Darren77 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, knap said: Like with any tactic you can game manage. Drop both LOE and DL by 1 notch Drop mentality positive balanced Drop mentality Defensive reduce Fwd runs on WBs Add TW WBs defensive/no nonsense FBs untick counter press Those change tactic from attacking to a SUS. Hey, man, I'm new... what is a SUS? Thanks! Sorry, @knap, I saw latest answer just now, I did understand it now, thanks! Edited December 4, 2019 by Darren77 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 hours ago, knap said: Tweaked Northern Soul Looks promising after half of a season! Take that times two and you could have an end of season table. Cant wait for you to upload this one :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM2000 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Is Sympathy v2 still working with the latest update ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 They should all be working. Northern Soul is slightly different because it was an attempt to make WBs pass in the first ME. Therefore these settings may not work as well in 20.2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegosanchez Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I am receiving a lot of yellow cards, is it how its supposed to be? I have 175 yellow cards and 5 red cards in 43 games played, in the league my team has 20 more yellow cards than the second worst discipline team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyDepuydt1 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, diegosanchez said: I am receiving a lot of yellow cards, is it how its supposed to be? I have 175 yellow cards and 5 red cards in 43 games played, in the league my team has 20 more yellow cards than the second worst discipline team. It's because of the "Get stuck in" team instruction and I believe a lot of individual players have "tackle harder" as well. so by default, yes, the tactics will make you have the most yellow cards of all teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maygical Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) FM arena began to test tactics accordingly to patch 20.2 . At the moment they just tested 4-1-3-2 ( p112) it seems that still works but statistics decreased. For example average goals against per match was 1.191 and now average goals against per match is 1.737 ( overall statistic for underdog and top team) that cause average points per match decreased to 1.743 from 2.125. we should also wait for the other test result . Edited December 4, 2019 by Maygical 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaster5000 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 What is the best tactic for underdog team away? Really struggling with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maygical Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, maxmaster5000 said: What is the best tactic for underdog team away? Really struggling with that Wulf 4-1-3-2 (p112) was the best for underdog on patch20.1 , however we should wait to decide for patch 20.2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivoensousa Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 hours ago, knap said: Tweaked Northern Soul Hi there @knap, can you share the tweaked tactic please? 😊 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimborelli Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Having amazing success with Sympathy 4-4-2, screenshots attached. Playing as Manchester United. 1st season - PL winners, Europa League winners (knocked out of League Cup in semis & FA Cup early on) 2nd season - Community Shield & European Super Winners so far. Transfers - screenshots here again, I disable 1st window transfers. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassy Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I'm Spurs and using: FM205WULF4141SPKnapP101ECFACC.fmf League table before Liverpool game: Then this happens: All gone a little bit weird with the new patch as well, since I played today. Struggling to score, but have 10-20 shots on target most games, where the opposition have much less but score very often. Anyone else experiencing this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve dewilde Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 il y a 21 minutes, Jimborelli a dit : Having amazing success with Sympathy 4-4-2, screenshots attached. Playing as Manchester United. 1st season - PL winners, Europa League winners (knocked out of League Cup in semis & FA Cup early on) 2nd season - Community Shield & European Super Winners so far. Transfers - screenshots here again, I disable 1st window transfers. You re on latest patch mate? any tweaks you did on original tactic? cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyDepuydt1 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) @GlassyThe away game at Liverpool was always an odd (bad) result during many of my tests (simulating seasons with different knap tactics) before the patch as well. However, it looks like the AI can score more easily now against these tactics (people's general feedback/ early test results seem to indicate this) Edited December 4, 2019 by DavyDepuydt1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grancher Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) Hi knap did you tried 442Sympathy* after new update feels like need update especially wingers and mezzela Edited December 4, 2019 by Grancher tactic name Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimborelli Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, steve dewilde said: You re on latest patch mate? any tweaks you did on original tactic? cheers Latest patch and no tweaks to the tactic - sometimes I might take "get stuck in" off if I have too many yellows but that's always in game. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve dewilde Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 il y a 5 minutes, Grancher a dit : Hi knap did you tried 442 after new update feels like need update especially wingers and mezzela Indeed same for the 4321 IF are awefull.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grancher Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, steve dewilde said: Indeed same for the 4321 IF are awefull.. I wouldnt say awful its still good but just need little tweaks i guess and passes from center is look like superior but i didnt play much games knap probably figure it out (: Edited December 4, 2019 by Grancher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Im having the best results with Tequila knapLass now. Looks good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
