Llew_Arshavin23 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Well, as you can see from the title, it's plain & simple; rate your chosen wonderkid. With Football Manager 2012 fast approaching, I though it would be interesting to see who you think will be rated 'highly' by the numerous SI club & player researchers. They don't have to be a 'Wonderkid', someone like a Hazard, Thiago Alcantara or a Götze, just throw in a players name & PA. Here's a example to get this thread moving; Player Name: Jack Wilshere Club: Arsenal The expected PA (Potential Ability): 180 You could justify your answer but, if you attempt to use that template, it will be muc easier to read. [i'm not sure whether spoilers are needed, I don't think so as we won't be revealing current CA/PA's on FM11, but If we do need to include spoilers, I'm pretty sure one of the moderators will pick up on this.] Enjoy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Lad Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Player Name: Samir Carruthers Club: Aston Villa The expected PA: -10 All this is based on Wallys update of which I am hoping will be similar to the FM12 database because he will turn out to be amazing. Has potential now in real life but like most Villa youngsters not reflected in the game that much. Like Bannan should have been given a better PA in FM11, but I'm not holding my breath. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_bob Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Player Name: Erik Lamela Club: As Roma The expected PA: -10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_bob Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Player Name: Souleymane Coulibaly Club: Tottenham The expected PA: -9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iSohail Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Player Name: Mario Götze Club: B. Dortmund The expected PA: 180 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisHolyHighness Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Player Name: Josh McEachran Club: Chelsea The expected PA: 185 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!.m.! Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 While on this topic could anybody clear up how PA work I understand that it is out of 200, thus 180/200 potential is very good, however what do people mean by -10 or -9? Just that number away from 200 so 190/191? or is it different? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyhanger18 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Negative PA's mean the CA will be randomly assigned between a fixed range, as shown below: -10 170-200 -9 150-180 -8 130-160 -7 110-140 -6 90-120 -5 70-100 -4 50-80 -3 30-60 -2 10-40 -1 0-30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pn75 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Player Name: Louis Laing Club: Sunderland The expected PA: -8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamov10 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Player Name: Gerard Deulofeu Club: Barcelona The expected PA: 190 Player Name: Rafinha Club: Barcelona The expected PA: 180 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlequin Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 There's only been two in this batch that are likely to be close to the mark: - Mario Gotze at 180 - Soulemayne Coulibaly at -9 Wilshere will probably be given a high fixed PA as well, close to Gotze as they're very similar in their level of football and potential currently, 182 might be a bit steep however. Rafinha and Deulofeu should realistically be given a potential of -9; however the last few years the Barca youth have been a little underrated in my opinion. Probably because the researcher finds it hard to justify giving out too many -9's to one club. McEachran will be -9 again, as will Lamela. Carruther's will hopefully be given a -9, but may be given a -8. One I'd like to see: Player Name: Christian Eriksen Club: Ajax Amsterdam Expected PA: 175 I think the potential system needs to be reviewed to be honest. The gap between discerning a player of -9 ability versus -10 is too great. For player's like Wilshere, Gotze, Eriksen and Thiago I feel like they shouldn't be getting -9 because barring some kind of horrific injury they'll all command a PA in the 170's as a minimum value in the future. Yet setting them as -10 is too high as it means they could all receive a potential greater than or equal to Lionel Messi - also unrealistic. So what I'd like to see is set PA's with a dynamic deviation for the players that are likely to be very good in the future, but we don't know whether or not they'll be EXCEPTIONAL. E.g. Thiago - set at 176 with a deviation +/- 8 Wilshere with a set PA of 176 with a set deviation of +/- 6 For young, unproven players like Soulemayne Coulibaly the negative PA system is still totally appropriate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goonerlicious Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 There's only been two in this batch that are likely to be close to the mark:- Mario Gotze at 180 - Soulemayne Coulibaly at -9 Wilshere will probably be given a high fixed PA as well, close to Gotze as they're very similar in their level of football and potential currently, 182 might be a bit steep however. Rafinha and Deulofeu should realistically be given a potential of -9; however the last few years the Barca youth have been a little underrated in my opinion. Probably because the researcher finds it hard to justify giving out too many -9's to one club. McEachran will be -9 again, as will Lamela. Carruther's will hopefully be given a -9, but may be given a -8. One I'd like to see: Player Name: Christian Eriksen Club: Ajax Amsterdam Expected PA: 175 I think the potential system needs to be reviewed to be honest. The gap between discerning a player of -9 ability versus -10 is too great. For player's like Wilshere, Gotze, Eriksen and Thiago I feel like they shouldn't be getting -9 because barring some kind of horrific injury they'll all command a PA in the 170's as a minimum value in the future. Yet setting them as -10 is too high as it means they could all receive a potential greater than or equal to Lionel Messi - also unrealistic. So what I'd like to see is set PA's with a dynamic deviation for the players that are likely to be very good in the future, but we don't know whether or not they'll be EXCEPTIONAL. E.g. Thiago - set at 176 with a deviation +/- 8 Wilshere with a set PA of 176 with a set deviation of +/- 6 For young, unproven players like Soulemayne Coulibaly the negative PA system is still totally appropriate. I was thinking the exact same thing just now but I think a much simpler change is to hange the PA's assigned to the numbers, I think -9 170-184 and -10 185-200 and doesnt matter so much for lower numbers, just a potential PA of 160 for a -9 player is ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo_rune Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I've never really liked the potential system to be honest. We all have young players we like, and we want them to get -10s or -9s. In reality, only a few of them will ever get that good - but if they have a -10 hardcoded in FM, most of them will end up being world class unless the simulation conspires to **** up their development. I understand how they do it this way for gameplay convenience and AI reasons, it just grates on me that I can look at a perfectly good 16 year old kid with a great personality, and go 'Right, you're never going to be good enough to even play in the Conference.