Cleon Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Are you suggesting I'm not a proper football fan Cleon? Cos I take offence at that. And I really don't want to take offence at you. But I will if I have to If you want to take offence then do so. I'm not really bothered if you do or don't. And it's not like Spain haven't proven you can win with pretty football. Execption to the rule? Name the last side (not counting Spain) who won an International tournament playing good football? And I'll name twice as many that did it playing 'negative football'. And yes tom, I am one of those Spurs fans who want to see football played in the 'right way' or the 'Spurs way' if you will. As for if I'd prefer England to come 4th playing the right way, I'm really not sure I care enough about England to be bothered about that. I don't believe you. You'd rather win the league and been unpretty that try and be fancy and finish in a Europa League spot. And Spurs haven't finished 4th playing pretty either. I've seen Spurs be quite shocking this season and play ugly football. And grats on been engaged Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernGooner Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Congrats Edgar mate And on the other hand, being an Arsenal fan I know about how football 'should' be played, but if it meant Arsenal playing what some people call 'anti-football' I would take a 1-0 win over a 0-0 draw after having loads of possession. I would rather we win something while parking the bus rather than not winning something playing perfect football. I really don't care just as long as they win. Likewise England, I'm not bothered about how we play just as long as we win, also I thoroughly enjoyed watching Greece with Euro 2004 the way they played. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBainborough Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Obviously the ideal combination is to play attractive football whilst winning however, it is very rare that this actually occurs in football. There are certainly a few exceptions as we look to Barcelona and Spain, but I think it's fair to say that teams are learning how to cope with their approach a lot more effectively and causing them to be less successful in their approach. There are very few teams who can play attractive football in all situations. The aim of a competition is to win and to do so it makes sense to play to your strengths. That said, I'd like to think in these next two games we will see some nice football from England between the front men of Young, Welbeck, Rooney, Chamberlain (if playing) etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathxxx Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Actually what I say goes, I'm incharge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgar555 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Thanks for everyones congrats, much appreciated. I see Michael Ballack has agreed with me today about Englands style. Not sure I should be that happy about that, but I'd say his footballing credentials are pretty strong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 He knows nothing . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Did anyone click that link earlier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I see Michael Ballack has agreed with me today about Englands style. Not sure I should be that happy about that, but I'd say his footballing credentials are pretty strong. No one is actually disagreeing that the style should be better, but you have to work best with what you have available at the time. With the greatest of respect to the old guard, (players such as Gerrard, Parker, and those who would have been at the tournament had they been fit, i.e. Barry and Lampard), they are not good enough to play this lovely little passing game like the Spaniards, Dutch, etc, do. And that is purely down to the way they were coached when they were younger. I've seen this for myself, and it is appalling the way kids are coached at times. I've seen outstanding kids at the age of 16 just dropped because they aren't big and strong, although they are far superior technicians than all the other boys given a chance. It's a damning indicement of our thinking in the past god knows how many years. Now the youngers players who are coming through are better at that style, and hopefully in the next couple of years in the qualifying phase they will be given the chance and time to prove themelves. I am talking about the likes of Wilshere, Clevereley, Jack Rodwell, Ross Barkley, etc, who are all good technicians. Hopefully in the future, and I mean near future, not 20 years down the line, we will see a better style of football. But unfortunately for now we have to make do with what we have, and last night it wasn't pretty, but it was effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgar555 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Now there's something we can agree on tom, the standard of youth coaching in this country is appalling. One thing that Spain, Germany and Holland benefit from is a very high standard of coaching at an early age that emphasises technique over strength and size. Once we get this ingrained in our mentality we'll be sorted (though history suggests that strength, power etc are the English way so it may never change) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernGooner Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I was impressed with Welbeck's link-up play yesterday, very impressive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I have found a song that I have been looking for . