FootballManager89 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I was very excited to read that transfers were updated in fm18 to be higher than last years version. Which I felt was necessary because the most a team ever paid for a player over a 40 year period I saw was about 128 million usd. Which isn't even the amount pogba got I don't think. Either way will we finally seem teams willing to pay neymar psg money for once? Please say that has been included. Also will we see teams pay the 400 million euros psg paid for neymar and mbappe and doing it in a smart way by buying neymar straight cash then getting mbappe with a loan this year and straight cash the next year? I know that has been added to this years game but will we see teams using it the same way psg? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 The transfers video mentioned the inflated prices have been taken into account this year, so I guess so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
streety Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 so you see a really good 17 year old and the AI want 90mil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phelix Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, streety said: so you see a really good 17 year old and the AI want 90mil Not necessarily, the reason Mbappe was so expensive is because he was talked up by the media for a long, long time, and his club backed it up with an impressive run in the UCL and by winning Ligue 1. Compare that the way Tottenham acquired Delle Alli, a well known hot prospect from the English lower leagues, and you can see that we won't always have to pay top dollar for youngsters. I've been disappointed in recent years at how expensive clubs make it to sign their young players, but really you just have to time it right, towards the end of the contract (too early and you may be rejected and then the club offers the player a new contract). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted October 25, 2017 Administrators Share Posted October 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, Phelix said: Not necessarily, the reason Mbappe was so expensive is because he was talked up by the media for a long, long time, and his club backed it up with an impressive run in the UCL and by winning Ligue 1. Compare that the way Tottenham acquired Delle Alli, a well known hot prospect from the English lower leagues, and you can see that we won't always have to pay top dollar for youngsters. I've been disappointed in recent years at how expensive clubs make it to sign their young players, but really you just have to time it right, towards the end of the contract (too early and you may be rejected and then the club offers the player a new contract). This is the key really - how often in real life do you see 'hot prospects' move in the middle of decent sized contracts for not very much in real life? And at the same time, how challenging would the game be if you could pick up dirt cheap amazing players from around the world for next to nothing? It seems that sometimes people see insane asking prices as something other than that club just trying to say "he's not for sale". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungHoss Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I also hope non league transfers are fixed I doubt very much Buxton would really want £50k plus for their gk most players in non league move for a few balls and a Mars bar! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 High as a nun taking ket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quacky Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I feel for SI with the way the transfer values have changed the past couple of years. Its very hard to get a system that works for most teams while allowing for the odd 3 or 4 players going for astronomical numbers between a select few teams. After all, Neymar went for more than double the previous record, if SI ever predicted that it was possible for someone to cost £400M in 2022 everyone would say it was a bug but maybe that is what will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 21 minutes ago, Quacky said: I feel for SI with the way the transfer values have changed the past couple of years. Its very hard to get a system that works for most teams while allowing for the odd 3 or 4 players going for astronomical numbers between a select few teams. After all, Neymar went for more than double the previous record, if SI ever predicted that it was possible for someone to cost £400M in 2022 everyone would say it was a bug but maybe that is what will happen. The last few years aren't actually massively out of touch with history. As you can see, the general pattern is exponential growth. The graph is a little overly simple in that it's got a constant rate when really, the line is steeper but WWII caused a major set back. However, even with that line, we'd predict the first £1bn transfer in the early 2030s. If you only look at the data since WWII, 2025 is a better estimate. The huge outlier is actually not Neymar, but Zinedine Zidane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quacky Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Yes but this is the record transfer, its hard to make a system where that can happen but the vast majority of players go for considerably less. It isn't like the transfer record player is actually considerably better than every other player in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, Quacky said: Yes but this is the record transfer, its hard to make a system where that can happen but the vast majority of players go for considerably less. It isn't like the transfer record player is actually considerably better than every other player in the world. Not really. The pattern would I expect be very similar for the average top-level transfer. The record being around double what a 'normal' but very big transfer (Pogba, Lukaku, Mbappe) is pretty much normal and consistent with how it's been historically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quacky Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Well I can't argue against the graph. So would you prefer it was implemented to give constantly increasing transfer fees (and other financial instruments to allow it) rather than the more static system they have used so far. The transfer record growth far exceeds inflation so a continual growth at this rate seems hard to justify even with 100 years of fitting to the trend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, Quacky said: Well I can't argue against the graph. So would you prefer it was implemented to give constantly increasing transfer fees (and other financial instruments to allow it) rather than the more static system they have used so far. The transfer record growth far exceeds inflation so a continual growth at this rate seems hard to justify even with 100 years of fitting to the trend. Personally I'd say no. I don't think putting that in the game really achieves anything other than being confusing - it's not like the dynamics change much if you just make the numbers continually bigger, they just become much harder for us to contextualise as players. In addition, I don't think the pattern will continue forever. The growth has come through one way or another getting more people to watch football for more money. At first that was bigger crowds and rising ticket prices, then radio, domestic TV, commercialisation and most recently international TV. However, we will at some stage reach the point where the market is completely saturated - the vast majority of the world's adult male population and quite a few besides watch football, and they pay as much as they are ever going to be willing or able to to do so. At this stage it's likely the century or more of growth comes to a screeching halt and largely ties in to inflation. I do expect the first £1bn transfer probably in the mid-late 2020s at a guess, but I don't think we'll see a £7bn player in 2040 as such a model would predict. It would therefore be a pretty complicated feature with minimal benefit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 OK, that graph is fascinating, I had no idea that the transfer market was so predictable. I thought it'd be more plateaus and massive spikes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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