Martini Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 That's pretty much my question, I got the feeling that more memory available equals more leagues running at the same time but not a higher amount of players than a 32 arch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Both in the same.. both require processing, which requires Ram and the cpu .. In theory, fm now being a 64 bit application, should allow you to process the game faster and again, in theory, maybe, possibly load a bigger database. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Posted October 27, 2016 Author Share Posted October 27, 2016 I loaded all leagues and FM17 is using 1268 mb of RAM, the performance monitor never exceeds 4 gigs, is it normal or a bug?, how do I know if steam installed the 64 bit version? i mean, shouldn't the game gone overboard and use like 7 gigs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted October 27, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 27, 2016 Steam will install 64-bit if you have a 64-bit OS. You can have as much RAM as you want but you'll need a 64-bit OS for 64-bit apps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Posted October 27, 2016 Author Share Posted October 27, 2016 yeah, my windows 10 is 64 bits Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Mine uses 2,7 GB 3 seasons in 120k players loaded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Posted October 27, 2016 Author Share Posted October 27, 2016 I got Firefox and other stuff opened at the same time :O Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILunde Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 26 minutes ago, Martini said: I got Firefox and other stuff opened at the same time :O how does it look when you press continue, and its processing stuff? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Posted October 27, 2016 Author Share Posted October 27, 2016 Same, I'm on holiday now, it doesn't go over 4 gigs overall and FM is using no more than 30% CPU and +1321 mb RAM I went to the BIOS and everything's fine, the mobo recognizes 8 gigs, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
santy001 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 FM isn't as demanding as you might think in my experience. For years I've noticed that its rarely spiked high on processing usage even during intense bouts of processing but I think this is because things tend to be done more sequentially than all at once. I might be wrong, but it certainly appears as though the game processes your active league/competition first, then moves through the next leagues/competitions depending on detail level etc. I'm probably way off in how it is working, but for years even with absurdly high volume databases and active leagues, processing match days never varied much in processor power usage, just the time of processing would lengthen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Posted October 27, 2016 Author Share Posted October 27, 2016 So it seems, feels the game is capped to work with the entire range of computers even if it could do better with your setup, I would like a setting about that to force the game go faster (high, med, low, whatever). Reminds me of CMSpeeder, god we are old. xD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelfc8 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Would changing the priority of the process to high or realtime in the Task Manager make any difference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosewinkle Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 It might be more noticeable as you get into later seasons (and histories become longer). But I really never understood the clamor for 64 bits. Honestly I think most of the people complaining about 32-bit Football Manager didn't really know what they were talking about :). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard boy Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 When you add the leagues you want and have 120k players and it says game speed 1&half stars, is that accurate or should it be ignored? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Surely it's not that 64 bit isn't the magic bullet that everyone said it would be? That can't be possible, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, forameuss said: Surely it's not that 64 bit isn't the magic bullet that everyone said it would be? That can't be possible, right? well for me it is I load the same nations and leagues up every season and the same large database with all Brazilian and Argentinian players selected roughly 85,000 players last fm 32 bit was far slower than it is right now for me on the same computer, quad core i7 3.5 ghz processor 12gb ddr3 ram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, englandmanager said: well for me it is I load the same nations and leagues up every season and the same large database with all Brazilian and Argentinian players selected roughly 85,000 players last fm 32 bit was far slower than it is right now for me on the same computer, quad core i7 3.5 ghz processor 12gb ddr3 ram It makes a difference, it was always going to. But quel surprise, it hasn't really lived up to the insane hype that some gave it, as evidenced here. Gutted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 We'll have to wait for FM19 to see it using 6 gigs of RAM I guess. It IS an improvement and it feels like one though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorando Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I haven't noticed any difference with this 64 bit thing. Processing doesnt go any faster than before and 3d is very laggy. I had a 5 star PC according to FM16 and now 2 stars according to FM17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkim Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 It all depends on how optimized (code wise) FM is for the 64bit operating systems. Some games (and programs) on the market are well optimized to utilize all available cores (including multi-threading) and RAM available which is what 64bit targets - RAM. Console games for example are extremely well optimized for their limited hardware which is why you can see them playing very smooth compared to the same game on a PC with similar (or even better) hardware specs. The hundreds of PC configurations (hardware) that are available cannot be all accounted for when it comes to optimizing. Couple that with the fact that the operating system (software) alone varies from user to user and now you've got a lot of configurations to cover. Just a few years ago most games on the market wouldn't utilize more than 4 GB of RAM. That is changing however as more games released are starting to fully utilize up to and some even more (although not many at this point) than 8GB of RAM however with regards to FM, this doesn't seem to be the case judging by the screen shot posted above. Small piece of advice is to have everything closed while running FM to see if the RAM usage will increase. Reason I say that is because the operating system will reserve some RAM for itself for it's own needs. However with the 8GB available, it should still be more than the 4GB reported. Either way, it seems FM 17 isn't going to utilize more than 4GB. I wish someone from SI would confirm this or at least let us know what the max amount of RAM FM 17 can utilize is. Technically, using over 4GB is considered 64 bit but really it won't make a drastic difference compared to previous versions where if only 3GB (as an example) of RAM were utilized, at least not from my experience. If FM was able to utilize let's say up to 6/8GB of RAM then it would be a day and night difference. As for the 3D performance that is dependent on the graphics component of your computer configuration. That is a whole other discussion by itself. You need a more capable graphics component to run the 3D smoothly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennytee Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I've seen it use 6gig of ram I'll post a screen tomorrow, I am however using nearly all leagues with 130,000 players although only my current division and a few cups are on full detail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionaire Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 I load all leagues with about 200k players, and also use logo and face pack, during matches the memory usage is near 3gb, so definitely need 64bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weller1980 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 I have a 64 bit windows 10 with 8gb ram, and during gameplay my pc uses around 3.1gb with no other background programs running, I run FMT and have around 10/11 nations with around 25/30 ish leagues. RAM usage seems low to me, I wonder if FMT uses less ram than FM? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennytee Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Weller1980 said: I have a 64 bit windows 10 with 8gb ram, and during gameplay my pc uses around 3.1gb with no other background programs running, I run FMT and have around 10/11 nations with around 25/30 ish leagues. RAM usage seems low to me, I wonder if FMT uses less ram than FM? Yeah I think touch uses a lot less in order to keep it quick to play it's a lot less system demanding Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Running full FM, with all leagues and 300k players loaded, on a 64-bit Windows 10 with 16Gb RAM. Memory usage never exceeds 2.9Gb here. Total memory usage at those times would be around 47%. -Edit- Logopacks are being used as well. Default details. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingdinho Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 A slight aside, sorry, but @roykela are you having any issues with Desktop Window Manager and extreme RAM usage as we both had with FM16? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 @Pingdinho Haven't had any issues at all so far. I kept FM16 in windowed as that worked flawlessly for me. I'm still continuing with windowed in FM17 as well. Dwm.exe is currently at 24MB, so, so far so good. Hope it's the same in maximum borderless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 I don't go digging into the technical aspect of it all, how much RAM I'm using etc. But from my experience and how I play the game, ive gone from probably 8-9 hours a season on FM16 down to around 5/6 for FM17. The simming of the AI games is insane, deadline day flies... going game to game for me is a click of the fingers. On top of that the UI is responsive at all times, no slowdown ive noticed. Now granted ive gone 2 seasons in at most, so it could clog up as the save builds, but as it stands, no complaints here. I do play VF commentary only and delegate a lot of fluff, but I did that on FM16 so the comparison for me is like for like. I cant comment on the match engine and how that is affected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard boy Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 19 hours ago, roykela said: Running full FM, with all leagues and 300k players loaded, on a 64-bit Windows 10 with 16Gb RAM. Memory usage never exceeds 2.9Gb here. Total memory usage at those times would be around 47%. -Edit- Logopacks are being used as well. Default details. What was the star rating for game speed? I have same amount of ram and anything over 100k give me 1 & half stars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Beckham Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Hiya I am getting a new laptop soon and the one I fancy has a 64gb DDR Ram, just wondering what the difference in Ram is between say 8-64gb, is there much difference when it comes to playing FM, I know it is more about the processor and graphics to a lesser extent, but just wanted to ask you lot in here as I aint that technical when it comes to computers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 In almost every circumstance you could possibly ever consider in the history of the world... 64gb ram is overkill beyond belief... FM17, in my experience, takes up little over 4gb at most in most cases.. another 4gb on top of that is more than enough for multitasking .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 52 minutes ago, Ronaldo Beckham said: Hiya I am getting a new laptop soon and the one I fancy has a 64gb DDR Ram, just wondering what the difference in Ram is between say 8-64gb, is there much difference when it comes to playing FM, I know it is more about the processor and graphics to a lesser extent, but just wanted to ask you lot in here as I aint that technical when it comes to computers. But i'm interested... what kind of laptop has 64gb ram?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Could be this monster: http://gadgets.ndtv.com/laptops/news/meet-the-laptop-with-64gb-ram-5tb-ssd-and-6-usb-ports-798862 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 4 hours ago, Wizard boy said: What was the star rating for game speed? I have same amount of ram and anything over 100k give me 1 & half stars. It was half a star. Don't really have a problem with the game speed though. It flies pretty smoothly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Beckham Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-181512-028-MSI-GT83VR-6RF(Titan-SLI)-028UK_1983642.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ronaldo Beckham said: http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-181512-028-MSI-GT83VR-6RF(Titan-SLI)-028UK_1983642.html Yep.. 64gb ram is pointless... unless you plan on doing some extreme encoding, running a ram disk or wasting money. I also see laptops of that sort of spec as completely pointless... they are heavy and bulky and loud to the point of not being portable and you could get a desktop with a better spec for 1/4th of that budget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Beckham Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 OK so if money was no object then what laptop would you recommend me getting ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 When money isn't an issue... necessity goes out of the window and it's just about personal choice. But if you want actual recommendations... please use the laptop thread : Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard boy Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 1 hour ago, roykela said: It was half a star. Don't really have a problem with the game speed though. It flies pretty smoothly. So I should ignore ratings? Did you add players from other nations and if so which nations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Not sure about ignoring it completely. What might be "flying" for me might be crawling for you. I'd say, take it with a grain of salt. I added players from all continents with a large database. That gave me approximately 324k players loaded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard boy Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 44 minutes ago, roykela said: Not sure about ignoring it completely. What might be "flying" for me might be crawling for you. I'd say, take it with a grain of salt. I added players from all continents with a large database. That gave me approximately 324k players loaded. What are your PC specs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 CPU - i7-3820k @3.66Ghz RAM - Corsair 16GB DDR3 GPU - Nvidia Geforce 980GTX Ti Mobo - MSI X79A-GD45 (8D) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard boy Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Mine is i5 3.20ghz 16gb ram Nvidia geforce gtx 960 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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