Dalglish Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I like the look of the stadiums displayed. An editing tool would be great - as would being able to see running tracks and curved stadia. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, endtime said: I wonder what those scouting packages mean, will we no longer send scouts on assignments? Looks like you can hire sort of scouting agencies to do your work for you. Not sure if that would completely replace scouts, and for lower league managers like me they'd be unaffordable and I'd just be continuing with my part-time man and his dog. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, MBarbaric said: It seems Carlo Ancelotti was the first victim of player dynamics in FM got fired after Franck Ribery, Kingsley Coman, Jerome Boateng, Mats Hummels and Arjen Robben went against him Like I said, SI getting in some guerrilla marketing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Scouting agencies and scouts at your club are both part of football, so I guess it will be reflected in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
endtime Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 minute ago, phnompenhandy said: Looks like you can hire sort of scouting agencies to do your work for you. Not sure if that would completely replace scouts, and for lower league managers like me they'd be unaffordable and I'd just be continuing with my part-time man and his dog. Right, but do lower league clubs even use scouts? Where would an amateur or semi-pro club scout, if they wouldn't even be able to attract players from outside their immediate area? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, Dalglish said: I like the look of the stadiums displayed. An editing tool would be great - as would being able to see running tracks and curved stadia. Very much so. From my side as a 'lowest-league manager' I'd like to see a field of sheep behind my 6 spectators! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, endtime said: Right, but do lower league clubs even use scouts? Where would an amateur or semi-pro club scout, if they wouldn't even be able to attract players from outside their immediate area? It'll be the assman or HoYD in his 30-year-old Ford Escort rattling along to the next village. I typically have 1 part-timer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikeee Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said: Looks like you can hire sort of scouting agencies to do your work for you. Not sure if that would completely replace scouts, and for lower league managers like me they'd be unaffordable and I'd just be continuing with my part-time man and his dog. JPA=1 JPP=1 scout spotted in the wild. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, noikeee said: JPA=1 JPP=1 scout spotted in the wild. Might use that for my next scout's avatar!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
endtime Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, noikeee said: JPA=1 JPP=1 scout spotted in the wild. Paulinho (the one from Barcelona) once played for my local club, back when he was 18. When they ask the players and staff who used to play with him and train him back then, they all say that the never thought he would go on to have such a great career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said: Looks like you can hire sort of scouting agencies to do your work for you. Not sure if that would completely replace scouts, and for lower league managers like me they'd be unaffordable and I'd just be continuing with my part-time man and his dog. scouting agencies basically provide access to match videos. so a club gets a subscription and they can search for a player (similar how you search in FM) and then watch clips of the player in all kind of situations. Agency might provide their own report on the player if requested by a club. however, clubs usually have a licence to go and look themselves. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, MBarbaric said: scouting agencies basically provide access to match videos. so a club gets a subscription and they can search for a player (similar how you search in FM) and then watch clips of the player in all kind of situations. Agency might provide their own report on the player if requested by a club. however, clubs usually have a licence to go and look themselves. You'll be needing a decent data analyst to crunch the numbers and provide the reports. It's all falling into place! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said: You'll be needing a decent data analyst to crunch the numbers and provide the reports. It's all falling into place! not necessarily, agencies provide match analysis as well. so even the smallest clubs can afford this. not sure if it is in the game, though. can do it for your team for a modest price Edited September 29, 2017 by MBarbaric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svenc Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 German engineering, a suspiciously Feeder-soundalike tune plus a confirmation that the guys are some more involved responsible for one of the most criminally underappreciated and boldest games in the AAA space in recent years (despite its frustrating bits). Decent tease. The team dynamics looks like something that Fifa Manager had, though internally FM's internally always had it anyway in various shapes and forms. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Looks like I'm pre-ordering! Sounds like some really good improvements this year, the idea of dynamics in particular. I'm actually thinking that might be deeper than just the player-relationships on the screenshot. The video mentioned briefly how SI would deal with increasing transfer fees - so it sounds to me like we'll be getting some kind of 'Dynamic Economy' feature where fees and wages can inflate or deflate over time, and perhaps entire countries could get richer or poorer (which would tie in very nicely with the Brexit feature from last year - imagine the newspaper coverage when a Mail journalist is playing FM, only to see a Hard Brexit happen, the economy and the pound crash and all his foreign players demand moves abroad because their salaries have suddenly been devalued in their home countries they'd eventually like to move or retire to). On another note, I thought the presentation while cheesy was the best in years. No offence whatsoever to Miles, but he's always looked a bit uncomfortable when they've had him standing talking through features for twenty minutes. He's clearly pretty epic at his job, but that just isn't something he's particularly talented at. This format seemed a much more professional production which can only help. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdiatmh Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) so we do what real clubs do and use FM for scouting in FM? FMception I also like how it basically pokes fun at most of the "transfer deadline day" cliches You've got a studio crossover to someone sitting randomly around A live cross to him about to interview someone A "Harry Redknapp" interview through a car window while on the way to work Edited September 29, 2017 by samdiatmh 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukefitch Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Looks promising for the first time in a while! Felt a bit scammed by all the pointless cosmetic changes last year. The fact that the manager avatar thing was marketed as a major selling point was outrageous. Hopefully the 'Dynamics' element will bring much needed improvements to player interactions. And its always good to see more depth in the tactic department. More realism in the scouting and staff department is exciting too. Look forward to seeing what has been done. Graphics aren't a huge part of the game for me but tweaks are welcomed nonetheless. If the 'social feed' tab has been made more relevant and less repetitive I'll be happy. Nothing has been mentioned thus far about training which is a shame. Aside from ai interactions (both player and media), that's probably aspect of the game that's calling out most for an overhaul. I appreciate that its a big task though and with the announced changes I'm not too fussed. Hopefully that they'll make a big feature of that sometime in the next few years. Overall its looking like they've listened to what people want! Can't wait for more announcements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonAndLance Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, samdiatmh said: A "Harry Redknapp" interview through a car window while on the way to work ahaha this was my favorite part! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshothitman Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I can't believe clubs pay 240k p/y for a scouting tool. Just buy FM for £38 and load all the leagues... duhhh 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, headshothitman said: I can't believe clubs pay 240k p/y for a scouting tool. Just buy FM for £38 and load all the leagues... duhhh Or even better load up the editor! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 An interesting way to start the announcement process, like that it's different but SI really need to sort out that leak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashidi Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Dynamics looks like its adding a new layer to squad management, tactics screen shows a new hot button on match day. There is an arrow on a WB(auto) and a new UI design for tactics which suggests on the fly analysis. The scouting changes are exciting. The draft mode looks interesting with the new cards. There is now a Medical Centre report, that makes me icky about seeing injuries all day long. Makes me think that we need to prepare ourselves for detailed answers as to why our players are out so often. So am I excited yes I reckon, the match day graphics looks better, but without having touched the game its going to be hard to tell. The most exciting change is the Dynamics module which is apparent cos its call Dynamics, and it looks like I am going to have to work hard to keep me players happy, which suggests squad management just got a whole lot immersive. The scouting changes look big so this may make it harder for people to game the system, will be interesting how much will can drill down into the world database search for players. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I'm so confused. What was the video about? What are the new features? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 The lines between players on the tactics screen has piqued my interest. I've long hoped that you get rewarded for consistency with your team selection, so perhaps the lines in @Rashidi's post show that the right back and right winger have forged a deep understanding, and this will influence their interplay? Kind of like a mutual PPM. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheelf Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Having had a quick look at the video (+ pausing for the screenshots) I have to say that what has been announced does look encouraging at this point (especially the tactics revamp...well SI have certainly piqued my interest with the yellow line & intensity bar). I find it curious that FM have taken some of the Fifa Manager series ideas and incorporated it into their game. As somebody who played that series I have to say that things like team dynamics were tedious. I can only hope that implementation of it in FM is a lot better and actually adds to the experience rather than be like how press conferences are for me in FM17 where I just give the responsibility to my AM at the first opportunity. The scouting changes look interesting as it has been an area that has been needing some attention along with the medical centre which looks to make use of the newly introduced staff in FM17. The graphics of the stadium on the monitor look light years ahead of what is available in FM17 which is very impressive for those that wanted to see an improvement in the quality of the graphics available. I look forward to hearing more about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Well that has certainly pushed me towards pre-ordering. Really intrigued about some of the new features. Roll on the rest of the vids Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, RTHerringbone said: The lines between players on the tactics screen has piqued my interest. I've long hoped that you get rewarded for consistency with your team selection, so perhaps the lines in @Rashidi's post show that the right back and right winger have forged a deep understanding, and this will influence their interplay? Kind of like a mutual PPM. There are two more... between the 2 DCs and between the 2 MCs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 minute ago, pheelf said: Having had a quick look at the video (+ pausing for the screenshots) I have to say that what has been announced does look encouraging at this point (especially the tactics revamp...well SI have certainly piqued my interest with the yellow line & intensity bar). I find it curious that FM have taken some of the Fifa Manager series ideas and incorporated it into their game. As somebody who played that series I have to say that things like team dynamics were tedious. I can only hope that implementation of it in FM is a lot better and actually adds to the experience rather than be like how press conferences are for me in FM17 where I just give the responsibility to my AM at the first opportunity. The scouting changes look interesting as it has been an area that has been needing some attention along with the medical centre which looks to make use of the newly introduced staff in FM17. The graphics of the stadium on the monitor look light years ahead of what is available in FM17 which is very impressive for those that wanted to see an improvement in the quality of the graphics available. I look forward to hearing more about it I think that is just training/match prep intensity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Neat cameo from WorkTheSpace. I like that SI are interacting a bit more with the major FM YouTubers/streamers. That song at the end gets a thumbs-up from me as well. Blossoms Stadium graphics look nice, and I like the return of shirts to the tactics screen, though that screen does look a bit cluttered for my liking. ‘Dynamics’ look interesting, even though the Hierarchy pyramid could potentially border on FIFA Manager ‘fluff’, and the Medical Centre will surely be a fantastic addition. All in all, I’m quietly encouraged. I’m still not certain if I’ll pre-order; I’ll probably wait until the first in-depth feature videos come out before making a decision on that. Edited September 29, 2017 by CFuller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decapitated Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 50 minutes ago, MBarbaric said: scouting agencies basically provide access to match videos. so a club gets a subscription and they can search for a player (similar how you search in FM) and then watch clips of the player in all kind of situations. Agency might provide their own report on the player if requested by a club. however, clubs usually have a licence to go and look themselves. This might be a silly question but is that screenshot from a real life scouting service? I'd love that sort of interface in FM2018 especially the similar player part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffle Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I like the new 'continue' button. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: There are two more... between the 2 DCs and between the 2 MCs. Yep - could easily be something like an extension of Stopper / Cover Duties in defence and the equivalent in central midfield. All conjecture and would risk overriding a users intended tactical settings, but could be brilliant. I often find myself rotating my squad with no real positive / negative impact. If you're tangibly rewarded for forming partnerships on the pitch it would be awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Cheesy video but looks promising - time to get my 25% discount! BTW - Mike Duff - that's not Mike Duff of 01/02 fame is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, RTHerringbone said: Yep - could easily be something like an extension of Stopper / Cover Duties in defence and the equivalent in central midfield. All conjecture and would risk overriding a users intended tactical settings, but could be brilliant. I often find myself rotating my squad with no real positive / negative impact. If you're tangibly rewarded for forming partnerships on the pitch it would be awesome. I agree it would be great. Seems to be the case as I first thought it showed tactical partnerships, but there's no link between the strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, Crispypaul said: Cheesy video but looks promising - time to get my 25% discount! BTW - Mike Duff - that's not Mike Duff of 01/02 fame is it? Think he's still playing but a bit older than that by now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
