Cerebro Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 As we take leave of the Euro, we see rather the feeling of emptiness that leave the players that we like. Modric, of course, is the chief reference. On the opposite, what disappointed me most was Eriksen, almost attacking midfielder second striker in Denmark. I'm thinking that the place where we see this talent emerge during the season can sometimes create optical illusions. In this respect, the Dutch League (defensively weak) is that the more tricks. I do not think Eriksen, star of Ajax, is one such case, but thought provoking. Low intensity, speed of execution between the lines. High intensity: positional play without depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 While he disappointed me as well, I think the guy was just exhausted after a long season. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's looked great whenever I've seen him play for Ajax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebro Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Without doubt, expect much from him and just did not show anything, embedded in a team that even had moments of good football. Maybe that's the explanation, but the Dutch league is not a perfect scenario to evaluate the real offensive capability of a player. I'll be very careful ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 It's not just the league, though. I remember him having a couple of good games against United in the Europa League as well. A lot of players don't play as well for their national teams as they do for their clubs. Just look at the majority of the English national team. Also, Eriksen is 20. One tournament at such a young age is not what I'll judge him on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Geez, give the bloke a chance will you? He played very well for Ajax, in a system that complements his strong points. Weak league or not, he did very well for a 20 year old. Expecting him to excel in his very first international tournament, playing out of position in a team that can't compare to his club, is harsh to the extreme, or short-sighted even. Don't you worry, after next season the moneybags of Europe will be lining up for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebro Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 I hope so, but when it comes to young players, was the biggest disappointment of the tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I hope so, but when it comes to young players, was the biggest disappointment of the tournament. Why? Because he played good-not-great in a good-not-great side? What did you expect, that he was gonna single-handedly play Denmark into the final? Calling him the biggest disappointment of the tournament says more about your expectations than about Eriksen, frankly. They may have been a tad unrealistic. Or in short, what DJ said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I hope so, but when it comes to young players, was the biggest disappointment of the tournament. I raise you a Willems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanista1994 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I raise you a Willems Were there any expectations for him pre-tournament? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebro Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Willems, has many mitigating factors. It wasn`t a disappointment because it was not yet prepared to be thrown to the wolves. In this case the main responsibility was his coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Eriksen was disappointing but ffs, he's 20, and he was playing for a fairly average team against 2 of the tournaments semi finalists (one potential finalist) and The Netherlands. Plus, as pointed out, he was probably pretty shattered after the season. "Talent in doubt" ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 There was criticism thrown at him last season from a few Dutch people I know that, obviously he is talented but he can give the ball away cheaply at times. He's only 20 though, hard to criticise him already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I raise you a Willems Willems turned 18 this year ffs With regards to the OP, no he isn't a talent in doubt. Next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nørbæk Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 In my opinion Eriksen is overrated. His comparison with the great Michael Laudrup is uncalled for. He will never be nearly as good. I see Eriksen as a verg good player for his age but at the moment he's just a squad player for Denmark. He rarely plays well for us. It seems as thou we really, really, really, needed a young player breaking through and thus he has been over hyped massively. I don't see him in any of the top clubs irl at any stage of his career, but I hope I'm wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nørbæk Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Why? Because he played good-not-great in a good-not-great side? Apart from Simon Poulsen at left back, Eriksen was pretty much our worst player in all 3 matches. If he'd played well during the first two matches, I know Morten Olsen well enough to not move Eriksen onto Aa new position in our last match. In which he was even worse. I frankly can't see that he played 'good-not-great' at any stage. He was atrocious, unfortunately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookieman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 20 and playing in the hole against Holland, Portugal and Germany, I'm not surprised he struggled. The talent is there he just needs a couple of more years to develop further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Eriksen was disappointing just like he was at last year's U21 Euros... and if this time around there's the "excuse" of being young and playing against superior opponents, he should have at least been the star of the team. While last year he didn't even shine much while facing same-age players from weaker/similar nations. Frankly from a kid who's been hyped so much [also in FM terms ] we've seen very little indeed, if we don't count the Dutch league, which is the Brazilian league of Europe... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nørbæk Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 20 and playing in the hole against Holland, Portugal and Germany, I'm not surprised he struggled. The talent is there he just needs a couple of more years to develop further. He didn't. He played AMR vs Germany. And struggled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nørbæk Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Eriksen was disappointing just like he was at last year's U21 Euros... and if this time around there's the "excuse" of being young and playing against superior opponents, he should have at least been the star of the team.While last year he didn't even shine much while facing same-age players from weaker/similar nations. Frankly from a kid who's been hyped so much [also in FM terms ] we've seen very little indeed, if we don't count the Dutch league, which is the Brazilian league of Europe... I agree. And he rarely scores. Comparing him to the great Michael Laudrup, who made his debut on his 18th birthday and naturally scored, Laudrup scored 9 in his first 9 internationals. In 26 matches for Denmark, Eriksen has scored 2. There's no comparison really. Don't get me wrong, Eriksen is very good for his age. He is just over hyped massively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 29, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 29, 2012 Eriksen played a very high amount of games, and in hindsight shouldn't have been going to the Euros at all. He's already a good player, and does have the potential to be a lot better and should succeed at a great club. He's already a good player, at age 20, at Ajax - so he's fine. He does still lack that little bit extra but this is something that should ideally develop between now and the next 2-3 seasons. (eg. goalscoring) Don't forget that this is his 2nd proper season as a starter and he has played a very high amount of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 29, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 29, 2012 I think Laudrup was a more attacking player in general. Eriksen has scored 7 goals this past season, which is not bad (not great) - but did manage to give 15 assists, which is quite decent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nørbæk Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Eriksen played a very high amount of games, and in hindsight shouldn't have been going to the Euros at all. He's already a good player, and does have the potential to be a lot better and should succeed at a great club. He's already a good player, at age 20, at Ajax - so he's fine. He does still lack that little bit extra but this is something that should ideally develop between now and the next 2-3 seasons. (eg. goalscoring)Don't forget that this is his 2nd proper season as a starter and he has played a very high amount of games. I really hope you're right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orzelek Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I agree. And he rarely scores. Comparing him to the great Michael Laudrup, who made his debut on his 18th birthday and naturally scored, Laudrup scored 9 in his first 9 internationals. In 26 matches for Denmark, Eriksen has scored 2.There's no comparison really. Don't get me wrong, Eriksen is very good for his age. He is just over hyped massively. I think you're right. The Danish team has been lacking a creative midtfielder since Laudrup stopped so the hype about Eriksen was massive. And since he has played great for Ajax and quite well for Denmark, I can understand the press and the fans. But at this tournament he showed absolutely nothing It's on the other hand still way too early to doubt his talent as such. Even great players has had a crappy tournament during their career, so let's wait and see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 yes, i was looking forward to watching him too and he was a total non entity. personally, i think his talent is in doubt. he will probably turn out decent, but cant see him playing for the likes of madrid/man u et al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jeroen Thijssen Posted June 29, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted June 29, 2012 I really hope you're right Well, I don't think he'll be a star at Real Madrid or Barcelona or anything like that - but eg. Real Madrid have someone like Altintop... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 There will always be a doubt over his talent whilst he continues to play in Holland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 There will always be a doubt over his talent whilst he continues to play in Holland. Playing in Holland equals not being talented? Ibrahimovic (and a score of other players) would have something to say about that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Playing in Holland equals not being talented? Ibrahimovic (and a score of other players) would have something to say about that Ibra's God though, tbf Yeah, I don't see why playing in Holland doesn't mean he's talented. It's clear to see he has potential, whether or not he fulfills it is another question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikeee Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Plenty of players have flopped in international tournaments as youngsters then went on to great things. I wasn't born yet at the time but didn't Maradona have a poor 1982 World Cup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nørbæk Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I wasn't born yet at the time but didn't Maradona have a poor 1982 World Cup? Got two goals in five matches. Not that bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I didn't say he wasn't talented, just that there are doubts over how talented he is whilst he continues to play in such a league as the Dutch one, when/if he goes to a proper league we'll see how good he really is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I didn't say he wasn't talented, just that there are doubts over how talented he is whilst he continues to play in such a league as the Dutch one, when/if he goes to a proper league we'll see how good he really is. That just doesn't make sense. Ibra was playing in the Dutch league and the moneybags didn't doubt his talent for a second, came running as soon as he scored a few goals. You'll see, it's the same with Eriksen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Dave Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 did nothing at wc 2010 or euro 2012 - is ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wallin Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 That just doesn't make sense. Ibra was playing in the Dutch league and the moneybags didn't doubt his talent for a second, came running as soon as he scored a few goals. You'll see, it's the same with Eriksen. Actually it does make some sense. The Dutch league is perceived by many as quite inferior defensively to the other major European leagues and that do affect how people view attacking players exploits in it. And your comparison is somewhat off as the Dutch league has, from what I can see at least, lost quite a bit in reputation in the 8 years since Ibrahimovic left, and he also had his month old performance at the 2004 Euros that helped inflate his price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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