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey_g Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 There's only been two in this batch that are likely to be close to the mark:So what I'd like to see is set PA's with a dynamic deviation for the players that are likely to be very good in the future, but we don't know whether or not they'll be EXCEPTIONAL. E.g. Thiago - set at 176 with a deviation +/- 8 Wilshere with a set PA of 176 with a set deviation of +/- 6 For young, unproven players like Soulemayne Coulibaly the negative PA system is still totally appropriate. Really good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraganBC Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Player Name: Lazar Markovic Club: FK Partizan Belgrade The expected PA: -9 Player Name : Filip Jankovic Club : Red Star Belgrade The expected PA : -9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_bob Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Football Manager 2012 Possible Wonderkids: http://www.fmscout.com/a-football-manager-2012-possible-wonderkids.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robioto Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Player Name: Ross Barkley Club: Everton The expected PA (Potential Ability): -10 (maybe -9) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceirdiff Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Player Name: Aaron Ramsey Club: Arsenal The expected PA (Potential Ability): 200 Truth you knowz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robioto Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Player Name: Aaron RamseyClub: Arsenal The expected PA (Potential Ability): 200 Truth you knowz No, that's called delusion. Messi is only about 198 (IIRC) and you seriously think Ramsey will be a better player than Messi? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slawbawn Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 No, that's called delusion. Messi is only about 198 (IIRC) and you seriously think Ramsey will be a better player than Messi? Quite clear that he wasn't being serious.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyosullivan Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Player Name: Ross BarkleyClub: Everton The expected PA (Potential Ability): -10 (maybe -9) Will be interesting to see how good he is in FM12. Along with Raheem Sterling.On a side note, 2 of my mates should be in FM12, both playing for Northern Ireland clubs They're both 17/18. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 this really should be in GP&TG with spoiler alerts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Things Could Get Messi Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Name: Jeffrey Schlupp Club: Leicester CA/PA: you tell me but the boy has talent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Player Name: Ross BarkleyClub: Everton The expected PA (Potential Ability): -10 (maybe -9) No, that's called delusion. Messi is only about 198 (IIRC) and you seriously think Ramsey will be a better player than Messi? I quoted your own post to reply to your other post. Obviously replace Ramsey in the said quote, with Barkley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 this really should be in GP&TG with spoiler alerts. No, I think it is fine in here. Not really doing any harm, just people throwing random guesses at PA's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE-Z Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Connor Coady Liverpool P.A -9 =D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomattano Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Neymar pa-200 rafael pa-185 lucas pa-190 oscar pa-185 hernanes ca-180 pa-190 leandro damiÃo pa-192 casemiro pa-183 adryan pa-188 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManUTactician247 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Player Name: Samir CarruthersClub: Aston Villa The expected PA: -10 All this is based on Wallys update of which I am hoping will be similar to the FM12 database because he will turn out to be amazing. Has potential now in real life but like most Villa youngsters not reflected in the game that much. Like Bannan should have been given a better PA in FM11, but I'm not holding my breath. I almost signed him for my Tamworth side in the BSN, but the board intervened ¬_¬. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich74 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Player Name: Josh McEachranClub: Chelsea The expected PA: 185 what oh my god based on what Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huney Munster Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Emile Heskey CA:100 PA:200000000000000000000000000000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 what oh my god based on what Based on hes a chelsea fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano565 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Will try to inject a dose of realism and remove any bias with my predictions: (It's mostly british players or players i've seen enough of to make an estimate) Wilshere: 178 Gotze: 183 Thiago: 181 Smalling: 170 Jones: 174 Barkley: -9 Eriksen: 176 Ramsey: 169 Neymar: 185 Rodwell: 168 Mceachran: -9 Welbeck: 167 Henderson: 165 Oxlade-Chamberlain: -9 Shaqiri: 177 Lukaku: 173 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomattano Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 neymar 185????? he is CA 185 already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano565 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 neymar 185????? he is CA 185 already How long have you