rammalc Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 started new season with Concord Rangers in BSN , lost first 7 on the trot conceding 37 goals and scoring 6 gone back to previous tactic as really not seeing any signs of cohesion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 started new season with Concord Rangers in BSN , lost first 7 on the trot conceding 37 goals and scoring 6 gone back to previous tactic as really not seeing any signs of cohesion Jesus, Thats is bad. I'm working on it though hopefully i'll come up with something soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoOSTAR Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Jesus, Thats is bad.I'm working on it though hopefully i'll come up with something soon Had something similar with Lille.. In 11 games conceeded 23 goals (scored 32), which was as much as the previous season in total. So weird when I saw your screenshot of Hearts. But I'm confident you will find a solution! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
underkiller Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 The main problem is that i conceeding almost every goal chance against me, even if i have a great defence! You always create a lot, but against top teams away you have no chance! Thank MR Hough, i would be using your 4-1-2-2-1 tactic until the next tactic is out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllInAll Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Damn!! Bayern was 1st before that match... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammalc Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Sorry i didnt keep any screenshots of my disaster earlier but the side i took over had just missed out on the play offs the previous season so thought they'd be an ideal team to test it on . i'd kept the Cena v the rock tact as me second system so swapped across . First game was a 1-0 defeat to League leaders , next a 2-2 with 3rd then a 4 match unbeaten run so team wasnt a bad side . Started a new game now using Cena v the rock and still working a treat but will keep an eye out for any developments you make Mr Hough , keep the faith , i do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 I don't get it because with Hearts my Defence was so good, Oh well i'll come up with something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecoldnoise Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I was struggling with it but then I fixed it with a little change. play super narrow, job is done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecoldnoise Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Won the world cup with England, didn't concede 1 goal in the groups, won the final 6-1 against Germany. lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllInAll Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 That were my results (only 2nd half of season) using Here comes the pain tac. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashwall Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I think I may have figured out the main problem. I think its the midfield. If your DM and CM aren't of a good enough quality teams are over running the defenders. Im not 100% but I think it could be the reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Has anyone used the 4-1-2-2-1 without the corner exploit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drhay53 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Has anyone used the 4-1-2-2-1 without the corner exploit? Yes I set corners to mixed and still scored over 120 goals in the epl with Chelsea. And nobody even attacks anything but the near post so like 60 percent of my corners were useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Yes I set corners to mixed and still scored over 120 goals in the epl with Chelsea. And nobody even attacks anything but the near post so like 60 percent of my corners were useless. Okay thanks mate. Also what match prep is the best to use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 I have gone back to the 4-1-2-2-1 tactic for now, I'm getting abit sick of making tactics at the minute so gonna have a break and see if i can come up with anything in the next patch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I have gone back to the 4-1-2-2-1 tactic for now, I'm getting abit sick of making tactics at the minute so gonna have a break and see if i can come up with anything in the next patch Is the 4-1-2-2-1 your best tactic IYO? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
underkiller Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I have gone back to the 4-1-2-2-1 tactic for now, I'm getting abit sick of making tactics at the minute so gonna have a break and see if i can come up with anything in the next patch Take Care The 4-1-2-2-1 tactic is brilliant so we have nothing to complain about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorsmen Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I have gone back to the 4-1-2-2-1 tactic for now, I'm getting abit sick of making tactics at the minute so gonna have a break and see if i can come up with anything in the next patch What next patch ? i thought 12.2.2 was the final one :s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Would anyone class this as a plug in play, the 4-1-2-2-1? Really struggling to find a good tactic to use for a journeyman save; while not using the corner expliot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
