Sheps. Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's a possession game. This is the thing. At first I thought it must be an instruction from van Gaal to play it safe, but as we've seen with Carrick and Schweinsteiger playing together, both are looking to make forward passes and move the ball into the attacking players. Schneiderlin has a pretty good passing range, so it's not like he isn't capable of doing that either. Just think it's poor from him really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 this is not going to change until rooney is gone. a good, clinical striker and we'd have won that easily and early on. it's that simple. de gea wouldn't have been beaten for those goals either, but that's not the main problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxToBox Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Well, perhaps Neymar tomorrow will fix things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 So we lost the game because the opposition tried something different. How dare they. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Even swap Rooney for Gomis and we win that today. More or less three 1 on 1s he wasted. Not to mention the **** ball Swansea broke from. Kane. Kane. Kane! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Neville not happy Saying what we all are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Neville not happy Saying what we all are. He won;t be slagging off Rooney though? Meets up with him soon with England. He's been doing his best Rooney impression this season anyway. He would have finished at least one of those chances today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 He won;t be slagging off Rooney though? Meets up with him soon with England. The best he did was say we have to buy a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Net Spend Tony Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's a possession game. It's what you do with the ball that counts, next pass should be a forward pass but some managers are possession obsessed and rather play percentage football and just keep the ball at walking pace. United have always played football at pace, personal changed but the style never changed it was always one or two touch passing give and go with pace it was constant pressure and teams eventually caved in because United had worn out the opposition. I keep believe people saying some new signings have dissapointed after being at the club around a month, I though it was just a Liverpool thing . I think have to give credit to teams like Southampton, Palace and Swansea who are all improving at a quicker rate than Liverpool, United and Spurs are especially when you look at the funds those sides have. I think if you look at the results you and ourselves have to be thankful as it could have been a lot worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Also seems that the Spanish Window closes tomorrow, not Tuesday like the Prem. So DDG will be tomorrow or never* *Never meaning Jan or next summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Too late to even get Lloris in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 ****! We were doing alright up until they made it 1-1, after that you just knew we'd go on to lose the game. Today was our first real proper test of the season imo, Swansea away and we've failed. Let down in two areas, ST and GK. If we had DDG in goal they wouldn't have scored the second, first goal was a good header that Romero nearly got to in fairness, can't be too harsh on him for that one I don't think. He made a huge mess of trying to stop the second goal mind, DDG would have saved that with his feet, no idea why Romero didn't try and do the same. He's had next to nothing to do so far this season but today he's cost us a goal that he should have easily saved. Rooney simply can't be leading the line for us on a consistent basis anymore. The Spurs game where he took a touch on a pass inside 5 yards from the goal instead of shooting first time and then today where he did brilliantly to beat two players to create the chance for himself only to then take 10 minutes before even going for the shot and then getting tackled. Got to put that chance away and get us a 2-2 draw, which would have been a good result. Three chances he had today inside the box and no goals. LvG's 'philosophy' seems to be: Start brightly for around 20 minutes, score or don't score doesn't change what's going to happen by and large for the next 60 minutes before we end strong if we need a goal. It seems to be a case of hoping we get a goal in the first 20 minutes or get lucky with a penalty or wonder striker etc. Big chance to go 6 points clear of Chelsea and 3 ahead of Liverpool and we've blown it. Only played four games and we're already 5 off City who are going to **** the league this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOUNGSTEVE Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's what you do with the ball that counts, next pass should be a forward pass but some managers are possession obsessed and rather play percentage football and just keep the ball at walking pace.United have always played football at pace, personal changed but the style never changed it was always one or two touch passing give and go with pace it was constant pressure and teams eventually caved in because United had worn out the opposition. This is the problem. As you mention Man Utd played a certain way for 20 years, mostly at pace with wingers & more importantly 4 strikers at any time. When Ferguson went we needed a manager to carry on the same type of football. Instead Ferguson lumbered us with negative Moyes, & now Van Gael who thinks winning 1-0 with loads of possession is the way to go. It may have been in the past, in Liverpool's glory years, but those times have gone in the Premiership. Contrast us with Swansea who have had a succession of managers the last few years, but all have their teams playing a similar way, keeping continuity, & improving all the time. Spending 100 millions on players is not the answer, even if they are very good ones. You still have to play them to their strengths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Kane has been fluffing the same chances as Rooney and to think people wanted to spend £40m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdevil Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Need to get someone decent on the right hand side, Mata just isn't good enough. To be fair, most of the team aren't good enough for where we want to be. The defense is lacking in at least 1 CB. The center of midfield are garbage, aside from Carrick, and don't move to be able to receive the ball. A failing throughout the team. The forward options are a bit threadbare and it's sad that one of our better players is Fellani. That's not a dig at him but more the quality of the squad. With regards to the "conservative" passing, that's definitely an instruction from LVG as a means to reduce the defending they have to do. ie. they can't score if they haven't got the ball. But it also ties in with poor movement as mentioned above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Seems we are signing Charlie Austin for £15m plus add ons. Rather that than blow £40m plus on Kane who has had a poor start to the season and Austin surely can't be any worse than Rooney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It doesn't surprise me that we were outplayed by Swansea. I was kind of expecting it, they created more chances and were the better team throughout. LVG needs to change his tactics, most of us knew it was ******** a long long time ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Don't hold your breath on anything changing in terms of how we play. Not surprised we lost the game tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Mid-table