mr. Hough has mentioned, on the first notch of direct. The mixed setting will make your MCs do a larger variety of passes as they will decide which to do. With direct setting they'll be more straight forward about what passes to make, however, they may give away the ball more often than they would do with the mixed setting. It just depends on the decision making and anticipation abilities of your players omfg, awesome tweak. i'm playing here with sunderland, actually i have van der vaart and hazard as my MC's. just tweaked their passes, and Van der Vaart started making through passes and with this lot's of assits, simply awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauk-Paul Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I've been using Mr Houghs 10.3 classic 4-1-2-3 to great effect and took Oxford from the blue square prem to the championship in 3 seasons. However once in the championship we struggled in our first season leaking 71 goals at the back and finishing 11th despite being the leagues joint top scorers with 90.Scoring wasn't a problem, we just weren't winning the midfield and were getting caught far too often at the back. The tactic is great if you are Man U or Barcelona but playing as a smaller side it is a struggle against better teams so in my second season i made a few slight tweaks that worked amazingly... *I dropped the centre striker to the middle of a midfield 3 and put a forward arrow on him. *Dropped the team mentality to the first notch of 'attacking'. *Dropped the fullbacks mentality to normal as they had been playing too high up the pitch which proved a disaster time and time again when we lost the ball. *Increased the passing for the left and right MCs to the first notch of 'mixed' Having an extra man in midfield made the world of difference and my team attacked through him whilst he (Bekdemir) still managed to get in the box and score 19 for the season. Final table, a great achievement bearing in mind 5 seasons earlier Oxford were non-league and my entire squad is made up of free transfers: ***EDIT*** No corner cheat used. I know this is the Neue.2 skin but how did you get that background into the skin? Please guide me? It looks amazing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 Just doing 1 more test season with tottenham. Even though i won the league by 5 points with everton i'm still not happy so hopefully i will be after this test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauk-Paul Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Just doing 1 more test season with tottenham.Even though i won the league by 5 points with everton i'm still not happy so hopefully i will be after this test. What are you testing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave byrd Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I know this is the Neue.2 skin but how did you get that background into the skin?Please guide me? It looks amazing I just copied a background of my own into the graphics folder overwriting the default one that was already in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooter7th Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I prefer man marking because i want my players to mark men instead of zones.Have a look at closing down on your players try and aim to have the 2 central defenders 2 mentality clicks away from each other then closing down 1-2 clicks below that also a DM will help massivly and i'm unsure weahter to play him as his mentality is slightly above the highest CD or in the middle of both CD's The reason i'm unsure is that if the DM is in the middle of the CD's then the DM will tuck in and it might be better in defence, Playing him slightly above will help cut balls out so there are advantages and disadvantages you just have to figure them out. the reason i dont play man marking cause this is not a run of the mill formation ..it sems to me that if you do man mark your players will get pushed out of position to much in our clan the guy ythat is burton hammered me 9 -0 playing a 442 diamond even thou at the time i had played 25 won 25 thanks for your suggestion , i will try it as men score goals not zones loll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 the reason i dont play man marking cause this is not a run of the mill formation ..it sems to me that if you do man mark your players will get pushed out of position to much in our clan the guy ythat is burton hammered me 9 -0 playing a 442 diamond even thou at the time i had played 25 won 25 thanks for your suggestion , i will try it as men score goals not zones loll Bloody hell he beat you 9-0 what tactic was he using it can't have been just a random 442 diamond i bet he put alot of effort into making it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Mr Hough How many goals did you conceed in your Everton season? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I've been using Mr Houghs 10.3 classic 4-1-2-3 to great effect and took Oxford from the blue square prem to the championship in 3 seasons. However once in the championship we struggled in our first season leaking 71 goals at the back and finishing 11th despite being the leagues joint top scorers with 90.Scoring wasn't a problem, we just weren't winning the midfield and were getting caught far too often at the back. The tactic is great if you are Man U or Barcelona but playing as a smaller side it is a struggle against better teams so in my second season i made a few slight tweaks that worked amazingly... *I dropped the centre striker to the middle of a midfield 3 and put a forward arrow on him. *Dropped the team mentality to the first notch of 'attacking'. *Dropped the fullbacks mentality to normal as they had been playing too high up the pitch which proved a disaster time and time again when we lost the ball. *Increased the passing for the left and right MCs to the first notch of 'mixed' Having an extra man in midfield made the world of difference and my team attacked through him whilst he (Bekdemir) still managed to get in the box and score 19 for the season. ***EDIT*** No corner cheat used. do you mean like this for your full bk Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesadviser Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Cragswfc, what skin are using as for a bad eyesight person like me it is really sharp and clear or are you on a Mac Cheers Bladesadviser Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Cragswfc, what skin are using as for a bad eyesight person like me it is really sharp and clear or are you on a MacCheers Bladesadviser no pc. its fusion you can get it here http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=2526 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyACE Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 omfg, awesome tweak.i'm playing here with sunderland, actually i have van der vaart and hazard as my MC's. just tweaked their passes, and Van der Vaart started making through passes and with this lot's of assits, simply awesome. Thanks. The tweak will take advantage of really good passers like Van der Vaart. It should suit him perfectly. In fact, for him you can try to set the passing on even higher settings of mixed. This will give him an even greater range of passing options. However, keep in mind that the higher settings will make some of his passing pretty long and will also increase in number of aerial passes. If your team doesn't have many good jumpers, then it may do more harm to your overall plan because you'll loose more balls in the air. So if you have small players, especially strikers, then I'd say keep the passing on the lower settings of mixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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