core10 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Would anyone class this as a plug in play, the 4-1-2-2-1?Really struggling to find a good tactic to use for a journeyman save; while not using the corner expliot I used the 4-1-2-2-1 as a plug and play tactic for one season as a test and had a lot of success as have many others as you can see in the screenshots in previous posts within this thread. I would think the 4-1-2-2-1 would work well without the current corner setup, but I haven't tried it with corners setup any other way. When I used the tactic I did score quite a few goals via corners. There are several quality 4-4-2's available in this forum as well as other tactics with 1 striker so there are plenty of effective tactics available at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krysama Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 it didn`t get work in my Rostock... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I used the 4-1-2-2-1 as a plug and play tactic for one season as a test and had a lot of success as have many others as you can see in the screenshots in previous posts within this thread. I would think the 4-1-2-2-1 would work well without the current corner setup, but I haven't tried it with corners setup any other way. When I used the tactic I did score quite a few goals via corners.There are several quality 4-4-2's available in this forum as well as other tactics with 1 striker so there are plenty of effective tactics available at this point. Thanks for the reply! What team did you use it with and how was it defensivly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllInAll Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Decent results there Here comes the pain, can't really complain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesadviser Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Just finished my season with Sheffield United in the Championship with the original tactic on the OP won 40 drew 5 lost 1 reached FA Cup final (still to play) I scored 152 goals in the league and conceded 42 Superb tactic Mr Hough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
serek Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Got to CL quarter final, where I lost to Porto (0:2, 0:0). It's still a tremendous success, but I'm thinking that if both of my good AMLs weren't injured, I'd have put up a better fight. I'm probably going to holiday the rest of season, since I won the league a while ago. Yeah, a little after half of the season. 25 games, 24 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses. 97 scored, 6 conceded. Quality job Hough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiago G. Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Got to CL quarter final, where I lost to Porto (0:2, 0:0). It's still a tremendous success, but I'm thinking that if both of my good AMLs weren't injured, I'd have put up a better fight.I'm probably going to holiday the rest of season, since I won the league a while ago. Yeah, a little after half of the season. 25 games, 24 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses. 97 scored, 6 conceded. Quality job Hough. TACTIC please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
serek Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 The latest one from this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Anyone know of any good OIs to use; when playing tough opponents? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M.F.C Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I read something yesterday night about using the old 4-1-2-3 created by Mr Hough. I can't find this post any more. I wanted to confirm, it's absolutely fabulous to use with the 12.2.2. I've tested it with Lyon, Nantes, Juventus, Marseille and Dortmund. I had only big, big wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legrottaglie33 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Wich one of Mr. Hough old 4-1-2-3? FM 11, FM 12? Maybe you could post a link to the tactic? And also some screenshots of your results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M.F.C Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Wich one of Mr. Hough old 4-1-2-3? FM 11, FM 12? Maybe you could post a link to the tactic?And also some screenshots of your results. FM 2001.... No, it's FM 2012 of course, and it's Mr Hough Rolls Back the Year FM 2012. Somebody yestederday was explaining everything with River Plate, Wrexham, Martigues and some other teams, with more details, cause I won't post mine. It was very impressive results, i tested it, and I just wanted to confirm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
underkiller Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/football-manager-2012-tactics-training/90781-mr-hough-rolls-back-years-fm12.html This tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M.F.C Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Yes this one. I don't know why I can't find this post of yesterday night on this thread. The guy had amazing results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoPrince Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoPrince Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 My results after it are kind of bad, most of my players were injured/tired. I lost in 1/2 finals of CL against Real Madrid. I also won Ligue 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMayhem Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Yea, for some reason the post about "Mr Hough Rolls Back the Years" was deleted. Not sure why as it was an informative post. Testing it now. So far played 4: won 3, drew 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
