pablo1983 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 the 2 forwards are set to swap places is their a significant benefit of this cause i normally try to use a left footed as my left forward and a right footed forward as my right forward but obviously they are being switched by the tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted May 24, 2012 Author Share Posted May 24, 2012 the 2 forwards are set to swap places is their a significant benefit of this cause i normally try to use a left footed as my left forward and a right footed forward as my right forward but obviously they are being switched by the tactic? The opposition struggles to man mark ST who swap positions, Thats all really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted May 24, 2012 Author Share Posted May 24, 2012 First games I tried these two new ones, and got two draws, one at home and one away. But also won 4-1 away against Napoli i my CL-group for example. But I am to afraid to continue with them, so I am back to 4-1-1-2-2. But what if you change that to 4-1-3-2, which means moving offensive wingers to ML and MR. for away games? Do you think it would work MR. H ? Yeah i think that will work. The advantage of having ML and MR to AML and AMR is tracking back and defending, The ML and MR and more likely to defend better and close down better because they are in that position, Regardless of the Players mentality. Having and AMR and AML highly benefits attack because they are there waiting to attack rather than be in your half defeding like an MR and ML would be. Try it though see how you get on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darius9 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Mr. Hough what kind of match prep would you recommend to your 4-1-2-2-1 and 4-1-1-2-2 tactics? Defensive positioning or Teamwork? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miki maus Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Mr.Hough,can you give us player filters,please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo1983 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Mr Hough what do you do as far as left/right footed forward, with strikers swapping sides, do you put them on opposite to their prefered foot so they switch back on to prefered side or do u start them on thier prefered side, ie left footed striker as STRC so he switches onto the left side, hope what im asking is clear and not too confusing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhyle Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Mr. Hough what kind of match prep would you recommend to your 4-1-2-2-1 and 4-1-1-2-2 tactics? Defensive positioning or Teamwork? These two were always defensive positioning. I was running 4-1-2-2-1 for a long time, and Mr H would always recommend defensive positioning on average workload. I have the same tactic, but instead of the AML and AMR I move them back to ML and MR making it a 4-1-4-1, I only used that on away games. DC and MC's were all on zonal marking. As for the two new tactics, I used them in my quarter final against DC Santos Lagunda (I may have misspelled the last name there) and lost 4-1 away and drew 1-1 home, losing on aggregate 5-1, so that was disappointing. The play at home was much better than the play away, Santos totally dominated me in every respect, I even conceded an own goal by Soares from a Santos corner. Very disappointing bit of play that was, he would normally never do that kind of thing, because he is nearly a 5 star DC. However, in friendlies I drew FC Lorient 4-4 at home, drew Atlas 4-4 at home, and Anderlecht was 4-4 (sorry on mispelling) so, not much to write home about, however the team just got done with the match prep after the last friendly, and I'll reserve judgement until the 10 game mark. So, hopefully these two tactics will get me MLS glory, and hopefully a second US Cup. NACL is tough because the US plays against much better Mexican competition, so my aspirations for that is and has always been quarter finals (board always expects at least quarter finals). The friendlies are ok, I always find that having draws are better than losses, but I like to think I ought to be doing better. Those teams I played, with the exception of Atlas, were larger rep teams, so I should be happy with the draws. The Atlas result bugs me because they are a similar rep team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcotton Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Have just played a complete season with the new tactics. Managing Lincoln City in the BSP and have just finished in top spot. Tactics worked well for me, but you must have good defenders and as with previous tactics DR and DL need high pace and positioning as I found out pretty soon on! Final league figures; P46 W32 D5 L9 GF105 GA58 GD+47 Scoring was not a problem. I had Pablo Counago and Ryan Taylor upfront for nearly every game of the season, finished as the top 2 scorers in the league. Defensively I found that we conceded an awful lot of goals, especially away from home. However, I persevered and resisted the temptation to change and in the end we held out until the end of the season. I will admit though that my defence was not great and this shows. All in all though an excellent tactic, bring on League 2! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhyle Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Ok, my report after 10 games: Anderlecht home game drew 4-4 in a friendly. They are a larger rep team than mine. Atletico Mineiro home game loss 1-2 friendly. They too are a larger rep team than mine. DC Santos Laguna Away game NACL Qtr Final Leg 1, lost 1-4. I presume this is a very good Mexican team, because they tore my team apart. DC Santo Laguna Home game NACL Qtr Final Leg 2, Drew 1-1 lost on aggregate. Like I stated above, this is a very good team, and they even dominated me in this game. I'm happy to get to the Quarter Finals, but I feel like the quality on the team should have advanced to the Semi Final, just bad luck and the match prep had yet to be fully realized. FC Lorient Home game, Friendly dew 1-1 Same rep team I believe, or larger rep, still a decent result. Atlas Home game, Friendly drew 4-4. I believe they were same rep or larger. I am disappointed in this result, I feel I should have won that game. Rayo Home game, Friendly won 3-1. This was a