priority76 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Glassy said: All gone a little bit weird with the new patch as well, since I played today. Yes, the new patch is good but has thrown everything out of the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassy Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, DavyDepuydt1 said: @GlassyThe away game at Liverpool was always an odd (bad) result during many of my tests (simulating seasons with different knap tactics) before the patch as well. However, it looks like the AI can score more easily now against these tactics (people's general feedback/ early test results seem to indicate this) Bizarre why this happens so often with these patches. It's incredibly frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stian Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 @knap do you have link to Tweaked Northern Soul? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax_Barcelona_Cruyff Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Grancher said: Hi knap did you tried 442Sympathy* after new update feels like need update especially wingers and mezzela I'm having a very frustrating time with this tactic....Newcastle 7th in Prem so that's not bad on paper. Thing is I am amazing at home (beat City, beat Chelsea, put 4 past Man U) but can't buy a result away from home. Just got tonked 5-0 by Norwich at Carrow Road. Currently midway through season 1. Latest patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) A few test results puts the order as follows WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112) 265 SYMPATHY 442 254 SYMPATHY 4222 SICILIAN DEFENCE 4222 225 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL 2 WULF 4132 GOODBYE 4132 WULF 442 ARGUS 352 208 BLUE MATTER 433 DM 208 BLUE MATTER 433 200 4231 199 WULF 424 I would add TEQUILA SUNRISE to list Edited December 4, 2019 by knap 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 For Away games may need to drop mentality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
polis Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 @knap you change something for 4-1-3-2 in new update 20.2.0? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 Still waiting for FMT to update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
polis Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, knap said: Still waiting for FMT to update oke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 Another option for difficult away games is to use SICILIAN DEFENCE or ARGUS 352 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren77 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, knap said: A few test results puts the order as follows WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112) SYMPATHY 442 SYMPATHY 4222 SICILIAN DEFENCE 4222 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL 2 WULF 4132 GOODBYE 4132 WULF 442 ARGUS 352 BLUE MATTER 433 WULF 424 I would add TEQUILA SUNRISE to list WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112) is still the first one in list in first page? This one, to be clear: RECOMMENDED LIST WULF 4132 WULF P102 (Top Sub top underdog) FM20WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSSFM20P102ECCC.fmf45.22 kB Edited December 4, 2019 by Darren77 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren77 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, knap said: Another option for difficult away games is to use SICILIAN DEFENCE or ARGUS 352 I found that if I untick the offside trap, I concede less trough ball and less goals (I think, but maybe it was just that two games that I played like this) I'm talking about WULF 4132 Edited December 4, 2019 by Darren77 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaster5000 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Darren77 said: I found that if I untick the offside trap, I concede less trough ball and less goals (I think, but maybe it was just that two games that I played like this) I'm talking about WULF 4132 This worked for me aswell (super small 6 games sample size tho and only vs teams that were only little better than me not a lot, but I conceded way less) Edited December 4, 2019 by maxmaster5000 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giraffin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, Darren77 said: I found that if I untick the offside trap, I concede less trough ball and less goals (I think, but maybe it was just that two games that I played like this) I'm talking about WULF 4132 Same for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0nte Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 20 hours ago, 2paff said: I got one A team for league (first picture) and second A bis team for all cups. I switch between them each game to keep everybody happy Do you use any OI? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve dewilde Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Knap any idea if the BLUE MATTER 433 with DM still work in this patch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 All the tactics are working it just appears the AI has improved. The DM is at same level as ARGUS 352 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dersturmer Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Knap On Instant Result Touchline instructions should be set on the assistant or on me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve dewilde Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Indeed Loe DL and mentality should be changed on most tactic, just played Blue Matter with DM balanced ment. lower LOE and DL, won 1-5 away to Crystal Palace (im playing Utd) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) I don't use shouts in testing but they may or may not be of benefit. If you have a good AM they may be of benefit but if he lacks skills perhaps avoid. Edited December 4, 2019 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaster5000 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 hours ago, maxmaster5000 said: This worked for me aswell (super small 6 games sample size tho and only vs teams that were only little better than me not a lot, but I conceded way less) I take back my statement, a bit bigger sample size now with 20 games played and I reverted the change, it isn't as good as on last patch but I don't think taking off off side will fix this. At least not for the Sympathy vol 2 (which is still the best working tactic for me), for the 4 132 I don't see the offside trap worse or better than without so ye. Just wanted to correct my earlier statement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthmael Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I was using !!!!!!!!!!FM19.3.5BEOWULF424IFKnapP108ECCCKINGP101FM20P103 but since the last update had a series of bad games and started tinkering with FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzig and changed it to a 424. Seems to be working really well... Gameshttps://imgur.com/sKPGJyN Tactichttps://imgur.com/81xdNab 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cry havoc Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I've been using 4132 WULF P102 with Arsenal and it's been very successful, for the most part. However, I've found the wingers struggle to perform and I'm unsure what type of players I should be looking to play there. The tactics designation is Defensive Wingers, which are almost non-existent. On top of that, the vast majority of wingers, particularly at the top end, tend to be Inside Forwards or Inverted Wingers which is an issue as, to my understanding at least, the ML/MR positions appear to ask for same-side footed players. Any advice? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Cry havoc said: The tactics designation is Defensive Wingers, which are almost non-existent. On top of that, the vast majority of wingers, particularly at the top end, tend to be Inside Forwards or Inverted Wingers which is an issue as, to my understanding at least, the ML/MR positions appear to ask for same-side footed players. Any advice? Knap should really answer this one. But ive seen him use normal wingers there. Many different types actually. Im guessing that players who can cross, drible, and tackle would do well, as the role is like " pressing winger". They should try to win the ball and defensive stats would help here, when they have it the should go to the byline and cross. So perhaps a complete fullback who can play ml/mr?? At least in my opinion it would be fun to test and see if these types of players did better than normal wingers. For Arsenal Jose Gaya/Alex Telles om ML, And Riccardo Pereira/Koke on the right. Or one could just be Liverpool, they have about the 7 best for theese roles Edited December 5, 2019 by Rober82 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cry havoc Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I hadn't considered trying WBs instead of Wingers, might give that a try in the future. I will say that it's very odd to me that the 4132 tactic has been the strongest in testing, I would have expected tactics that use AMR/L to be a much better fit for most teams and the top end of the database as a whole. Going to try the 4231 next and see how that goes, it certainly looks like a better fit for the Arsenal squad on a new start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, Cry havoc said: I will say that it's very odd to me that the 4132 tactic has been the strongest in testing, I would have expected tactics that use AMR/L to be a much better fit for most teams and the top end of the database as a whole. Its tested better because it concedes less. Scored goals is about the same or less as some others, namely sicillian and sympathy knapzaip vol2. But now i see that the 4222 knapzaip leipzig with two volantes has tested better than the 4132, so im giving this ago. 2 goals less conceded, and 19 (!) more scored over 42 games. Best tactic tested on FMbase right now. So im back with that one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cry havoc Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Like I said, I'll be trying the 4222 next and see how that goes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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anguskhan Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) i have tried all tactics since they updated the patch it none of them work i am having 30+ shots a game and barley scoring 1 in like 4 games my fc are not scoring at all the update seems to of broken all knap tactics for me Edited December 5, 2019 by anguskhan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stian Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 @knap what is best tactic on the new update, is it 4132 ? I like your northern soul tactic (107P), but does it give the same results after the update? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsmaff Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I have found that after a few more games, although the tactics are not performing as well as they did pre-patch. With a couple of tweaks they do perform nearly as well. Home:- I use sympathyforthedevil, with no tweaks and I am still winning the majority of games - However it does not work away. Away:- I use 4141. I play start every game balanced or cautious (depending on media prediction) and set the Defensive Line to standard. I am now performing much better away and drawing/winning majority of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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