adamstudley Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 -10 Aaron Ramsey - Arsenal -9 Anass Achahbar - Feyenoord Adryan - Flamengo Nathan Ake - Chelsea David Alaba - FC Bayern Alphonse Areola - PSG Jordan Ayew - Marseille Ross Barkley - Everton Borja - At Madrid B Dedryck Boyata - Man City Laurentiu Branescu - Juventus Bruma - Sporting Lisbon Jack Butland - Birmingham Adam Campbell - Newcastle Emre Can - FC Bayern Luc Castaignos - Inter Milan Nathaniel Chalobah - Chelsea Alex Chamberlain - Arsenal Amato Ciciretti - Roma Tolga Cigerci - Wolfsburg Francis Coquelin - Arsenal Robbie Cotton - Blackburn Souleymane Coulibaly - Tottenham Thibaut Courtois - Chelsea Lorenzo Crisetig - Inter Milan Muhammed Demirci - Besiktas Denis - Man City Gerard Deulofeu - Barcelona Jean Marie Dongou - Barcelona Alan Dzagoev - CSKA Moscow Stephan El Shaaraway - AC Milan Christian Eriksen - Ajax Fabio - Man Utd Felipe Anderson - Santos Facundo Ferreyra - Banfield Carlos Fierro - CD Guadalajara Tobias Figueiredo - Sporting Lisbon Antoine Griezmann - Real Sociedad Felipe Gutierrez - Universidad Catolica Fabian Himcinschi - Empoli Tiago Iiori - Sporting Lisbon Isco - Malaga Zeli Ismail - Wolves Juan Iturbe - Porto Jano - Spartak Moscow Jese - Real Madrid Juanmi - Malaga Vaclav Kadlec - Sparta Prague Gael Kakuta - Chelsea Tomas Kalas - Chelsea Ricardo Kishna - Ajax Mateo Kovacic - Dinamo Nika Kvekveskiri - Dinamo Tbilisi Zakaria Labyad - PSV Erik Lamela - Roma Leandro - Gremio Chung-Yong Lee - Bolton Luis Guilherme - Botafogo Romelu Lukaku - Chelsea Josh McEachran - Chelsea Roderick Miranda - Benfica Ravel Morrison - Man Utd Iker Muniain - Athletic Club Marc Muniesa - Barcelona Lenny Nangis - Caen Nelson Oliveira - Benfica Mbaya Niang - Caen Hervin Ongenda - PSG Kyriakos Papadopoulos - Schalke Tomas Podstaski - Porto Paul Pogba - Man Utd Diego Polenta - Genoa Andy Polo - Universitario Deportes Giuseppe Prestia - Palermo Bryan Rabello - Colo Colo Rafinha - Barcelona Roberto Firmino - Hoffenheim Jack Robinson - Liverpool Romario - Vitoria Daniele Rugani - Empoli Yaya Sanogo - Auxerre Pablo Sarabia - Getafe Andre Schurrle - Bayer Leverkusen Xherdan Shaqiri - Basel Gylfi Sigurdsson - Hoffenheim Heung-Min Son - Hamburg Raheem Sterling - Liverpool Daniel Sturridge - Chelsea Wojciech Szczesny - Arsenal Lorenzo Tassi - Inter Milan Marc-Andre ter Stegen - Gladbach Thiago - Barcelona Sebastian Toro - Colo Colo Erick Torres - Guadalajara Lacina Traore - Kuban Tony Trindade de Vilhena - Feyenoord Joel Valencia - Zaragoza Raphael Varane - Real Madrid Vitinho - Botafogo Vladimir Weiss - Man City Wellington Silva - Arsenal Connor Wickham - Sunderland Abdallah Yaisien - PSG Under 21 Fixed PA 160+ Mario Gotze – 182 - Borussia Dortmund Neymar – 181 - Santos David deGea – 180 - Manchester United Ganso – 180 - Santos Eden Hazard – 180 - Lille Pato – 180 - AC Milan Mario Balotelli – 178 - Manchester City Jack Wilshere – 177 - Arsenal Stevan Jovetic – 176 - Fiorentina Douglas Costa – 175 - Shakhtar Donetsk Yann M’Vila – 175 - Stade Rennais Toni Kroos – 175 - Bayern Munchen Lucas Moura – 173 - Sao Paulo Andrea Poli – 172 - Sampdoria Thomas Muller – 172 - Bayern Munchen Miguel Medina – 170 - Udinese Gaston Ramirez – 170 - Bologna Mamadou Sakho – 170 - PSG Phil Jones – 170 - Manchester United Giuliano – 170 - Dnipro Abel Hernandez – 169 - Palermo Martin Montoya – 168 - Barcelona Gabriel Torje – 168 - Udinese Rafael – 168 - Manchester United James Rodriguez – 167 - Porto Jose Angel – 167 - Roma Eyal Golasa – 167 - Maccabi Haifa George Wijnaldum – 167 - PSV Sergio Canales – 166 - Real Madrid Andrea Bertolacci – 166 - Roma Chris Smalling – 166 - Manchester United Mario Fernandes – 166 - Gremio Bojan – 166 - Barcelona Konoplyanka – 165 - Dnipro Cesar Azpilicueta – 165 - Marseille Armin Bacinovic – 165 - Palermo Younes Belhanda – 165 - Montpellier Sebastien Corchia – 165 - Sochaux Jack Rodwell – 165 - Everton Kyle Walker – 165 - Tottenham Danilo – 165 - Santos Alex Teixeira – 165 - Shakhtar Donetsk Nicolas Nkoulou – 165 - Marseille Moussa Sissoko – 165 - Toulouse Andre Ayew – 165 - Marseille Federico Casarini – 164 - Bologna Sime Vrsaljko – 164 - Dinamo Alex Sandro – 164 - Porto Alberto Paloschi – 163 - Chievo Davide Santon – 163 - Newcastle Casemiro – 163 - Sao Paulo Oscar – 163 - Internacional Ilkay Gundogan – 162 - Borussia Dortmund Mattia Destro – 162 - Genoa Guido Marilungo – 162 - Atalanta Fabian Delph – 162 - Aston Villa Mateo Musacchio – 162 - Villarreal Ezequiel Munoz – 162 - Palermo Diego Fabbrini – 162 - Udinese Lewis Holtby – 161 - Schalke Jefferson Montero – 161 - Villarreal Ander Herrera – 161 - Athletic Ante Vukusic – 161 Hajduk Rafael Toloi – 161 - Goias Leroy Fer – 161 - FC Twente Stefan Bell – 160 - Mainz Johan Martial – 160 - Stade Brestois Zargo Toure – 160 - Boulogne Rodrigo Alborno – 160 - Inter Nicolas Lodeiro – 160 - Ajax Diego Suarez – 160 - Dynamo Kyiv Andriy Yarmolenko – 160 - Dynamo Kyiv Yaroslav Rakitskyi – 160 - Shakhtar Donetsk Saloman Rondon – 160 - Malaga Marc Bartra – 160 - Barcelona Filip Jankovic – 160 - Red Star Lazar Markovic – 160 - Partizan Stefan Savic – 160 - Manchester City Kevin Strootman – 160 - PSV Oliver Baumann – 160 - Freiburg Magaye Gueye – 160 - Everton Lacazette – 160 - Lyon Lamine Gassama – 160 - Lyon Gueida Fofana – 160 - Lyon Alfred N’Diaye – 160 - Bursaspor Yacine Brahimi – 160 - Stade Rennais