91427 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, CFuller said: I like the return of shirts to the tactics screen, though that screen does look a bit cluttered for my liking. I reckon that's just cause SI use a really low game resolution for trailers, will likely look a lot more spaced out on a normal monitor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Mike Duff’s retired now... and unless he’s undergone a complete makeover since hanging up his boots, I don’t think that reporter is the same guy as this one. 7 minutes ago, 91427 said: I reckon that's just cause SI use a really low game resolution for trailers, will likely look a lot more spaced out on a normal monitor Yes, I was thinking that, to be honest. It should look a lot better on the monitor I’ve got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asherware Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Really looks good, very excited about the Dynamics feature! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
upthetoon Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Really quite intriguing. It seems like they are overhauling many areas. I'm very curious to how the whole scouting is now going to be work. But it's realistic though. I believe most clubs have only a few scouts. The chief scout pours over data from the scouting programme, sees a player who has good stats, and sends the scout over to watch the player in action. The dynamics might also mean squad management is going to play a huge role. That's fantastic if it's really is. It's like if you coach a big club like Barcelona or Madrid, you need to learn how to keep all the GALATICOs happy in the same team. right now there's zero squad management skill required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemHat Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 All these features look promising, but if it still takes until the January patch to be worth playing, what's the point in pre-ordering? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
upthetoon Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 quite surprised that there is no mention of training overhaul yet. but there are rumours. waiting for the next feature announcement and hopefully training is mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyro Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I like the headlines preview. Something different. And this year not so difficult to find. I got a nice email in my inbox informing me that it is available. As to the video, very interesting and timely with the dynamics (Fifa Manager had that but it didn't work properly - so let's see how this is implemented. The tactics screen has an "Analysis" trigger on the top right. Does that mean there is color coding also and the yellow lines (relationships?) between players will be shown? Medical Center good addition to understand more about the recurring injuries and making the new staff roles from last year more helpful. I like the transfer center and scouting screens that you have a quick view of what positions the player can play in. Not sure how the scouting packages will work. Looking forward to the in depth videos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright 747 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Very interesting first look, it looks a lot more in depth, however that could cause it's own problems, the game is crying out for a proper manual/guide to explain what everything does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, HemHat said: All these features look promising, but if it still takes until the January patch to be worth playing, what's the point in pre-ordering? There's always one 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoxeysTheName Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Is there going to be anything for Sports Scientists to actually to do this year as opposed to mainly just sitting there, taking a wage for nothing? Are their attributes actually going to mean anything this time? Edited September 29, 2017 by MoxeysTheName Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, MoxeysTheName said: Is there going to be anything for Sports Scientists to actually to do this year as opposed to mainly just sitting there, taking a wage for nothing? Are their attributes actually going to mean anything this time? Have you watched the video? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, MoxeysTheName said: Is there going to be anything for Sports Scientists to actually to do this year as opposed to mainly just sitting there, taking a wage for nothing? Are their attributes actually going to mean anything this time? Sport Scientists always had something to do. They reduced Jadedness in players, "help stop the frequency of certain types of injuries and can help with players recovery." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemHat Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, forameuss said: There's always one Thought I'd get in first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Tony Wright 747 said: Very interesting first look, it looks a lot more in depth, however that could cause it's own problems, the game is crying out for a proper manual/guide to explain what everything does. At the same time, it's fairly clear that a lot of these additions bring more info to us (or deliver it better) and a better graphical representation too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 What's "Work The Space"? Some blog that this Jack wotsit writes? (Glad they said who Curtis Munton was as well otherwise I'd be asking the same question about him). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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