Jamieac Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Sicilian is the most solid consistent tactic for me. I'm Sure I can stick with it and get promoted every season with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomer Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jamieac said: Sicilian is the most solid consistent tactic for me. I'm Sure I can stick with it and get promoted every season with it. the 442 or 4222 whatever its called that one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, knap said: Posting the tweak version will be fine, and thank you for asking. But but.. What if someone in your family says no? Then what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Par1s Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) The tactic was tested on holiday and everything was handled by AM. The difference between the two tactics is that the V2 uses IF and the other one uses IW. Skin: FM Nation 4231KnapTweakedByPar1s v 2.fmf4231KnapTweakedByPar1s.fmf Edited December 23, 2019 by Par1s 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamieac Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Nomer said: the 442 or 4222 whatever its called that one? The 4222 DM Version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjcr3529 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Par1s said: The tactic was tested on holiday and everything was handled by AM. The difference between the two tactics is that the V2 uses IF and the other one uses IW. Skin: FM Nation 4231KnapTweakedByPar1s v 2.fmf 44.87 kB · 2 downloads 4231KnapTweakedByPar1s.fmf 44.85 kB · 1 download Do you use OI? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Par1s Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 No OI's. I think if you manage your team the results will be improved a lot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjcr3529 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Par1s said: No OI's. I think if you manage your team the results will be improved a lot. Thanks for that, I am just going to try now with my Southampton team, hit a wall with tactics from the beginning of the season, tried numerous tactics over the last week and none seem to give consistency, fingers crossed on this. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FComniworld Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) @knap regarding the 4-1-4-1 VM or just 4-3-3 formation blue matter, it said either here or elsewhere to get mezzella's with good finishing / long shots, yet when I check the instructions on the position, it states : shoot less, also not shooting whenever possible but work patiently into the box, so Im confused. Was the advice wrong or should / could I tweak it for a bit better results ? Also, is there a tactic working with only 3 defenders ? 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 ? Edited December 23, 2019 by FComniworld Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 Pogba works well with long shots. If you want long shots try Stargazing. Argus 352 or Northern Souls 352 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomer Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jamieac said: The 4222 DM Version does it work well with the latest patch version and stuff? if so on which page is it? or hell the download link lol been struggling too much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimusprimal82 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, FComniworld said: @knap regarding the 4-1-4-1 VM or just 4-3-3 formation blue matter, it said either here or elsewhere to get mezzella's with good finishing / long shots, yet when I check the instructions on the position, it states : shoot less, also not shooting whenever possible but work patiently into the box, so Im confused. Was the advice wrong or should / could I tweak it for a bit better results ? Also, is there a tactic working with only 3 defenders ? 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 ? Remember those settings just mean “do X less often” (in this case; shooting)... the mezzala’s default behaviour is still to shoot more often than say... a BWM (this is based on observation, not knowledge of underlying code)? So they should still fire a thunderb*****d or two (or ten if you have a Pogba) Without any visual indication (which like them or loathe them, the sliders used to give) this can be hard to see, but likely without those modifiers set, the mezzala (my favourite fm role whilst we’re on the subject) shoots juuuust a little too often and those modifiers ‘redress the balance’ rather than neuter the players natural game etc. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 Oh for the return of sliders, much easier to see what was going on. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 @knapI'm trying out your new 442 lower DL. Would it matter much if I changed the right side IW to a W? Because my player there on right mid is right footed, and the tooltip for IW says it's better with left foot on right side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilyes92300 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Par1s said: I have tweak a 442 knap’s tactic into 4231 for the latest patch. Just now I’m running a holiday test with BVB. On my 3rd season with FC Barcelona the same tactic running amazing. Skin plz ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimusprimal82 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 8 hours ago, DarkAxe said: Squad training and building is a breeze. I'm identifying weaknesses, filling the gaps, bringing in talent... and giving them games so that they gel. I managed to squeeze 16 friendlies in for Leipzig (won 14, lost 2), but as soon as the season starts its yellows and reds all over the show and like they've never met each other. My Wednesday team, after I got them promoted, struggled in mid-table for four years. Now I'm not expecting to turn them into Liverpool or Man City, but there was next to no progress. Even after building up a healthy transfer kitty and buying better quality players, the results were still very hit and miss. A Carabao Cup game against Crewe - played a strong side, dominated the match, 30 shots, 15 on target - Crewe had 0 shots and won on pens. We've all had bad beats over the years but no matter how strong my side is or how weak the opponents