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo7 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 No one is actually disagreeing that the style should be better, but you have to work best with what you have available at the time.With the greatest of respect to the old guard, (players such as Gerrard, Parker, and those who would have been at the tournament had they been fit, i.e. Barry and Lampard), they are not good enough to play this lovely little passing game like the Spaniards, Dutch, etc, do. And that is purely down to the way they were coached when they were younger. I've seen this for myself, and it is appalling the way kids are coached at times. I've seen outstanding kids at the age of 16 just dropped because they aren't big and strong, although they are far superior technicians than all the other boys given a chance. It's a damning indicement of our thinking in the past god knows how many years. Now the youngers players who are coming through are better at that style, and hopefully in the next couple of years in the qualifying phase they will be given the chance and time to prove themelves. I am talking about the likes of Wilshere, Clevereley, Jack Rodwell, Ross Barkley, etc, who are all good technicians. Hopefully in the future, and I mean near future, not 20 years down the line, we will see a better style of football. But unfortunately for now we have to make do with what we have, and last night it wasn't pretty, but it was effective. Amen Rome wasn't built in 6 weeks, etc, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBainborough Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Now there's something we can agree on tom, the standard of youth coaching in this country is appalling. One thing that Spain, Germany and Holland benefit from is a very high standard of coaching at an early age that emphasises technique over strength and size. Once we get this ingrained in our mentality we'll be sorted (though history suggests that strength, power etc are the English way so it may never change) It's good to see the FA modifying the coaching courses at the minute to make them more difficult and to be more in depth, particularly the level 1, which is the only, if any, qualification most grass-root coaches have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koma Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I tried to make Euro 2012 U21 XI, I hope you guys can find time to read it. (and I hope that posting links is not forbidden) http://tinyurl.com/d9lrysb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Who might you be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Who might you be? He's a newbie. And it's a nice little article he's written. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Yeah, but newbies don't have more than one post. I didn't want to click on the article. Oh and stop using that smilie please . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koma Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Bah, I don't post that often, I hope some older member can confirm it's not HAZARDhackerVIRUS or something like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 He's a newbie for this thread, I meant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 It's ok Koma. I'm funny about links. I shall still not click it. Tom doesn't like newbies usually so you should be honoured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe__the__man Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 What the **** is going on here. How can anyone sit there and complain. We all went into this tournamet noyt expecting much and why should we. Hodgson hasn't been in the job 2 minutes so he can't work wonders. We played to OUR strengths last night and not to France's. If we went into the gsme and played a neat passing game we would have been beat comprehensively. The fact that we limited France to shots from distance is a fantastic thing defensively. They couldn't break us down and we were so resolute in defence. I don't take this **** of the right way to play. Do you think Chelsea cared how they played football against 0barca and Bayern? No. At the end of the day, winning is all that matters and I could happily sit and watch England play the most boring football on earth and win every game 1-0 in this tournament because if we do, guess what, we win the European Championships!!! Yeah but Edgar already admitted he wasn't a 'fan' of England. I'm sure if he was more of a fan then he wouldn't care and would like to see any winning style of football like the rest of us, but as a spectator with an interest, or whatever, you can understand why he dislikes the style of football. Did anyone click that link earlier? No. I tried to make Euro 2012 U21 XI, I hope you guys can find time to read it. (and I hope that posting links is not forbidden)http://tinyurl.com/d9lrysb Had a skim, will read later probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 It's ok Koma. I'm funny about links. I shall still not click it. Tom doesn't like newbies usually so you should be honoured. You're funny about links? Stop posting gay songs then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Well, that link was the new Forest Away Kit which I like now . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 It's not gay . I just have a weird taste in music which you all know of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I enjoyed reading it Koma Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 It's not gay . I just have a weird taste in music which you all know of. Thought your taste in music was just mainstream crap? I might be wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Nope. I just don't like none of this Moshy stuff that you and SRL seem to like if I'm not mistaken . I have a very weird taste in music. My favourite ever song is Cher- Do You Believe. I think the Lighthouse Family are awesome. Spandau Ballet are good too and is it Boy George/Culture Club's - Karma Chameleon is a good song as well. Enrique Iglesias is ok. I'll listen to anything that I like the sound of tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Nope. I just don't like none of this Moshy stuff that you and SRL seem to like if I'm not mistaken . I have a very weird taste in music. My favourite ever song is Cher- Do You Believe. I think the Lighthouse Family are awesome. Spandau Ballet are good too and is it Boy George/Culture Club's - Karma Chameleon is a good song as well. Enrique Iglesias is ok. I'll listen to anything that I like the sound of tbh. I like heavy rock but my favourite bands are the Doors(got the lead singer tattooed on my chest), Leonard Cohen, Jefferson Airplane, Johnny Cash and Pink Floyd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I like heavy rock but my favourite bands are the Doors(got the lead singer tattooed on my chest), Leonard Cohen, Jefferson