underkiller Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Yea, for some reason the post about "Mr Hough Rolls Back the Years" was deleted. Not sure why as it was an informative post.Testing it now. So far played 4: won 3, drew 1. Give us an update after 10 games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
underkiller Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Yes this one.I don't know why I can't find this post of yesterday night on this thread. The guy had amazing results. This thread? http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/294522-Mr-Hough-Rolls-Back-The-Years-FM12/page14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
underkiller Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 MR hough: Is the 4-1-2-2-1 a much better tactic than the "Mr Hough Rolls Back The Years FM12" tactic for patch 12.2.2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Is anyone still using the 4-1-2-2-1? If so has anyone used it with a weak team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M.F.C Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Give us an update after 10 games 8 Games with Nantes with Mr Hough Rolls Back the Year FM 2012 in French Ligue 1, season 2. Last 8 games : 7 wins 1 tie: OM - Nantes 0-0 Nantes - Dijon 1-0 Troyes - Nantes 2-4 Nantes - Le Havre 2-0 (cup played with B team) Nantes - Toulouse 2-1 Sochaux - Nantes 0-3 Boulogne - Nantes 1-2 Nantes - Paris SG 3-1 2nd in the league for the moment, 2 points behind Lyon, and I'm just promoted from Ligue 2. Impressive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M.F.C Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 This thread? http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/294522-Mr-Hough-Rolls-Back-The-Years-FM12/page14 Nope. It was on this actual thread, friday night, but deleted on saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmut Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Is anyone still using the 4-1-2-2-1? If so has anyone used it with a weak team? Yes, i'm still using Cena vs Rock (Cena Wins), with team from Polish Ekstraklasa, with very good results. http://fotoo.pl/show.php/208470_legia.jpg.html I've won Polish Supercup, Polish League, and reached Champions League semi-final. Eech team in CL, which played at Pepsi Arena, had lost in Warsaw My salaries per annum level is only about 4 mln euros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Yes, i'm still using Cena vs Rock (Cena Wins), with team from Polish Ekstraklasa, with very good results.http://fotoo.pl/show.php/208470_legia.jpg.html I've won Polish Supercup, Polish League, and reached Champions League semi-final. Eech team in CL, which played at Pepsi Arena, had lost in Warsaw My salaries per annum level is only about 4 mln euros. Okay thanks mate! Did you use any OIs? Also what match prep did you use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmut Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Okay thanks mate!Did you use any OIs? Also what match prep did you use? No prob,, i don't use any OI's, and match preparation is set on "defensive positioning" with workload level "average". In the middle of the field i'm also using more ball winners with good passing skill, than offensive playmakers with high flair or dribbling, for example : Vrdoljak, Borysiuk, Gol triangle in Legia Warsaw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 No prob,, i don't use any OI's, and match preparation is set on "defensive positioning" with workload level "average". In the middle of the field i'm also using more ball winners with good passing skill, than offensive playmakers with high flair or dribbling, for example : Vrdoljak, Borysiuk, Gol triangle in Legia Warsaw. Okay, Well I also think it's logical to 'man-mark' the opposing full-backs with my Wingers when playing tough Opposition.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmut Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Okay, Well I also think it's logical to 'man-mark' the opposing full-backs with my Wingers when playing tough Opposition.... Also, one thing about defending. In original version, marking for two central defenders is probably set on "man marking". Mr Hough have mentioned that for weaker teams more suitable would be "zonal". That helps me a lot, and gives more stability at the back. So finally, defenders have zonal marking, and defensive midfield triangle is set on "man". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter79 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Hi Mr. Hough great tactic the new one. But wanted to know if you tweek something when the AI starts spooting the tactic. Thanks and keep the good work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 What i have been doing over the past few days is taking my 4-1-2-2-1 Cena wins tactic and using that compeltly as a base, Moving the players positions around so it becomes say and 4-1-2-1-2 or a 4-3-1-2. Just seeing how effective the tactic is in different formations. The effectiveness goes down massivly when you change the formation on the 4-1-2-2-1 tactic. I actually think that this 4-1-2-2-1 will be the best tactic i release on the 12.2 patch as the match engine's defence is really hard to combat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jib Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I actually think that this 4-1-2-2-1 will be the best tactic i release on the 12.2 patch as the match engine's defence is really hard to combat. I've got no problems with that, cena wins tactic is awesome, still doing great with it on my Wolves save. Thanks Mr Hough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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