are, it's still a coin toss whether I get any kind of result. I broke the Prem season record for discipline in January! Full-backs will get booked every game. Opposing goalkeepers with ratings of 6.5 or worse will suddenly turn into world beaters against me. I usually have to average 5/6 shots on target to score and then their donkey CD will knock a 70 yard pass into space for a 93rd minute winner. I know I sound bitter and there probably is a solution or two out there, but I'm really getting to the point where it's hard to care any more. It's just not enjoyable to play because EVERY match contains some unrealistic nonsense. It’s all good - I have no problem with anyone being bitter/grumpy or having a vent, as i said earlier, most of us have been in the situation before so know that general ‘feeling cocktail’ of anger/despair/frustration/hopelessness; you just want to play the game you bought & have fun - getting continually stuffed by things you seemingly can’t directly control is the opposite of that! I know when you’re in that mindset that people suggesting things can be more frustrating than helpful but i’ll make a couple of quick suggests that you can take, leave or even come back to at a later date (when the desire to throw the pc out of the window dissipates!); I haven’t looked over Knap’s (awesome) tactics too much this year so far but suspect pressing is set to very high (because it crunches the ME); strongly suspect that’s where a lot of your pain with discipline is coming from - be wary of making changes to a proven winning tactic, but you can try tweaking the pressing down a notch and changing particular players tackling settings down too etc. I tend to do this when im winning anyway as a habit from FM19 as the players were stupidly good from free kicks so it was suicide to concede them. You can even save variants of your tactic so you’ve got an ‘original - full press’ version and a ‘be nice’ alternative. Before the game (& this is micro-managey & i’ve made a feature request) take a look at the ref you’re told is handling the game; it seems there are always a few ‘deliberate asshats’ in the league so you can actually start to predict the games where you’ll get one of those stupid 2 minute red card decisions; there’s no foolproof counter, but playing your ‘be nice’ variant and avoiding any hotheads (check player personalities when buying etc) can certainly help. Other things I could suggest you come back to are all written in the ‘mentality masterplan’ thread; someone has linked it a few posts back so ill not link it again, but it covers off some of the basics we all take for granted & goes into detail about how to react in-game to some of the BS. Might be too much micro-management - hey, we all play the game differently - but it’s a starting point/suggestion to at least try and help you find the ‘FM love’ again (FM07 became one of my favourites in the end for example, despite bouncing off & HATING it at first) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law_Man Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 18 hours ago, Rober82 said: Mr L is up and running. Two tactics tested already. Knap can you ask M L to test the following tactic. Ive been using it and it seems very good. https://fm-base.co.uk/resources/mass-attack-imperator-by-ad1990.46/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 Tactic selection testing has nothing to do with me. It is probably not the best idea to post other tactics in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Par1s Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, ilyes92300 said: Skin plz ? FM Nation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmastrich Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 9 hours ago, jdubsnz said: this has been my experience so far of FM20. Pretty joyless. Its a game, its supposed to be fun! amen brother! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
radetzky Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 @knap Do you agree with fmbase testing? Is Sicilian difence the best overall tactic? By the way i dont understand which version of sympathy for the devil is sitting at the second spot. The name is cut and the link brings to 2 versions of the same tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, radetzky said: By the way i dont understand which version of sympathy for the devil is sitting at the second spot. The name is cut and the link brings to 2 versions of the same tactic I think its the knapzaip tweak. 4222. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 If you hover over name now the full name will be shown. It is the original 4222 tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knap fan Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 I have got 2 red cards over the last 2 important games using wulf 4132 and wulf 4141 with no tweaks. Does something wrong with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) Optimus has recently mentioned about checking referee before game. I think the worst I've had was Mata going on as a sub and immediately sent off and a red recently after about 20 secs. The tactics are aggressive and it happens but certainly from testing not the worst in league. Edited December 23, 2019 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vauxine Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) Using FM20.2.3BEOWULF4231KnapP51 was unlucky vs Man City Edited December 23, 2019 by vauxine 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomer Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, vauxine said: Using FM20.2.3BEOWULF4231KnapP51 was unlucky vs Man City in which page is the download link? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vauxine Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, Nomer said: in which page is the download link? FM20.2.3BEOWULF4231KnapP51.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 Par1s tweak 4231 FM20.2.34231KnapPar1s ParisienneWaalkwaysvP101FA.fmf 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan6one Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 First game using FM20.2.3BEOWULF4411P97.... Great start! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlo Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 15 hours ago, Karlo said: Are there going to be screenshots added at the testing results @ https://mrltactics.com/ ? @knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
