Mr U Rosler Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Yuletide salutations, I must admit 16.2 has had me foxed, as late as yesterday afternoon i was banging my head against a brickwall struggling for any kind of consistency. However, i had been very close for a while and a brief moment of insight enabled me to take the next step and deliver a tactic which has given me the consistency i crave whilst playing some fabulous football. I’m running away with League 1 with a team predicted 14th, results are very important but to me but the way the tactic plays out in game is of equal importance and i’m very happy with what i’m seeing. When you know, you know. It’s a high possession tactic focussed on generating a good quantity of high quality chances. Mentalities Standard/Very Fluid TI’s Much Higher Defensive Line Short Passing More Creative Freedom Closed down much more Play out of Defence Get Stuck In Be more expressive Objectives Develop a technical approach to football that functions in Lower Leagues whilst translating to top leagues Dominate possession Dominate Shot Counts Dominate territory Create high quality chances Avoiding Retain possession Work Ball into Box (I consider these TI’s crude instruments to achieve an effect which should be achievable organically through a proper combination of Formation and Team/Player Instructions) Attack Our objective is to dominate possession in our opponents half flooding it with ‘players’ with high creative freedom who are patient and will probe until a clear opportunity to initiate a ‘finishing move’ presents itself. Weakness You don’t need to even use the tactic to know it will be vulnerable to balls over the top. We can try and mitigate this weakness by having pace across the back 4 and a keeper who is good at one on one’s but quite simply playing a high defensive line is a simple trade off. We allow this vulnerability because it enables us to have sometimes 70% possession in our opponents half which leads to goals and winning games. But yes, you will get caught out and concede terrible looking goals at times, but you’ll score a heck of a lot more. TACTIC RESULTS (so far) Predicted 14th DOWNLOAD https://www.mediafire.com/?i4kaqkt3ob1q1lw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Player Roles False 9 The most unpredictable of the Support Strikers and very well suited to this tactic. We need someone intelligent who can find pockets of space and who is a composed, technical finisher to make sure we convert a good number of the chances he will be on the end of as well as create for others. Look for; Off the ball Finishing Composure Technique Inside Forward Originally i went with Raumdeuters but i later found the IF's to be a better option spending more time in the box and allowing the Wingbacks to come into the game and influence play more. Look for: Off the ball Dribbling Composure Finishing Central Midfielders Although they are slightly different roles they all have similar responsibilities and will benefit from high attributes in similar areas so we can cover them all in one go. This also makes squad management easier as you can inter-change them without worry. We essentially want a very strong work ethic across our midfield, dominate the midfield and we dominate possession and territory. The nice thing about the midfield set up is they all contribute to all phases of play, we are not ‘sacrificing’ anyone with an out and out defensive role. Our high line and domination of territory and possession means anyone of these 2 can score and create regularly. Use your most attack minded Midfielder in the Central Position, possibly a converted AMC if they have very high work rate. Look for; Work Rate (15+) Passing Vision Determination Half Back This seems well implemented on this year’s game, that has not always been the case. We play out from the back, during this phase our Half Back operates as a 3rd Centre Back (in the middle). As well as providing cover should we lose the ball in our building phase, it pushes our normal Centre Backs wider which facilitates the easy cycling of the ball out to our Wing Backs which is an ideal position to build attacks from. Once we are up the pitch he will operate as a more traditional DM shielding our Centre Backs whilst being available to re-cycle possession. In some set ups you would seek a ‘Centre Back’ style Half Back being strong in the air, however that is not our vulnerability in this tactic so we are better off looking for the following. Positioning Marking Tackling Passing Wing Backs Generally these guys will either have a lot of space behind them or a lot of space in front of them so they will be up and down the pitch all day. Even on ‘support’ duty they have the get forward instruction, which is good as they provide the main width in the tactic and see plenty of the ball. However, they also have a lot of defensive responsibility although the wider central midfielders help cover the flanks. Bottom line is they need to be great athletes to get where they need to be both offensively and defensively. Crossing remains very effective even after an update that was supposed to tone it down so if yours can cross they can be devastating. Look for; Work Rate Crossing Passing Pace Centre Backs One of the advantages of having a tactic with a clear weakness is that we can take steps to mitigate that weakness. In this case it is balls over the top so to get the best out of the tactic we need quick, mobile Centre Backs who can both anticipate danger before it materialises and sniff it out at source or in a worst case scenario have a chance to get back and make a recovery tackle. We can ditch the lumbering behemoths of yesteryear in favour of a more modern, mobile footballing Centre Back. Look for; Acceleration Tackling Marking Positioning Goal Keeper As usual just get the best one you can but keep a keen eye out for one on one’s as he may find himself in those situations a fair bit! Look for; One on One’s Reflexes Handling Aerial Ability Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fella Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 What about training and OI? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 No OI's. Training, just get the tactic fluid and then do what you normally do. I go balanced/team work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorsetblue Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I'll give this a go,loved Testudo although not so much since update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbhoy67 Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Do you use any player instructions ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Been trying this in Scotland with Formartine United who were promoted into the league at the end of the first season and after 10 games and the tactic now being accomplished I have P10 W0 D1 L9 F7 A17 My team is really poor and the RMD and HB positions I would be lucky to find anyone for anywhere in scotland let alone for Scottish Division 2. Switching to counter from standard helped slightly but not much I shall persevere until I am either sacked or it picks up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnum Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Are there any differences between the two centre-backs (cover vs defend duty) or can I use the same player in both positions? Simply put - where do I play my faster CD? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Do you use any player instructions ? Yeah, Other than the default ones. GK - Roll it out, distribute to Full Backs CM/S - Shoot less often CM/A - Roam from position, Shoot less often RMD's - Shoot less often F9 - Shoot less often The shoot less often instruction is very important, it forces the team to play proper football. Otherwise its a longshot fest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Are there any differences between the two centre-backs (cover vs defend duty) or can I use the same player in both positions? Simply put - where do I play my faster CD? Fastest in Cover slot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Been trying this in Scotland with Formartine United who were promoted into the league at the end of the first season and after 10 games and the tactic now being accomplished I have P10 W0 D1 L9 F7 A17My team is really poor and the RMD and HB positions I would be lucky to find anyone for anywhere in scotland let alone for Scottish Division 2. Switching to counter from standard helped slightly but not much I shall persevere until I am either sacked or it picks up With this tactic if your front players are not good enough to finish chances, you will struggle massively because you will concede a few clear chances, it's inevitable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Time to wrap up a full season with the tactic. Comfortable League Win (predicted 14th). Best defence in the league. A quick look at key season stats. Most completed passes, large possession advantage (61%) and 80% pass completion. Pretty good for league 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnum Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 After playing with this tactic for a few games I have two questions: 1) Which 'footedness' do you prefer for the two Raumdeuters? Right foot on the right side or left food on the right side? 2) I experienced quite a few yellow cards (around 4-5 per game). Would it make too much of a difference to off turn 'Get Stuck In'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 1) Really don't mind, they go either way (2 footed great!) 2) Good question, be interested to find that out myself. Should be Ok i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbanAchiever84 Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Big fan of your tactics here. I've used this tactic for a bit in my save, and I have a few thoughts. It's been hit or miss for me (I'm managing Fulham, with a very strong team in the BPL, probably on par with Liverpool or Arsenal of today) and the main issue is tons of posession with too few good chances. The raumdeuters are the main issue for me. When we have the ball, they are pushed high up the field, and most of the passes to them are long balls, so they have no room to operate if they are able to receive the ball. In turn, the F9 rarely sees the ball, so he can't get the raumdeuters the ball when they are breaking from their wide positions. I've tested using your WM instructions from Testudo, and they seem to receive the ball with more space, while still being able to push forward to receive through balls from the F9 or the CMs. Also, the wing backs have a bit more space to send in crosses. I'm not sure if this is a universal fix or just something that works for my squad, but it's producing a bit more attacking punch. Again, I'm a big fan of your tactics, so thanks very much for your work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I've tried it now in both Vanarama South and Vanarama National and I don't understand how you got such good results. I made sure I have players suitable for the tactic (relative to the league level) and practically every game I have more shots, but not many quality chances, while the opposition always creates at least 2-3 high quality chances with far fewer shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlosEsDios Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Struggling to download on either Chrome or IE. Anyone else having issues? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Might be a bit technical for non league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 Tweaked the tactic. Changed the RMD's to Inside Forwards. Bit more of a goal scoring threat spending more time in the box whilst allowing the Wingbacks to influence play a lot more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 1st season in the Championship. Predicted 21st, after difficult start now consolidating and moving up into mid table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanzi Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Mr U Roswell good job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veertien Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Hi Mr U Rosler! A question for you (and excuse me for my poor english): what do I have to watch for value a player? 4 important skills? Coach report? Or what else? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I have had to abandon this with Formartine in the Scottish Leagues as it is not doing well at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walrus Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Any instructions on tempo, width or crosses? When it says avoiding I assume that doesn't need to be clicked? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 Hi Mr U Rosler!A question for you (and excuse me for my poor english): what do I have to watch for value a player? 4 important skills? Coach report? Or what else? Thanks! A bit of everything. Coach report to identify a potential player, then check attributes are suitable. I.e. your coach might rate an AMR as 4 stars but he has low dribbling & finishing so probably not a good option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 Tempo very low, mixed crosses, width normal (balanced) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Might have stumbled upon a possible LL alternative. I took Testudo as the base and added parts of Tianxia plus a bit of my own. WB are both set to Attacking mentality Moved the WM to IF and made them Support Moved the CM(A) to AP(A) Added look for overlap TI First few matches I started getting draws and then I beat a team that had beaten me 2-0 3 times in the season already 3-0 It is not getting the possession Mr U Rosler is chasing but the quality of chances seems better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlosEsDios Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Cheers Pompeyboyz. Trying to find a mix myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 If your looking to run it non-league i'd change the passing to MIXED, Drop the Defensive Line to NORMAL and remove Play Out Of Defence. If your conceding from free kicks down there i'd also remove Get Stuck In. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlosEsDios Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Thanks Mr Rosler and Merry Christmas, happy yuletide etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 If your looking to run it non-league i'd change the passing to MIXED, Drop the Defensive Line to NORMAL and remove Play Out Of Defence.If your conceding from free kicks down there i'd also remove Get Stuck In. Funnily enough my suggestions includes that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 Funnily enough my suggestions includes that Good skills Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlosEsDios Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Any advice on pitch dimensions before the start of a new season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 Any advice on pitch dimensions before the start of a new season? I always go largest, habit more than anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Gribble Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Playing as Arsenal, since switching to this I've only conceded 1 goal in 6 games, haven't touched anything just plug and play, impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbhoy67 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 When playing against a superior opponent do you change the mentality ? I'm playing as Celtic doing great domestically but in the group stages of champions league against bayern and shaktar any advice would be great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 Playing as Arsenal, since switching to this I've only conceded 1 goal in 6 games, haven't touched anything just plug and play, impressive. Shouldn't need to tweak it unless you are non/lower league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbhoy67 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Lost 4-0 to shakhtar away and drew 2-2 with bayern at home but was 2-0 up without any adjustments to tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 When playing against a superior opponent do you change the mentality ? I'm playing as Celtic doing great domestically but in the group stages of champions league against bayern and shaktar any advice would be great. I don't, but i believe European away games are a bit different. I'd leave it as is at home. For away games half of me thinks what the hell, just leave it as is and hope you catch them when they're complacent especially in group stages. Having said that i had some interesting results with the 'Contain' mentality, might be an idea to try that in 2 legged away games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbhoy67 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Thanks I will give it a go and see how it goes. One more question do you change anything if you are chasing the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 Thanks I will give it a go and see how it goes. One more question do you change anything if you are chasing the game. I just plug and play it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I changed RMD to IF, switched to normal defensive line, mixed passing, removed play out of defence and get stuck in. No cigar in non-league. It's just way too random. All the matches both teams create quality chances and then it's just a matter of luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinxwhitsmith Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Working a treat for my newly promoted Leeds utd team. Went from bottom 3 in Pl to breaking into top 8! Good skills Mr U R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanzi Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 love you mr u roswell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Winter Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I have to say this tactic seems to be doing the business Mr U Rosler You know I am a fan of your tactics, this is one of your best from what i've seen of it so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenevo Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Absolutely love this tactic It's even better than the previous one in my opinion. I've left Manchester United after an unbeaten season in the league and winning the treble and joined up with Rangers who were struggling in the Scottish Championship. They had failed to live up to expectation and the manager was sacked, so I felt this would be a great project that would test the "TESTUDO" tactic. As it turns out "Testudo" isn't as effective and this tactic is now the go to tactic, so again, a brilliant chance to test out "Tianxia-All-Under-Heaven" I began the season with a 1 - 0 loss in the Challenge Cup, but this was using "TESTUDO" and in fairness, we gave them a good match, so that tactic isn't completely useless, we were just unlucky. Here is how things have gone so far using the "Tianxia-All-Under-Heaven" tactic (except the first match)... More to come later... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benspit Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Could someone please post up a screenshot of the TI's? I'm playing on tablet & just want to make sure I got everything properly. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 Could someone please post up a screenshot of the TI's? I'm playing on tablet & just want to make sure I got everything properly.Thanks! As long as you have 7 TI's and they are the seven from the first post you're good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 Quick update from my save. 1st season in Championship predicted 21st, finished 10th. Were in a good position for an unlikely play off place until we finished the season in awful form. Very happy with 10th though. 2nd season predicted 14th, looking good for play offs and have a chance for automatic promotion although some big teams in this division who will be hard to dislodge. Pretty much a team of free transfers, some of which are now rated £8m players. Seems to be a game of putting runs together. The stronger your team and the better the tactic the longer you can keep the goods run going and the quicker you can stop the bad runs, with good morale management/team talks etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Hmm, so I started a fresh save with a mid-table team (predicted 13th) in Vanarama North, but this time I took a different approach in player recruitment. Usually, I'd look at attributes required for each role and search by that, lowering the threshold if needed. This time, I focused heavily on Pace and Acceleration as an absolute must, and secondary filter were Determination and Decisions. I literally looked at only those 4 attributes for all the positions. It's a rather small sample so we'll see in the future. However, I've only been outplayed once, against Hednesford, which played 3 at the back plus 2 wingbacks, which meant that my front 3 players were completely stifled, and frankly, useless. Luckily, not many teams here play 532 or 352, otherwise this tactic would be a disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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