Daniel Opare – 160 - Standard Liege Lukman Haruna – 160 - Dynamo Kyiv Kieran Gibbs – 160 - Arsenal Pajtim Kasami – 160 - Fulham Tom Cleverley – 160 - Manchester United Kleber – 160 - Porto Rafael – 160 - Santos Eduardo Salvio – 160 - Atletico Madrid Ryad Boudebouz – 160 - Sochaux Miralem Pjanic – 160 - Roma Alex Smithies – 160 - Huddersfield Town Breno - 160 - Bayern Munchen Maicon - 160 - Lokomotiv Moscow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_Cardinal Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Outstanding effort, and nice one for putting this up so quickly. Ramsey isn't too surprising as he's still not played enough games to undergo any changes, and there's a few players I've never heard of in there but will now have to check out. Finally, I'm delighted with how utterly brilliant Mario Goetze looks now. EDIT - Nice to see Wilshere get a good, guaranteed, high potential as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealdarko665 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Got to say I'm a little disappointed this year, thought there would be more -10s. Plus I can't help but think perhaps Neymar and Kroos should be higher? Still great thread, thanks for getting it up so quick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Button Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Thanks for the thread mate. Well put together! I echo therealdarko665's thoughts, thought there would be a couple more -10's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 What FM was it (FM10?) where by the time the third patch was here, there was around a dozen -10 players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter_Morgan Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 What FM was it (FM10?) where by the time the third patch was here, there was around a dozen -10 players? IIRC by 10.3 there was Lukaku, Areola, Balotelli, Kroos, Salvio and Canales all -10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 IIRC by 10.3 there was Lukaku, Areola, Balotelli, Kroos, Salvio and Canales all -10 And ramsey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEinchy Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 What FM was it (FM10?) where by the time the third patch was here, there was around a dozen -10 players? I remember FM09 had at least five strikers with that PA: Balotelli, Bojan, Saivet, Pato and Vela. Can't remember many of the others, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter_Morgan Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 And ramsey I remember arguments on here about him not being one on FM10, you may be right and he was by 10.3 (don't have the game installed to double check) but I have a feeling he wasn't -10 until FM11 tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegr8anand Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I thought Sturridge would have fixed PA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Nice to see that Isco and Juanmi are both -9's Flying the flag for Málaga! Götze's fixed PA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Plus I can't help but think perhaps Neymar and Kroos should be higher? Still great thread, thanks for getting it up so quick. Regarding Neymar, surely you are joking? With a PA of 181 he will be one of the best players on the game if he reaches that potential!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegr8anand Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Regarding Neymar, surely you are joking? With a PA of 181 he will be one of the best players on the game if he reaches that potential!! Yes he might already have great stats for his CA and if he reaches his PA he could be the best. Guessing as I haven't seen his stats yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballinisahabit90 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Chelsea's youth looks promising this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Henri Saivet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal4life Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Henri Saivet What ever happened to him? I disappointed that some of Arsenal youngsters didn't get higher PA such as Ryo Miyaichi, Hector Bellerin, Jon Toral, Benik Afobe, Chuks Aneke, Emmanuel Frimpong and Joel Campbell And definitely don't like that De Gea is better than Szczęsny, when they are about the same in turns of ability and potential Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 What ever happened to him? I disappointed that some of Arsenal youngsters didn't get higher PA such as Ryo Miyaichi, Hector Bellerin, Jon Toral, Benik Afobe, Chuks Aneke, Emmanuel Frimpong and Joel Campbell And definitely don't like that De Gea is better than Szczęsny, when they are about the same in turns of ability and potential im a huge , huge fan of szczesny ,he's actually my fave keeper around now , so dont get me wrong when i say this... but he is nowhere near De Gea in terms of ability and potential irl .. and i can agree on pa's are a lost more conservative this year,... but all of the players listed above have the potential to be first teamers in game still Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealdarko665 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Regarding Neymar, surely you are joking? With a PA of 181 he will be one of the best players on the game if he reaches that potential!! Watching Neymar I think he could be as good as C Ronaldo, hence I would have thought a slightly higher 180s was on the cards. Still I agree that he could become one of the best forwards in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Zanetti Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 How much are Coutinho, Obi, Bardi, Faraoni and Caldirola? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBunk Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Szezesny no where near De Gea? give over. Both huge talents and not much between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Neymar at 181 is plenty, and extra 10pa makes less difference than some top training management, just means he'll be brilliant if even you dont nurture him quite right. He definitely shouldn't be higher, we haven't actually seen him perform in a top league yet, and there;s plenty of players that completely fail when the reach Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 This isn't the place to be arguing over 'who is better than who'... if you have a problem, then take it to the relevant data issues thread. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 There are currently 56 users browsing this thread Jesus. I have no other words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEinchy Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 What ever happened to him? I disappointed that some of Arsenal youngsters didn't get higher PA such as Ryo Miyaichi, Hector Bellerin, Jon Toral, Benik Afobe, Chuks Aneke, Emmanuel Frimpong and Joel Campbell And definitely don't like that De Gea is better than Szczęsny, when they are about the same in turns of ability and potential The thing about all those kids are that they've either never played a first team game before, or have had very little experience else where which is not enough to warrant anything higher than a -8. Baring in mind that -9 gives you a PA that'd make a player a first team player for any top side in the game, would ten or so games for Feyenoord warrant Miyaichi having that sort of potential, for example? I must say though, I'm quite pelased that Francis Coquelin is a -9. Anyway, to bring up something more relevant to the list: is there any chance it could be sorted by position? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Zanetti Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 By the way where is Lucas? Surely he must be higher than 160 or -9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal4life Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 The thing about all those kids are that they've either never played a first team game before, or have had very little experience else where which is not enough to warrant anything higher than a -8. Baring in mind that -9 gives you a PA that'd make a player a first team player for any top side in the game, would ten or so games for Feyenoord warrant Miyaichi having that sort of potential, for example?I must say though, I'm quite pelased that Francis Coquelin is a -9. Anyway, to bring up something more relevant to the list: is there any chance it could be sorted by position? When ryo played for feyenoord, the media and fans were going crazy over him, calling him Ryodiniho and labeling him the new messi and he would have played a lot more games if he didn't get injured and so yes I do think he should be given a -9 potential and what about players like Raheem Stirling, Adam Campbell and Robbie Cotton who have not played any first team football should they deserve a -9 potential. Also I was very happy about Coquelin aswell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddymunster Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 By the way where is Lucas? Surely he must be higher than 160 or -9 Lucas Moura, 173 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I remember arguments on here about him not being one on FM10, you may be right and he was by 10.3 (don't have the game installed to double check) but I have a feeling he wasn't -10 until FM11 tbh Nope as they didn't make any in 11. He maintained it because of his horrible injury Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamoville Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Oh dear. What is FM's obsession with Ramsey? He's really not all that. How the likes of Thiago is a -9 and Ramsey is a -10 is beyond me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffy89 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Am I missing Paco Alcacer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falahk Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 How much are Coutinho, Obi, Bardi, Faraoni and Caldirola? Coutinho: -8 Obi: 157 Bardi: -8 Faraoni: -7 Caldirola: 144 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEinchy Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Oh dear. What is FM's obsession with Ramsey? He's really not all that. How the likes of Thiago is a -9 and Ramsey is a -10 is beyond me. Someone said this earlier, but I'll repeat it: Ramsey's PA has remained the same since the 10.3 database because of his injury. It'll most likely be changed in the next data update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Someone said this earlier, but I'll repeat it: Ramsey's PA has remained the same since the 10.3 database because of his injury. It'll most likely be changed in the next data update. Yup, although in fairness he has the potential to be a top player, but he definitely lacks constancy, but you can't blame him for under-performing in the current Arsenal turmoil, his performances for Wales have been much better. I'd say a -8 or -9 is fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 -8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Again lads... This isn't the place to debate over what PA/CA you believe a player should have, go to the data forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