15214336646 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) I was told Sicilian is a solid,defensive,good tactic for underdog. but actually its not. with saints or vela,just can't win. lost by 0-3,3-6,1-4 etc defense is a joke. apologize for my rude comments. I really thank creators like knap. just mad at the game and myself, Edited December 24, 2019 by 15214336646 apologize Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 24 minutes ago, 15214336646 said: I was told Sicilian is a solid,defensive,good tactic for underdog. but actually its not. with saints or vela,just can't win. lost by 0-3,3-6,1-4 etc defense is a joke. So you just made this account on saturday, to come in and attack creators? How interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickZombie Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 It's rather pathetic isn't it. A community of people who just want to enjoy a game and we have people like our 3 day old friend trying to soar it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
15214336646 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, mcswifty said: So you just made this account on saturday, to come in and attack creators? How interesting. attack creators? I didn't mean that,I m not so good at english,maybe made some wrong meaning here. Im sorry. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimusprimal82 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, 15214336646 said: attack creators? I didn't mean that,I m not so good at english,maybe made some wrong meaning here. Im sorry. It’s ok, it reads a little harshly but no-one’s going to hold it against you, especially if not your first language etc. Maybe tell us ‘why’ it’s bad & we can maybe help you more/point you in a different direction? You’re conceding a lot of goals it seems, but perhaps attack is the best form of defense? Are you playing as Scunthorpe in the EPL in which case maybe you’re asking too much from a tactic etc...? Fwiw; on 19, sicilian helped my FC United team DESTROY teams like Man City, but it struggled massively against teams we were on similar(ish) terms with... Its all relative? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamieac Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 13 hours ago, Nomer said: does it work well with the latest patch version and stuff? if so on which page is it? or hell the download link lol been struggling too much Flying on the new patch. It's on the first page in the opening post. FM20.2 SICILIAN P101 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Par1s Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I know is FC Barcelona, I know I have good players but still is a 4231 formation. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR#7 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 8 hours ago, juan6one said: First game using FM20.2.3BEOWULF4411P97.... Great start! Download link? Can’t find tnx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filer974 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I am testing Fm20.2.3BEOWULF4231KnapP51 with manchester city. Only victories in friendly matches and victory in the Community Shield against Liverpool 1a0. I'm already happy because beating Liverpool in this game is a feat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dersturmer Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I don 't understand, 20.2.3 changed ME? In FM Touch Beowulf 4-4-2 works perfectly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dersturmer Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 100% results have become better! It 's autosave season two for an outsider. Only 1 defeat after early sent off. After defeat i set 4-1-4-1, work perfectly. All matches on Instant Result. Before patch 20.2.3, there were no such good results on this stretch. Use 4-4-2 t 4-1-4-1 against strong teams. FM20.2BEOWULF442WAFKnapP107ALLCUPS.fmf FM205WULF4141SPKnapP101ECFACC.fmf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 This is IW 4231 version tweak by Paris FM20.2.3KnapPar1s ParisienneWaalkways4231IWP97.fmf 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esca Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 You prefer the original or IW knap? Which more effective? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Par1s Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I believe that for top team it’s the same. Maybe it’s slightly better with IW version. For a subtop/underdog I believe it’s better the IF version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 We will see how testing goes but my 4231 was pants for an underdog with MR L. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dersturmer Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 - 4-1-4-1 2-Beowulf 4-4-2 In my opinion 4-4-2 it is rather autonomous and it can be used against strong teams. Game in defense no worse than 4-1-4-1, game in attack better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAE82 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Have you tried dropping the MC's to DMC and AMC to MC in a 4231? I won the league unbeaten (29 win/9 draws/96 points) with Utd with a fairly basic setup (not many team/individual instructions) and not many signings (Ajer/Haaland/Luis). However, I had to manage every game on full/comprehensive and micro-manage. Was a mixture of sitting deep and hitting on the counter and the all-out high-line, high-pressing Gegenpressing. Didn't trust instant result on FMT. The 'deep' 4231 was very solid (16 goals) but not that creative (75). I'm sure with some Knap 'magic' - player/team instructions etc. it could be much improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 Nail on head regarding DL, and managing DL is best option atm. I do have a 4231 DM, but not with AMC at MC FM20.2BEOWULF4231DMKnap.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomA1996! Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Par1s said: I know is FC Barcelona, I know I have good players but still is a 4231 formation. @Par1s Changed to your tweak of Knap’s 4231 and works wonders! With this current setup are you using IF or IW? As I’m using IF at the moment.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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