Airplane, Johnny Cash and Pink Floyd. The Doors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Just watched the Greece vs Czech game and oh my god, Georgios Samaras is possibly the worst player at the tournament so far! Just horrible! Do you guys know of anyone worse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo7 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Whoever was in goal for Greece was pretty horrendous. Both Czech's goals were savable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I think Petr Cech was pretty poor tbh. Glad to see Powell going to Man Utd, I think he'll be great in 2-3 months once hes dapated. Hope he gets games this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Whoever was in goal for Greece was pretty horrendous. Both Czech's goals were savable. Tbh, thought that the LB was at fault for both goals. He was way too advanced and the Czech RB and AMR had acres of space behind. He was at fault for the Poland goal in their previous game too. Although the keeper could have probably done better. At the other end of the scale though, Tomas Hubschman was rock solid in defense for the Czechs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I think Petr Cech was pretty poor tbh.Glad to see Powell going to Man Utd, I think he'll be great in 2-3 months once hes dapated. Hope he gets games this season. Loving Powell going to Man United will pay for Crewe academy for years. It's great going to all the Crewe games and watching him develop over the season I think he will do well within a season. He can get a bit arsey at times and tries to do everything himself but that is sort of expected from a youngster who is constantly told he will become a great player one day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBainborough Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Tbh, thought that the LB was at fault for both goals. He was way too advanced and the Czech RB and AMR had acres of space behind. He was at fault for the Poland goal in their previous game too. Although the keeper could have probably done better.At the other end of the scale though, Tomas Hubschman was rock solid in defense for the Czechs I didn't watch todays games but I felt that in the first half against Poland, the Greek's left side of defence was very susceptible to attack and a lot of space was found here. Although, this was amended somewhat in the second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Absolutely goosed today . Looking forward to getting to get already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo7 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Redknapp left Spurs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBainborough Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Redknapp left Spurs? Do you have a source? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 edgar will currently be delighted if this is the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo7 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Do you have a source? Turns out the rumour is false. TalkSPORT's sources... :o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBainborough Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Turns out the rumour is false. TalkSPORT's sources... :o Any ideas what it was based on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo7 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 He's got one year left on his contract and I know he wants an extension because he feels the players' respect for him will go if he only has a year left. Something like that. But Redknapps apparently rubbished the rumours, so it's as we were Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe__the__man Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I'll listen to anything that I like the sound of tbh. Surely this is true for everyone? The thing is you don't like the sound of anything unless it's been tailored to sound good to 14 year old girls. NB: seeing as you seem to take everything I say seriously, this probably isn't true. I like heavy rock but my favourite bands are the Doors(got the lead singer tattooed on my chest), Leonard Cohen, Jefferson Airplane, Johnny Cash and Pink Floyd. His name and not just a photo of Jim Morrison I presume? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I have nothing to say apart from this . Completely lost for words pretty much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Surely this is true for everyone? The thing is you don't like the sound of anything unless it's been tailored to sound good to 14 year old girls.NB: seeing as you seem to take everything I say seriously, this probably isn't true. His name and not just a photo of Jim Morrison I presume? It's a tattoo of his face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 What good news? I have no good news :confused:. I just decided to change my location to confident and not bothered if that's what you're referring to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Why would you be lost for words at changing your location on a forum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBainborough Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 This game is opening up lively, cracking goal by Blaszczykowski. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBainborough Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 What good news? I have no good news :confused:. I just decided to change my location to confident and not bothered if that's what you're referring to? I caught the wrong end of the stick. Edited my post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Oh right. The , kind of made it look like I something to say. Nope, I don't. The was a to say that I'm lost for words which isn't usually normal for me. I shall go back and edit my post. AB, I think I've confused people and then confused myself. Edit: I was just replying to Joe. I have no good news. Given up on that girl. Happily be single for the time being. Women only take your money (not being serious). I should have enough confidence tbh. It just vanishes when it comes to certain things. *prepares to be infracted* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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