suba Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 What's the PA of Leandro Damião? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Glad to see that Gerard Deulofeu is now a -9 too; under-rated in FM11. Francis Coquelin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Zanetti Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Glad to see that Gerard Deulofeu is now a -9 too; under-rated in FM11.Francis Coquelin Deulofeu can never become world class in the game because he has low personal stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlm8695 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Could you please tell me Marco Rojas (melbourne victory) PA? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spector Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Can someone create shortlist for this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Could you please tell me Marco Rojas (melbourne victory) PA? -7 mate lots of char Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llew_Arshavin23 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Deulofeu can never become world class in the game because he has low personal stats. I can't really comment on that as I havn't seen him on FM12 but, in real-life, he is some talent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeesh Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 No i am shocked he isnt in the -9 list. One of the brightest prospects in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LENNYG1 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I Think Ryo Myaichi should be a -9, he was very good on loan in the handful of games he played last year! I also think he should be faster than he is in game seeing as he runs 10.5X 100 metre time. Ramsey should be a -9 I also think Gotze should have an even higher Pa, He is an absolute freak one of the best prospects I have seen in my life! Maybe 185-187 cannot speak higher of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitruc03 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 http://www.gamefront.com/files/20911993/High+PA+U21s.slf Minus the Arsenal lads because I am Arsenal and can't add them to my own shortlist... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I Think Ryo Myaichi should be a -9, he was very good on loan in the handful of games he played last year! I also think he should be faster than he is in game seeing as he runs 10.5X 100 metre time.Ramsey should be a -9 I also think Gotze should have an even higher Pa, He is an absolute freak one of the best prospects I have seen in my life! Maybe 185-187 cannot speak higher of him well he's already the highest rated under 21 player in the game.. 182 is plenty.. and if you look at the way his stats are spread and his current CA .. 182 for PA means he will easily become one of the best in the game... easily shocked eriksen of ajax still has a - potential rating .. he is looking very much one of the best players around, especially for his age... have to agree on ryo ... he looks brilliant and showed some real glimpses of greatness in holland, on most occasions he was the best player on the field in each of the games.. and ramsey will get a fixed pa in the patch im 99% sure of it.... he is a superb talent and will be a top player for years to come and i think will deserve a fixed pa of somewhere in the 170's for sure... im surprised Samed Yesil isnt to be seen on the list though... and from a selfish point of view... its good to see fabian delph with a decent rating... always thought pretty highly of the lad. just my two cents Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hingis Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 If Daniel Opare is 160, Lucas Biglia must have a better rating ! Daniel Opare in real is pants ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I can't really comment on that as I havn't seen him on FM12 but, in real-life, he is some talent I would like to know how you know how good all these young players are? Have you ever seen them play on an even semi-regualr basis, (i doubt that given you are 14 and won't be going off across Europe watching youth football atches), or are you just going off what other people in the media, etc, have said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Zanetti Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I can't really comment on that as I havn't seen him on FM12 but, in real-life, he is some talent this isn't really the place to discuss data, and I can't argue with you because I have barely seen him play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGP Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I thought Sturridge would have fixed PA agree on that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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