larger rep team and we beat them pretty handily. After the Atlas game, the Match Prep was good, nearly full, and this was the result of it. Chivas USA, Home game MLS Reg Season, Won 7-1. Both strikers got hat tricks, was a brilliant game. New York Home game MLS Reg Season, Won 2-0. This was a Rivalry game, we dominated the game, just unlucky on a few attempts. Chicago Away game MLS Reg Season, Won 5-2. This was another Rivalry game and totally out matched Chicago. They got one of the two goals on a fabulous cross between 3 of my defenders. One of the strikers got a Hat Trick. I am very pleased so far in the first 10 games with the only glaring issue coming during the NACL Qtr Final games, I feel that with the quality of the team I really should have put in a much better show of it than what I did. I lambasted the team afterwards, and they all got very motivated after that, not a single player was upset at the lambasting. So, I knew it was a player issue, they just didn't perform. It could have been the over 2k miles they had to travel for the first game, a Santos home game, and then the 2k miles back to our home stadium. Mr. H I feel these two tactics so far work very well, with my best results coming in the regular season, with 14 goals for and only 3 conceded, I'm the best in the MLS at the moment (season is still young though). I'm hoping an English, German, or French team asks me for a contract after this season, but I will wait for that until I've won the MLS Cup at least once. I'm expecting my second US Cup this season, with an MLS Cup as well otherwise the season would be for naught. As long as the US Cup remains mine again, I'll be satisfied with how the team performed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlcOhOliCEdDy Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 this formation doesnt seem to work if you go on holiday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 this formation doesnt seem to work if you go on holiday Where to even start with a comment like that...I do have a fix though, take your head and remove it from your rectum Seriously though, the tactic might be doing brilliantly on holiday - how do you know it isn't the fault of the team talks being done? or the lack of a manager? or that your assistants reputation isn't good enough? or that team moral is down? or that an individual is causing dressing room problems because he's unhappy? Bottom line - if you aren't managing your team, how do you possibly know the tactic is at fault for a poor result? You cant! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jib Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 this formation doesnt seem to work if you go on holiday lol what a joke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcotton Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 this formation doesnt seem to work if you go on holiday Who goes on holiday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pistolero Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 This is really rather good. Just finished 6th with Ipswich in my first season in the Prem. 3rd highest scorers in the league; but sort of middle of the table in terms of goals conceded. I found the tactics don't really work against the top sides - don't think I beat any of the five sides above me all season. It can be a little bit leaky so I might adopt a new tactic next season to play against the big sides. Essentially this is counter-attacking at its finest though. Its rare for me to have 45%+ possession in a game yet I create chances galore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhyle Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 This is really rather good. Just finished 6th with Ipswich in my first season in the Prem.3rd highest scorers in the league; but sort of middle of the table in terms of goals conceded. I found the tactics don't really work against the top sides - don't think I beat any of the five sides above me all season. It can be a little bit leaky so I might adopt a new tactic next season to play against the big sides. Essentially this is counter-attacking at its finest though. Its rare for me to have 45%+ possession in a game yet I create chances galore. It could also be quality of players. I have mostly 4 to 4 1/2 star players with pretty darn good stats for my New England team (MLS). I notice during games that if I have players out there that are below 3 stars in rating, they struggle with actually playing the game. I'm sure you are doing the normal things we all do when it comes to managing, but I make sure the morale is high, and I get rid of dead weight and head hunt for great talent that I can afford. When I off load dead weight, I'll either sell them, or transfer them gaining a player of equal quality in return. I also use a a very awesome assistant manager Graham Kavanagh, who by himself, ensures the morale is at it's top. Also, my team isn't a top team in the MLS either. Every year we are predicted to be bottom feeders, and every year we are in either the Qtr Final or Semi Final. I'm on pace to win the MLS and on pace to win my second US Cup in a row. You have to ensure you are using away tactic when on away games, and home tactic when at home or it'll be bad results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pistolero Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 What do you mean 'home tactic' and 'away tactic'? I was praising this anyway - I just came 6th with Ipswich in my first Prem season! The only thing that is inconsistent is a) the defence and b) results against the top teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhyle Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 What do you mean 'home tactic' and 'away tactic'?I was praising this anyway - I just came 6th with Ipswich in my first Prem season! The only thing that is inconsistent is a) the defence and b) results against the top teams. Oh I don't mean to take anything away from your accomplishment, I do apologize if it came off that way. There are two tactics that Mr. H released, one is the home tactic, the other is the away tactic. You use the home tactic when at home, and the away tactic when at away games, that's what I meant. Los Angeles is the top team in the MLS, and I got a draw against them. In all respects I should have won, because I was pretty dominate, the players just didn't perform for one reason or another. It does work well against top teams, but I think it's dependent on whether the players show up to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekoil Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 this formation doesnt seem to work if you go on holiday Thanks for the tip. I'm going to Tenerife next week and was going to take my laptop with me but I'll not bother now. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogiept Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Thanks for the tip. I'm going to Tenerife next week and was going to take my laptop with me but I'll not bother now. Thanks lol!!! Epic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevunited Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Thanks for the tip. I'm going to Tenerife next week and was going to take my laptop with me but I'll not bother now. Thanks brilliant :L Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllInAll Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 The funny thing is, in my last 3 seasons (I'm in 2027 btw) I got 3 different teams, and there are so much regens in the game, that I got bored pretty fast with them. Plus that home and away tactic it is even more boring, it is blitzing the opponnent everytime and often already in the 1st 5 minutes of a match. So I holidayed almost every match except above the quarter finals of a cup, (changed for home and away games obv.) or the last 5 league games if I'm not already champions, which is very seldom. In 2 seasons of the 3 I got the treble, in the other the double... So you just don't do a thing in FM other than plug the tactic in, or you won't ever get success because with any tactic because you don't have any clue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubisch Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Weird it's so good for you AllInAll, because I did not find it very successful the new Home and Away tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Can someone let me know wher i can find the new home and away tactics please,,,,,,i cant find them in the OP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoV Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Can someone let me know wher i can find the new home and away tactics please,,,,,,i cant find them in the OP You will find it on page 8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 You will find it on page 8. Thanks,,,, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhyle Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 After 25 games, I finally lost a game to Los Angeles Galaxy, a rival to my New England Revolution side. The main reason for the loss would be a fitness issue that was the result of having to play 6 games in a row with only 2 days of rest between them, and having 3 of my starting 11 called up to the USA National team, 2 for Ghana, 1 for Qatar, and another for Morocco. So, I can honestly state that the tactics work, for me at least, but tactics can only get so far. They are merely an aid for the team, because the players themselves have to be able to perform effectively against the competition they face. So for those that are getting results they don't care for, I would not blame the tactics, I would look toward the players ability and fitness. Fixing the situation so that your talent is equal or better than the competition they face would be good, and making sure the team work match prep is on average. Once the match prep is full and your players can compete, you should see very good results. I went on a 34 or so game win streak with a 20 game shutout streak where I didn't allow a single goal in 20 games. I'm very happy with the tactics, and wanted to share my 25 game experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnK41.int Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Thanks for the tip. I'm going to Tenerife next week and was going to take my laptop with me but I'll not bother now. Thanks LOL nice ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammalc Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Was getting bored after taking Derby County to 6 successive titles using Cena v the rock so decided to give this a whirl using a new team . resigned from Derby and took over newly promoted Everton , first season finished 5th and since then had 2 titles , 2 FA Cups , 1 League Cup and Community Shield . I get the occassional mauling against a top team and a frustrating draw or two against lesser sides but all in all a great pair of tactics . Just started a new season with a Community Shield win 3-0 against Chelsea and a 6-0 league win against Man Utd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammalc Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 one thing i should add i noticed is the unusual amount of fairly poor first half performances where an aggressive half time talk turns around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleynasdad Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Im nearly half way into my second season as manager of Linense, using one of the tika taka tactics. We have one of the worst squads and was finding that although we were mid table in the Adelante (won 2B quite easily first season) we were not dominating games as before. So Ive decided tor un two parallel games, one with the tika taka tactic and one with Daves new tactics. I have no control over pitch size as we are sharing a ground as ours is seated and my squad has two many normal CMs and not enough STs in it. Also the team is used to the tika taka. One game so far.. away at league leaders Alcoyano.... tika taka won 2-0, daves won 2-1... both good results. Will run both for ten games and Ill let you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohitstrue! Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Here is my New Home and Away Tactic Set.Home tactic is used solely for Home games and Away Tactic is used for all away games and if 'YOU' feel you need some extra protection at Home use the away tactic. here is something i have been doing at home, If i have a good lead like 3/4-0 i change to the away tactic to make sure i don't concede, Now this don't work all the time but alot of the time it does make sure i don't concede and also adds a few goals too. Be careful if you do this though because it can backfire and invite more pressure onto you. I have been using Match Prep 'Teamwork' i used to use Defensive Positioning but i have found that Team work is best for overall Match Prep I don't follow any particular Team Talks, All i do and this has worked for me is Simple, Hire an Assistant Coach that has high 'Motivation' 'Man Management' 'Discipline' and 'Determination' Minimum Pitch Size I'm not sure if there is any other information i can give. Enjoy the tactic's HOME TACTIC http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/66535381/file.html AWAY TACTIC http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/67812193/file.html I'll upload some screens later on tonight. I'll also do some fresh player Filters and Put them up you not gonna put this on the front OP Dave? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broeckie84 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Tottenham 2014 : Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fm_freak Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Tottenham 2014 : Are you using corner glitch? And what tactic is this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibro46 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 mr hough is this 4-1-2-2-1 better than your 4-1-2-3 rolls back the year??? and would be good (4-1-2-2-1) in the 12.0.4 patch ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broeckie84 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 @ fm freak : its the 'here comes the pain ' tactic . i'm now in februari , and i score 30 goals from a corner . At the end of the season i wil post new screens ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdodge Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Going to give the home and away tactics a try in a new save with Stockport County in the BSP will let you know how it goes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craglyboy Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Using the 41221 version with zonal marking CB's and its is mind blowingly good really enjoy the way they work the ball around and the ease of which they defend. Granted I am using Man Utd I joined them in the 3rd season after winning everything with wolves and the FuSStidious tactic. I normally only use fuss for the last two seasons really but wanted a formation like this and it is simply fantastic. Only thing is I do score alot of corners I think I have only won 2 games due to corners though so not a great amount really. The draw was really annoying I have to say also. Wolves were my old team and are easily pushing for champions league still, I was 3-0 up in the 80th minute and used all my subs fabio got injured. i Moved my DMC to LB and left the formation to look like 4221 so the norm without the DMC, they scored 3 goals in the last 10 minutes and ruined my day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YBK Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Mr. Hough, I want you to be aware of that your Boots to Asses with defensive tweaks tactic is still by far the best tactic for 12.2.2. I started a new save with Swansea and look what happened on the first official game of my save with the original Swansea squad. I also believe that my team talk before the game affected the result. before game : assertive - go out there and impress me. half time: assertive - I'm happy with your performance so far, keep it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Mr. Hough, I want you to be aware of that your Boots to Asses with defensive tweaks tactic is still by far the best tactic for 12.2.2.I started a new save with Swansea and look what happened on the first official game of my save with the original Swansea squad. I also believe that my team talk before the game affected the result. before game : assertive - go out there and impress me. half time: assertive - I'm happy with your performance so far, keep it up. Is that the tactic from FM 11; the 4-1-2-2-1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YBK Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Is that the tactic from FM 11; the 4-1-2-2-1? Boots to Asses with defensive tweaks tactic. It's a 41221 but I remember it as a FM12 tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Boots to Asses with defensive tweaks tactic. It's a 41221 but I remember it as a FM12 tactic. Can you show me the defensive tweak link? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Can you show me the defensive tweak link?Cheers Nevermind; ive already got it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoOSTAR Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Nevermind; ive already got it It's the link in the topic he made for the tactic, and you have to adjust the defensive settings yourself I guess? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Boots to Asses with defensive tweaks tactic. It's a 41221 but I remember it as a FM12 tactic. How much deos it rely on the corner glitch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Mr.Hough...anything new in the pipeline? Or at least which tactic of those released on this forum are you now having success with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YBK Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 How much deos it rely on the corner glitch? None of the goals scored from a corner in the Chelsea game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted June 5, 2012 Author Share Posted June 5, 2012 Mr.Hough...anything new in the pipeline?Or at least which tactic of those released on this forum are you now having success with? I'm looking at getting out a 4-1-2-3 just testing it at the minute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luton Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Does anyone know where i can download Boots to Asses with defensive tweaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 None of the goals scored from a corner in the Chelsea game. How have you progressed with Swansea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 Testing in the new tactic is going very well. I am currently testing with Everton and it's a 4-1-2-3 formation. I have been changing it to a 4-2-1-3 formation with 2 DM's and 1 CM against sides that are playing with more that 1 AMC. Working well I am currently 7 Points Clear in the League after 13 games Won 10 drawn 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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