been watching football? A year? 185 CA would make him the 3rd/4th best player in the world: which he isn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tullem Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Football Manager 2012 Possible Wonderkids: http://www.fmscout.com/a-football-manager-2012-possible-wonderkids.html Jake Caskey and Lewis Dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomattano Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 hello guy, i´m love football and i watch very games in brazil and some in the world, one questio : How games of Neymar do you see ??? Your short pass is perfect 20, your long pass is good 17, stamina is monster 20,natural fitness 19, agility 19,aceleration 19, positioning 16, antecipation 18,bravery16, creativy16,first touch18,free kick taking16,penalty16,finish17,techinic19,cross18, Please watch 2 or 3 games him and post again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano565 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 If he has all those stats I'll give you my house for free. I'm making predictions about how the researchers will rate these players, and I stick by my prediction. I don't need to watch 2 or 3 games of him, as i've already watched him around 15 times. He's a very very good player, as reflected by the fact I'd give him a PA of around 185. But you're living in dream world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikeee Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I think the potential system needs to be reviewed to be honest. The gap between discerning a player of -9 ability versus -10 is too great. For player's like Wilshere, Gotze, Eriksen and Thiago I feel like they shouldn't be getting -9 because barring some kind of horrific injury they'll all command a PA in the 170's as a minimum value in the future. Yet setting them as -10 is too high as it means they could all receive a potential greater than or equal to Lionel Messi - also unrealistic. So what I'd like to see is set PA's with a dynamic deviation for the players that are likely to be very good in the future, but we don't know whether or not they'll be EXCEPTIONAL. E.g. Thiago - set at 176 with a deviation +/- 8 Wilshere with a set PA of 176 with a set deviation of +/- 6 For young, unproven players like Soulemayne Coulibaly the negative PA system is still totally appropriate. I've been saying the same for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomattano Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 wow, i dont wanna fight, but its my opinion, i see horribles players in the champion league, hard players,bad,bad.. HERNANES is another player between of the best CA-178 PA-193 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomattano Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Leadro damiao ca-172 pa-186 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikeee Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 wow, i dont wanna fight, but its my opinion, i see horribles players in the champion league, hard players,bad,bad..HERNANES is another player between of the best CA-178 PA-193 That would make him one of the 5 best players in Serie A, and with the potential to be better than Xavi. He's good, but come on For the record I watched him this week against Sporting and for all the hype I was expecting far better. 1 game is a very short sample but he was totally useless against a fairly average opponent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomattano Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I agree, but he plays with average players at Lazio, in my opinion, this game against Sporting, also agree with you, but in the last Serie A championship, in my opinion he was one of the best mud of Musli, I can Swearing but I think the barcelona team a team that has a 2 or 3 great players, the rest are good, but it's enough to stand out from the cracks, now, if for example Hernanes was Chelsea who have the means and strong defense, I'm sure he would set off .. Another example is the Messiah, the selection of Argentina it is the crack, has some good players, but has some medium, making many mistakes happen and disrupt the team ps. excuse my English grammar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Changes from FM11 to FM12. Anyone recently signed by a big club -10, anyone moved from a big club to a smaller one, suddenly rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rnickster Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 What do people think Wojciech Szczesny should be ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eplkewell Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Dominic Oduro Chicago Fire PA: 138 Pace: 20 I'm pretty sure he's the fastest man alive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Szczesny .. wouldnt be surprised if he's given a fixed PA now we've seen what he's made of.. he's going to be a top keeper for many years if given the chance imo , possibly a PA of 169 ramsey will get a fixed PA of around 178 .. fully deserved .. top player fully expect nathan chalobah of chelsea to have a -9 or -10 this time round.. class player who will make an impact next season. gotze and eriksen to be the two of the most highly rated players in the game imo.. (going from how SI judge potentials) phil jones... deserves as high as he can get... never seen such a young player step up to the plate and thrive since giggsy way back when chamberlain will have -10 josh mceachran will have -9 but imo deserves a -10 ... the kid oozes class on the ball and his passes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubentus_Juventus Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Player Name: Frederik Sørensen Club: Juventus The expected PA (Potential Ability): -9 Player Name: Manuel Giandonato Club: Juventus The expected PA (Potential Ability): -9 Player Name: Amauri Club: Juventus The expected PA (Potential Ability): -1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Player Name: Frederik SørensenClub: Juventus The expected PA (Potential Ability): -9 Player Name: Manuel Giandonato Club: Juventus The expected PA (Potential Ability): -9 Player Name: Amauri Club: Juventus The expected PA (Potential Ability): -1 Juventus fan by any chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomattano Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 HERNANES PA-190 Nice goal today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 HERNANES PA-190 Nice goal today Oh dear oh dear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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