here we come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's not the losing that is the main concern. It's the fact Swansea outplayed us and this will happen on a regular basis. Our style of play just doesn't create chances and is ugly to watch. Even parking the bus style of play is more attractive and creates more chances than us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It doesn't surprise me that we were outplayed by Swansea. I was kind of expecting it, they created more chances and were the better team throughout. LVG needs to change his tactics, most of us knew it was ******** a long long time ago. You can call the tactics out all you like. Doesn't change the fact it was the personnel that lost us the game today, not the system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 wits tactics, always trying to go through middle. always faffing about with the ball. get some width, get the overlaps... get the crosses in. pass forwards. players are following tactical instructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 What worries me is LVG thought we played well after being played off the park by Swansea. I mean WTF is that about? That wouldn't even be a good performance for Watford's standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Apparently you've offered €50m for Martial... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never seen him but not really prolific looking at his record, still young though. €50m seems desperately high though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Never seen him play but apparently he is quick and direct, sounds perfect , sign him up and bench Rooney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdevil Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Just watched a YouTube vid of him and he doesn't look good enough. Would be better off giving Januzaj more games or playing Valencia as a right winger or even heaven forbid, Young. Might even be better off playing Wilson on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 he is 19... and Monaco bought him for 5m...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Just watched a YouTube vid of him and he doesn't look good enough. Would be better off giving Januzaj more games or playing Valencia as a right winger or even heaven forbid, Young. Might even be better off playing Wilson on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Just watched a YouTube vid of him and he doesn't look good enough. Would be better off giving Januzaj more games or playing Valencia as a right winger or even heaven forbid, Young. Might even be better off playing Wilson on the right. I know just the guy for you, quite an old vid but he can only have got better with age tbf: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdevil Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 At least I provide more entertainment that Utd at present HAHAHAHA!!! Quality skills shown in that vid, he looks the biz. I was thinking more along the lines of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3537E1-Sxo Or: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crplz Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Just watched a YouTube vid of him and he doesn't look good enough. Would be better off giving Januzaj more games or playing Valencia as a right winger or even heaven forbid, Young. Might even be better off playing Wilson on the right. Will be amazed if United don't offer you the head scouting job right away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Martial for £36m is overpaying to ludicrous levels of silliness. What next will the press come up with? Charlie Austin for £19.5m, yea ri.......oh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdevil Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Will be amazed if United don't offer you the head scouting job right away. Thank you, would be good if they did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 LVG's philosophy and style of play is never going to work. We need a brilliant manager like Klopp or Mourinho (not out of the question with the situation at Chelsea) who will play a good style and actually has a plan on how to play football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Mourinho... Good style... Say what now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 His style will work. But it's going to be a boring as **** few years. Edit: I was too focussed on the first bit and didn't notice the second. Mourinho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Martial for £36m is overpaying to ludicrous levels of silliness. What next will the press come up with? Charlie Austin for £19.5m, yea ri.......oh This is the flipside to the new TV deal and general overexcitment about transfer windows slamming shut and buy, buy, buy new players mentality ... big club won't be buying anyone that can make a difference for under 30m soon Should have got Danny Ings in ... not like Liverpool are using him. Great move for a young lad, that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 LVG clearly has a plan. We dominate the ball and are very organised. It's just we're missing that quality in vital positions. Keeper/striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Mourinho...Good style... Say what now? Infinite times better style than van gaal He can mix it up, he plan a,b,c etc. Van gaal doesn't even have a plan A let alone anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 https://twitter.com/WengerIsBetter/status/638095038833119233 Too bad at United there would be no one running onto it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 LVG clearly has a plan. We dominate the ball and are very organised. It's just we're missing that quality in vital positions. Keeper/striker. Like today, we dominate ball possession but opposition team dominate the match. LVG needs to realise the aim of the game is not to win possession stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 That plan B of Mourinho doesn't seem to be doing to well at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's fine, Palmeri claiming we've made a bid of €100m (that's ONE HUNDRED MIIIIILLION euros) for Bale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 That plan B of Mourinho doesn't seem to be doing to well at the moment. Yes Chelsea will be top 2 this season and that would be awful for Mourinho. LVG finishes 4th and that would be great for him. It's just a difference in standard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's fine, Palmeri claiming we've made a bid of €100m (that's ONE HUNDRED MIIIIILLION euros) for Bale I must be getting old, I still remember when people would say "That's 10 million, TEN million!!!!!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Like today, we dominate ball possession but opposition team dominate the match. LVG needs to realise the aim of the game is not to win possession stats. Van gaal doesn't even have a plan A let alone anything else. So which is it? He does or he doesn't? You'd fit right in on ArsenalFanTV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 100 million? is that it..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I must be getting old, I still remember when people would say "That's 10 million, TEN million!!!!!" Err, I still remember people saying a million!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 So which is it? He does or he doesn't?You'd fit right in on ArsenalFanTV. He doesn't even understand the aim of the game so how can he even have a plan? He mentions the word "possession" all the time in interviews. He rarely mentions the word "goal". Makes you wonder if he understand what the team needs to do to win a match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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